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Posted: 3/27/2012 10:53:52 AM
Anybody got pictures of it in action?

This thread is useless without pics....
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Posted: 3/27/2012 12:13:32 PM
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Is this what you're referring to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s2AR7g1M6I

Edit: Freddie is the last shooter in this video
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Posted: 3/27/2012 12:25:12 PM
Damn he ran that gun fast.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 2:48:07 PM
Nice!
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Posted: 3/27/2012 6:09:43 PM
Good video. Nice training tip of pulling magazine out of the well.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 6:19:10 PM
Damn good shootin Freddie!
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Posted: 3/27/2012 6:44:40 PM
Originally Posted By Randall_1611:
Good video. Nice training tip of pulling magazine out of the well.


Yeah, I'm kind of curious the benefit of using the hand you need to be grabbing the magazine with to rip out a magazine that would drop free anyway.

Anyone know if Freddie's Swarovski was set to 1 power or 6? Out-shooting a 4 MOA red dot with $2000 in glass isn't that hard.

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Posted: 3/27/2012 7:00:37 PM
Originally Posted By Clint-M:
Originally Posted By Randall_1611:
Good video. Nice training tip of pulling magazine out of the well.


Yeah, I'm kind of curious the benefit of using the hand you need to be grabbing the magazine with to rip out a magazine that would drop free anyway.

Anyone know if Freddie's Swarovski was set to 1 power or 6? Out-shooting a 4 MOA red dot with $2000 in glass isn't that hard.

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It's a good habit to have, pulling the mag from the magwell. They always drop free......until they don't. When you pull it, you also control where it falls and/or be able to stow it.

Same mentality behind racking the CH again, insures that a round is chambered.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 7:15:33 PM
i think that's a predatar and not a predatobr, right? the barrel leading up to the brake gets thicker.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 8:26:07 PM
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Originally Posted By Xenny:
i think that's a predatar and not a predatobr, right? the barrel leading up to the brake gets thicker.


I agree it is a Predatar in 7.62
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Posted: 3/27/2012 8:29:12 PM
Originally Posted By coregon:
Originally Posted By Clint-M:
Originally Posted By Randall_1611:
Good video. Nice training tip of pulling magazine out of the well.


Yeah, I'm kind of curious the benefit of using the hand you need to be grabbing the magazine with to rip out a magazine that would drop free anyway.

Anyone know if Freddie's Swarovski was set to 1 power or 6? Out-shooting a 4 MOA red dot with $2000 in glass isn't that hard.

CM


It's a good habit to have, pulling the mag from the magwell. They always drop free......until they don't. When you pull it, you also control where it falls and/or be able to stow it.

Same mentality behind racking the CH again, insures that a round is chambered.


Can't knock it out the small percentage of time they don't? I'm sure it's a sound training phylosify but if speed is what you're going for you're handicapping yourself by adding extra steps unnecessarily. if you have a history of mags sticking you can easily modify your mags, gun, or turn the gun and sling the magazine out and give yourself a better line of sight on the magwell for your reloads. You can clearly see several people struggling to insert quickly with the magwell hidden that would benefit from this or something similar. Note: I'm just going from personal experience as there is no correct way to do any of this.

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Posted: 3/27/2012 9:05:58 PM
Yep, that is a PredatAR in the first video. Paul Gardner has put another video up on the Trident Concepts facebook page of Freddie doing the same drill with a PredatOBR.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 9:14:56 PM
Originally Posted By Clint-M:
Originally Posted By coregon:
Originally Posted By Clint-M:
Originally Posted By Randall_1611:
Good video. Nice training tip of pulling magazine out of the well.


Yeah, I'm kind of curious the benefit of using the hand you need to be grabbing the magazine with to rip out a magazine that would drop free anyway.

Anyone know if Freddie's Swarovski was set to 1 power or 6? Out-shooting a 4 MOA red dot with $2000 in glass isn't that hard.

CM


It's a good habit to have, pulling the mag from the magwell. They always drop free......until they don't. When you pull it, you also control where it falls and/or be able to stow it.

Same mentality behind racking the CH again, insures that a round is chambered.


