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Posted: 4/22/2014 7:27:23 PM EDT
No doubt some of you here have seen Magpul's latest announcement; the open-source, modular attachment system known as M-Lok
Now before anyone accuses me of being a "hater", let me explain... I'm a huge Magpul fan, but I see all these new-fangled picatinny replacement attempts and all I can do is shake my head... If two or more companies release open-source mounting systems, all we are going to end up with is a never ending format war. Only unlike 8-track vs. Cassette and HD DVD vs. Blu-ray on the (disposable and frequently obsolete) electronics market, the firearms market is made up of "consumer durables". Hand guards on rifles aren't fragile articles of silicon and solder, they are expensive, highly complicated pieces of machinery. People hold on to what they're used to, even if there is some "new standard". I don't see anyone "winning" this format war by making the other guy obsolete. Coupled with the fact that gun owners just don't let go of proven technology, this leads me to believe that there will be no clear winner in this. No "new standard" will emerge. In the end you'll just have "mil spec" and "proprietary" hand guards and attachment systems. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly eat my words. Now, with all that said, I have to say, I love the mounting system on my PredatOBR. I wish I could use the same system across all my weapons. So, I'll say it for a second time: Mark, we need the Stealth HandguARd! For those of you new to the party, this came out of a collection of repeated requests for a hand guard that mounted like LaRue's Stealth Handguard, but had the threaded mounting points like the OBR/tOBR/tAR handguards. These pictures are some photoshopped attempts by me to create a mock up, but they slipped into archive status because I got lazy. I seriously doubt that there will be a system that replaces the picatinny rail anytime soon, but the system in place on the OBR family is definitely an improvement. I think that these handguards would find a place in the market with people who want the rock solid dependability of the picatinny system, with the option to go fast and light. |
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I already did. However I have other ARs that I would like this hand guard on. I can't be the only one View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Buy a PredatAR... I already did. However I have other ARs that I would like this hand guard on. I can't be the only one Good luck! |
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Is that...?
....is that little pin-hole of light at the end of the tunnel? |
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View Quote I like it. Mainly because I like the PredatAR and Geissele's similar design. |
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Looks like those little slots between the threaded holes might lend themselves to a M-Lok slot. Two birds, one stone?
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Looks like those little slots between the threaded holes might lend themselves to a M-Lok slot. Two birds, one stone? View Quote I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the "rails" that the threaded points are mounted to would be too thin for M-Lok points. Besides, I'm a fan of the OBR/tAR system because it uses picatinny sections (i.e. it doesn't pull some new, under utilized mounting system out of it's ass). That gives me a whole lot more confidence than a captured nut and screw set in plastic, or something that interfaces like garage shelving. I realize that M-Lok can be used on aluminum rails (ala Geissele). I just think that it's creating some new attachment system that's not needed. If you want to take the weight off a picatinny rail, just use a system like the LaRue. You maintain compatibility with all your picatinny accessories (lights, bipods, etc) and the attachment system for the modular sections of rail stays simple. Not every manufacturer is going to make their accessories with KeyMod/M-Lok/Lego compatibility. However, they all make them with picatinny compatibility. I think the onus is on the rail system to accommodate the the picatinny mount, not the other way around. That's why we need the Stealth HandguARd. Boiler plate disclaimer: If it works for you, use it. At no point have I stated that KeyMod/M-Lok is bad, just that it's over complicated in terms of components/mounting options. |
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Seems to me these new rails designs are more about saving money in manufacturing (and material perhaps?) and retail selling price than anything else.
Cheaper and easier to produce these new rail types and small sections of modular rail, than full piccatiny rail hand-guards. Otherwise, do we need a new system? -probably not. A.W.D. |
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Seems to me these new rails designs are more about saving money in manufacturing (and material perhaps?) and retail selling price than anything else. Cheaper and easier to produce these new rail types and small sections of modular rail, than full piccatiny rail hand-guards. Otherwise, do we need a new system? -probably not. A.W.D. View Quote ..and yes, I know. I still want one anyway. :) |
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I've been waiting a few years for that rail to come along, surprised it hasn't come up sooner or Mark hasn't had any prototypes for new rails on the stealth. I originally purchased my Stealth upper/lower for bench shooting it has become my full time predator hunting rifle and I've debated swapping out the rail many times as each new hunting season approaches for something sleeker/lighter. Kept the quad rail for now because I don't think anything can compete with it performance wise.
