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Posted: 2/20/2012 11:16:42 PM
Originally Posted By 33shooter:
Originally Posted By coconut1:
Originally Posted By 33shooter:
I went through this over the last week also. I had a great Leupold black ring Vari-X III that I planned on using until a friend offered me something I couldn't refuse. I have never been a precision guy, and don't have the scratch to buy a awesome scope from US Optics, Night Force, Premier, S&B etc. But I wanted something to get me going so I can save up for one of those. I decided that I wanted to start a little cheaper to figure out what my needs and wants were, but also wanted a power range that would lend itself well to distances up close, and far away. This would allow me to shoot precision out to about 1k, and be able to hunt up close. I decided on a Weaver Tactical. I figure for the price, I could try it and figure out what I want to replace it with and what features I find more important. For $750 I got 3-15x50mm FFP EDMR (reticule) Locking turrets, illuminated, side focus, 30mm tube, mil/mil. I was looking at the SS HD 5-20, Leupold MK4 4.5-14x50 ffp, Vortex 4.5-16x50 ffp, and a few others. But I decided on the Weaver because it seemed to have the magnification range I preferred the most at a price cheaper than the rest. The scope I really want is a USO, so I figure this will get me going until I can afford a SN-3. Optics selection seems to be the most subjective part about a rifle. There are so many to choose from, both quality and not, that it can all be dizzying. Based on my style of shooting, budget, and needs I came to the conclusion of what I wanted. Now, once I get some experience with it and i decide what I like an don't, I'll "upgrade" from there. Good luck. one day, we are actually going to get to hit ARC together. I have your second mag finished and promise to get it back to you this week. Sorry for the delay. Ha! I'm in no hurry, I still don't have anything to put it in. Once I get my OBR we'll get there. Good stuff coming soon man, I'll fill you in later. Keep me up to date. I will be back on patrol next shift change. You going to start shooting Tac Heavy? I am going to buy a Nova and nordic the bastard out next month. I have finally made a shotgun decision. |
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Posted: 2/21/2012 1:56:03 AM
Originally Posted By coconut1:
Originally Posted By 33shooter:
Originally Posted By coconut1:
Originally Posted By 33shooter:
I went through this over the last week also. I had a great Leupold black ring Vari-X III that I planned on using until a friend offered me something I couldn't refuse. I have never been a precision guy, and don't have the scratch to buy a awesome scope from US Optics, Night Force, Premier, S&B etc. But I wanted something to get me going so I can save up for one of those. I decided that I wanted to start a little cheaper to figure out what my needs and wants were, but also wanted a power range that would lend itself well to distances up close, and far away. This would allow me to shoot precision out to about 1k, and be able to hunt up close. I decided on a Weaver Tactical. I figure for the price, I could try it and figure out what I want to replace it with and what features I find more important. For $750 I got 3-15x50mm FFP EDMR (reticule) Locking turrets, illuminated, side focus, 30mm tube, mil/mil. I was looking at the SS HD 5-20, Leupold MK4 4.5-14x50 ffp, Vortex 4.5-16x50 ffp, and a few others. But I decided on the Weaver because it seemed to have the magnification range I preferred the most at a price cheaper than the rest. The scope I really want is a USO, so I figure this will get me going until I can afford a SN-3. Optics selection seems to be the most subjective part about a rifle. There are so many to choose from, both quality and not, that it can all be dizzying. Based on my style of shooting, budget, and needs I came to the conclusion of what I wanted. Now, once I get some experience with it and i decide what I like an don't, I'll "upgrade" from there. Good luck. one day, we are actually going to get to hit ARC together. I have your second mag finished and promise to get it back to you this week. Sorry for the delay. Ha! I'm in no hurry, I still don't have anything to put it in. Once I get my OBR we'll get there. Good stuff coming soon man, I'll fill you in later. Keep me up to date. I will be back on patrol next shift change. You going to start shooting Tac Heavy? I am going to buy a Nova and nordic the bastard out next month. I have finally made a shotgun decision. Should get an FN instead |
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Posted: 2/21/2012 11:45:17 AM