Can't knock it out the small percentage of time they don't? I'm sure it's a sound training phylosify but if speed is what you're going for you're handicapping yourself by adding extra steps unnecessarily. if you have a history of mags sticking you can easily modify your mags, gun, or turn the gun and sling the magazine out and give yourself a better line of sight on the magwell for your reloads. You can clearly see several people struggling to insert quickly with the magwell hidden that would benefit from this or something similar. Note: I'm just going from personal experience as there is no correct way to do any of this.

CM



I'm not gonna start doing it, because coyotes, hogs, and steel don't shoot back....nor do I let my rifles get all sandy and gritty - unless I'm at the Larue Multigun and the BBQ is worth it.

However, if I were going to a 'stan, I would probably incorporate that into my routine for a reload. Pulling a stuck/dirty/muddy mag out of the magwell after you've already retrieved a fresh mag and your hand is full would be even more time consuming than the quick pull and drop on the way to a fresh mag. Guys who were used to it would do it more quickly than the folks in the video, too. I don't know what the guys over there do, but I'd be surprised if they just drop mags during an engagement unless they are REALLY in a hurry....so pulling and dump-pouching it would probably be second-nature anyway?

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Posted: 3/27/2012 9:33:57 PM
Originally Posted By nineisfine:
Yep, that is a PredatAR in the first video. Paul Gardner has put another video up on the Trident Concepts facebook page of Freddie doing the same drill with a PredatOBR.


Link?
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Posted: 3/27/2012 9:52:21 PM
Originally Posted By nineisfine:
Yep, that is a PredatAR in the first video. Paul Gardner has put another video up on the Trident Concepts facebook page of Freddie doing the same drill with a PredatOBR.


Just watched the video. Good shit. I need to get me a PredetOBR
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Posted: 3/27/2012 10:04:20 PM
You need to get me a tour...

I've met Fred Blish a few times. Nice guy.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 10:42:39 PM
Originally Posted By smithc6:
Originally Posted By nineisfine:
Yep, that is a PredatAR in the first video. Paul Gardner has put another video up on the Trident Concepts facebook page of Freddie doing the same drill with a PredatOBR.


Link?


I tried, but it's just posted to Facebook, not YouTube, as far as I can tell.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 11:10:02 PM
Originally Posted By nineisfine:
Originally Posted By smithc6:
Originally Posted By nineisfine:
Yep, that is a PredatAR in the first video. Paul Gardner has put another video up on the Trident Concepts facebook page of Freddie doing the same drill with a PredatOBR.


Link?


I tried, but it's just posted to Facebook, not YouTube, as far as I can tell.


Yeah I found it thanks. Thats a nice setup. Im excited...
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Posted: 3/28/2012 12:53:26 AM
That's not a PredatOBR. It's the 14.5" Ranger Rifle.

The ranger rifle uses a different smaller profile barrel, whereas the PredatOBR 14.5 uses the OBR profile barrel.
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Posted: 3/28/2012 9:27:30 AM
So...basically a 14.5 heavy PredatAR?
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Posted: 3/29/2012 9:17:31 AM
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Freddie ran the whole Combative Carbine 2 course last year with his optic at 1x.

He let people in the course run the rifle (awesome) and optic. I plan on eventualy getting that same rifle and optic combo or adding that Z6i to our PredatAR.

For 50 yards and in freddie ran the optic at 1x as it is totaly clear and easy to aquire

I tried the 6x magnification at 50 and it was very hard to aquire the target quickly - which he said it would be.

I think that 1x6 Z6i is awesome and a great optic to use from in close out to 500 yards

That same optic was run this last weekend in Jeff's Midrange Marksmanship course and performed fantastic

Forgot to add that Freddie was the only guy in both courses running a 7.62 LaRue and he is wickedly accurate and fast.
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Posted: 3/29/2012 9:43:18 AM
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I tried to attach 2 photos of Freedie from last years class but could not get the photos to work.

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Posted: 3/29/2012 10:25:50 AM
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I tried to attach 2 photos of Freedie from last years class but could not get the photos to work.



Email them to me ill post them for ya....