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If given the option of a LaRue rail that uses the same interface with the upper receiver as their current offerings but with the M-Lok system instead of full picatinny rails I would choose that option.
And then I would need a host of LaRue mounts in M-Lok fashion to add all my non optic accessories to the new rails, etc. |
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If given the option of a LaRue rail that uses the same interface with the upper receiver as their current offerings but with the M-Lok system instead of full picatinny rails I would choose that option. And then I would need a host of LaRue mounts in M-Lok fashion to add all my non optic accessories to the new rails, etc. View Quote Nah... Still want the other handguards to match the OBR/tAR |
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I've been waiting for this for years. IMO LT is the best quad rail out there and I'd love to see what they do with a modular design.
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Even if these hand guards were a low priority, having them as a possibility would be awesome
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The Magpul booth was our 1st stop this morning at the NRA Show.
Got a pretty good rundown on this. It's a damn nice system, and said they already have 26 manufacturers on board. He rattled off the names of several well known companies, Geissele and Noveske among them, so of course, I asked about LT. I think we're gonna be happy fellas. |
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I've nothing to add to this thread aside from a subscription.
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The Magpul booth was our 1st stop this morning at the NRA Show. Got a pretty good rundown on this. It's a damn nice system, and said they already have 26 manufacturers on board. He rattled off the names of several well known companies, Geissele and Noveske among them, so of course, I asked about LT. I think we're gonna be happy fellas. View Quote Oh... come on! You gotta give us more to go on than that! |
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I'd be in for 11" but would rather have a continuous upper rail, more like predatar but obviously they would have to alter how it attaches to barrel nut
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If given the option of a LaRue rail that uses the same interface with the upper receiver as their current offerings but with the M-Lok system instead of full picatinny rails I would choose that option. And then I would need a host of LaRue mounts in M-Lok fashion to add all my non optic accessories to the new rails, etc. View Quote Yes. I have LaRue rails (a 10" and an 11") on both my rifles, and would love it if LaRue would come up with a 'slim' option that uses the same interface as their current system. Off comes the railed tube. On goes the slim modular tube. I'll buy two the first day they're available. |
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Yes. I have LaRue rails (a 10" and an 11") on both my rifles, and would love it if LaRue would come up with a 'slim' option that uses the same interface as their current system. Off comes the railed tube. On goes the slim modular tube. I'll buy two the first day they're available. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If given the option of a LaRue rail that uses the same interface with the upper receiver as their current offerings but with the M-Lok system instead of full picatinny rails I would choose that option. And then I would need a host of LaRue mounts in M-Lok fashion to add all my non optic accessories to the new rails, etc. Yes. I have LaRue rails (a 10" and an 11") on both my rifles, and would love it if LaRue would come up with a 'slim' option that uses the same interface as their current system. Off comes the railed tube. On goes the slim modular tube. I'll buy two the first day they're available. This |
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A bit off point, but does anyone see a slight movement or shift of the Larue handguard? I have a couple mounted on Larue stealth receivers and I get maybe an 1/16th of an inch movement back and forth. I have everything cranked down. It seems to be the gap in the crescent shaped part where it meets the receiver. I would imagine the design needs to leave a bit of room to fit other manufacturers receivers...... I need a shim of some kind to keep from moving. Anyone else have this condition? Any suggestions?
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Sounds like a loose barrel nut.
But someone else will likely be along who has experience with these. |
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A bit off point, but does anyone see a slight movement or shift of the Larue handguard? I have a couple mounted on Larue stealth receivers and I get maybe an 1/16th of an inch movement back and forth. I have everything cranked down. It seems to be the gap in the crescent shaped part where it meets the receiver. I would imagine the design needs to leave a bit of room to fit other manufacturers receivers...... I need a shim of some kind to keep from moving. Anyone else have this condition? Any suggestions? thanks View Quote No, that's not a bit off point. That's waaaay off point. Go start a new thread instead of burying your question in an unrelated thread. On your issue, I've never seen something like you are describing. Seriously, i wouldn't even know how the handguards could move like that unless they were installed improperly. |
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i would love to have some matching handguARds on my home built rigs to match the larue rifles they sit next too.
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Same here. Larue has had the same rails out there at least since 07 (I think thats when I bought my first rail from them) without an update. I think this would be awesome. However with the backlog they have with rifles I doubt they would take on the task.
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So, "two weeks"?
Happy Independence Day! May God Bless America! |
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They'd certainly sell more GAPs, handstops, rail sections, and QD sling mounts
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