Originally Posted By 33shooter:
Originally Posted By coconut1:
Originally Posted By 33shooter:
Originally Posted By coconut1:
Originally Posted By 33shooter:
I went through this over the last week also. I had a great Leupold black ring Vari-X III that I planned on using until a friend offered me something I couldn't refuse. I have never been a precision guy, and don't have the scratch to buy a awesome scope from US Optics, Night Force, Premier, S&B etc. But I wanted something to get me going so I can save up for one of those. I decided that I wanted to start a little cheaper to figure out what my needs and wants were, but also wanted a power range that would lend itself well to distances up close, and far away. This would allow me to shoot precision out to about 1k, and be able to hunt up close. I decided on a Weaver Tactical. I figure for the price, I could try it and figure out what I want to replace it with and what features I find more important. For $750 I got 3-15x50mm FFP EDMR (reticule) Locking turrets, illuminated, side focus, 30mm tube, mil/mil. I was looking at the SS HD 5-20, Leupold MK4 4.5-14x50 ffp, Vortex 4.5-16x50 ffp, and a few others. But I decided on the Weaver because it seemed to have the magnification range I preferred the most at a price cheaper than the rest. The scope I really want is a USO, so I figure this will get me going until I can afford a SN-3. Optics selection seems to be the most subjective part about a rifle. There are so many to choose from, both quality and not, that it can all be dizzying. Based on my style of shooting, budget, and needs I came to the conclusion of what I wanted. Now, once I get some experience with it and i decide what I like an don't, I'll "upgrade" from there. Good luck. one day, we are actually going to get to hit ARC together. I have your second mag finished and promise to get it back to you this week. Sorry for the delay. Ha! I'm in no hurry, I still don't have anything to put it in. Once I get my OBR we'll get there. Good stuff coming soon man, I'll fill you in later. Keep me up to date. I will be back on patrol next shift change. You going to start shooting Tac Heavy? I am going to buy a Nova and nordic the bastard out next month. I have finally made a shotgun decision. Should get an FN instead You Guys Have a phone ?
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Posted: 2/21/2012 4:15:32 PM
Originally Posted By EaZeNuTZ33:
Originally Posted By jwar:
I'm going to give the Bushnell HDMR a try for the PredatOBR I'm going to order. I love mine. For the money it is awefully hard to beat! Mine has the Tremor2 reticle in it. Some think it's too busy, but it works great for me. I just got mine HDMR, but with the H59 reticle, and so far I like it on my OBR 7.62. Haven't taken it to the range yet, so all I can give you in my initial feelings. I feel the best way to buy it is through LT and get their HDMR & LT Mount combo. I went with the LT111, but could have saved $50 if I went with a LT104. The OBR 7.62 has a 20mil cant so the LT111 was the right choice for me. |
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Posted: 2/21/2012 4:21:03 PM
Click Me
or Click Me Also I think both of these scopes would be excellent choices for you. How do you feel about this price range there are options both more expensive and less expensive but I am pretty sure that these would do everything you need to do reliably. |
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Posted: 2/21/2012 5:03:36 PM
Originally Posted By MidMichHunter:
Originally Posted By EaZeNuTZ33:
Originally Posted By jwar:
I'm going to give the Bushnell HDMR a try for the PredatOBR I'm going to order. I love mine. For the money it is awefully hard to beat! Mine has the Tremor2 reticle in it. Some think it's too busy, but it works great for me. I just got mine HDMR, but with the H59 reticle, and so far I like it on my OBR 7.62. Haven't taken it to the range yet, so all I can give you in my initial feelings. I feel the best way to buy it is through LT and get their HDMR & LT Mount combo. I went with the LT111, but could have saved $50 if I went with a LT104. The OBR 7.62 has a 20mil cant so the LT111 was the right choice for me. I used the OBR mount on my CMMG rifle. After talking to Luke we decided the zero MOA in the mount shouldnt matter much considering I would be holding my elevation instead of dialing. It would have also come in handy in case my CMMG rifle proved to not be accurate enough for me and I needed to upgrade to an OBR. |
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Posted: 2/22/2012 11:50:47 AM
I am using a S&B 4-16x42 in low rings. No need for a cheek riser.