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That video was taken in November 2011 at the Trident Concepts Carbine Course 2. I was using, testing, and evaluating the Swarovski Z6i with BRT reticle and ran it on 1X the whole time. It was slightly slower than an Aimpoint Micro T-1 0-50M, but I have thousands of rounds and repetitions on Aimpoint sights. I was using a LaRue Tactical 16" 7.62 PredatAR with Surefire Muzzle Brake. I am not a fan of muzzle brakes but it was a company rifle and ran what I had. I have shot 7.62 PredatARs with standard A2 flash hiders and the brake helps some, but if using a proper stance etc. the recoil reduction is negligible. You can be a little sloppy with your stance etc. with 5.56, but you can not be sloppy with a 7.62. You can run a 7.62 LaRue Tactical PredatAR and PredatOBR almost as fast as a 5.56 carbine, but you have to man up and bring your "A" game. If you allow yourself to get a little sloppy your shot placement will reflect it.

The Modified Navy Qual for the TRICON Carbine and EAG Tactical Carbine courses is shot five rounds standing, reload, five rounds kneeling, reload, five rounds prone with a time limit of 25 seconds. Scoring is fairly simple. Everyone starts with a "0" (the lower your score the better). For every miss out side of the 8" circle it is +5 points (rounds touching the circle count as a miss). Misses off the human silhouette target is an automatic DQ. Every second over the 25 second par time is +2 points. Every second under the par time is -1 point. Theoretically you could shoot a negative score, but you better bring your "A" game. A qualifying score is any thing under 40. Marksman 26-40. Sharpshooter 10-25. Expert 0-9. Anyone scoring a 9 or less is a hard mofo.

I recently took the Trident Concept Mid-Range Marksmanship course with a 14.5" 7.62 PredatOBR and a Leupold CQBSS, as well as an Aimpoint Micro T-1. The Micro T-1 4 MOA and Leupold CQBSS allowed me to shoot just as accurately at 100 and 200 meters, the 7.62 carbine shot sub-MOA with XM118LR and ASYM Precision 168gr ammo. It may surprise some people that you can shoot sub-MOA with an Aimpoint Micro T-1 4 MOA, but "optics don't help you shoot better they only help you see better." (LtCol Jeff Cooper, USMC). Accuracy is a product of the rifle, ammo, and shooter. I do not profess to be a precision rifle shooter, but the 7.62 PredatOBR and ammo combo were performing very well. I was able to shoot a 1 1/4" three shot group at 500M with the Leupold CQBSS and XM118LR. Morebadhabits_tx shot beside me with a 16" 5.56 OBR with 4X ACOG and 77gr ASYM Precision ammo. He shot sub-MOA groups all the way to 500M. His groups were simply unbelievable at 100, 200, 300, 400, and 500M. As he runs an Aimpoint Micro T-1 on his other 5.56 carbines, he noted that inside of 200M the ACOG was slower, but really performed 200M-500M.

I wanted to run a Swarovski Z6i, but didn't have one to test again for the class. Because I used LaRue Tactical mounts, of course, I switched from Micro T-1 to Leupold CQBSS frequently. Often switching between optics during slow fire accuracy drills. Five round groups with one, switch, five round group with the other on a separate scoring area in order to compare the results. Basically the Aimpoint rocks 0-200M and is okay from 200-300M. The CQBSS was great 200M-500+M and worked okay 100M and in, but was definitely slower than an Aimpoint. I shot the Mod Navy Qual in the MRM class with the LaRue Tactical 14.5" 7.62 PredatOBR version that was built for the Texas Rangers.

The MNQ for the MRM is shot as follows: 5 rounds standing at a TRICON target 50M away, reload, five rounds kneeling at a TRICON target 100M away, reload, five rounds prone at a TRICON target 200M away. Par time is 45 seconds. Scoring system is the same as described previously. Because I wasn't able to "monopod" the magazine (20 rnd 7.62 mags are just too short) during prone, which I like to do as that is where I pick up speed and make time. In the carbine course I was able to shoot on my elbows because it is only 50 yards, but I just wasn't steady enough at 200 to shoot accurately at speed. So, I used a Harris BRMS Bi-Pod with LT706 mount for the prone. While it add a few more ounces, it didn't hinder my off hand shooting, but definitely didn't help at the kneeling, however it really helped in prone. I was able to shoot the MRM MNQ in 44 seconds.

Hope this explains things more clearly.

DPMMN - Thanks for your kind compliment. See what happens when they let us old retired Marines shoot the Navy quals?

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Posted: 3/29/2012 6:16:05 PM
fjb, the man has spoken! Thanks for posting. Really good information to have directly from the source.
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