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Posted: 2/22/2012 11:57:29 AM
Originally Posted By Hoser: I am using a S&B 4-16x42 in low rings. No need for a cheek riser. With what stock? |
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Posted: 2/22/2012 1:57:00 PM
Originally Posted By Urimaginaryfrnd:
Click Me or Click Me Also I think both of these scopes would be excellent choices for you. How do you feel about this price range there are options both more expensive and less expensive but I am pretty sure that these would do everything you need to do reliably. I was looking at these. also the Premier GEN 2XR reticles. The premier Reticles are all in MIl.. they have mil and MOA for the turrets.. |
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Posted: 2/22/2012 3:07:22 PM
I am deciding between the Vortex Razor, Nightforce F1 and Premier Light Tactical
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Posted: 2/22/2012 7:05:50 PM
[Last Edit: 2/26/2012 7:39:53 PM by Urimaginaryfrnd]
If you really want the best it would be Heinsoldt the tactical Zeiss It is the top of the line. The cool thing about U.S Optics scopes is that you can custom configure them in multiple ways depending on what you like. The EREK knob is very nice. One of the things that makes NF as popular as they are is they have a huge choice of reticles and their mechanicals really are very good where their glass is not up to the Euro stuff. A lot of companies like La Rue offer a satisfaction guarantee so you could order something in look at it but do not mount it unless you intend to keep it and so long as it is in original condition they will take it back and work with you to get you into a scope that is right for you. It will cost you the shipping if you decide to send one back though but thats OK. Premier scopes have been well recieved and they have worked on reticles and done custom stuff for Leupold for a long time. Their line of scopes though is fairly new to the market just a few years old at this point. Vortex also wanted to play with the big boys introducing their Razor scope but it is still fairly new and has not stood the test of time. S&B also makes very good scopes and their Police Marksman line is well regarded but for the price tag they ask Heinsoldt is the absolute best. 4-16x56 Heinsoldt
You do need to give some consideration to objective size though because a 56mm objective is a large scope significantly larger but also brighter at higher power. Maximum Brightness: 42mm bright at 6x, 50mm bright at 7x, 56mm bright at 8x. Even the 1.8-10x44 SN3 U.S.Optics would be a really fine choice for you. Most guys tend to over scope their rifles and while that may be ok with a bench rest gun anything that may see a gunfight should have lower power and illumination. The U.S. Optics scopes are available with both MIl and MOA reticles. NF 2.5-10x32 this is a sweet little scope with MOA based NP R2 reticle (NP-R2: ––––- 2 M.O.A. vertical increments allow accurate rangefinding and multiple zero and hold points to compensate for windage and bullet drop. Any size target can be easily ranged using a simple formula: target size in inches ÷ M.O.A. x 100 = range in yards). Really its OK to have multiple optics in La Rue mounts I run a 3x compact ACOG in the RCO mount and a 6x42 fixed power SS in a LT104 and have another LT104 with a 5-20x50 SS and just got in another LT104 for a 1-4 Trijicon Accupoint. Having mounts that return to Zero is an awesome thing so you can switch optics depending on your needs. I will say that if you have not had a mil based reticle with 1/10 mil clicks you have missed out. It is just almost too easy to zero one. shoot a hole in the target use the reticle to measure how high or low and how far left or right and dial in using the same increments. very user friendly. ![]() |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 11:27:51 AM
Thanks Guys.
yea I've thought of having a Trijicon also.. I plan on having a couple of Larue mounts for swapping things around between, AR's and my Bolt guns. That looks pretty simple from the Mil standpoint.. I've just seen the range formula for MOA that also look simple.. I spoke to USO. and they seem to be about 6-8 weeks behind. My local Rep for NF is expecting the FI's in August.. So I'll need to something beside wait that long.. WE have one range about 700yd, but its quite a drive.. the local is only 300yd.. So its pretty easy to over glass something at that range. Lots of options. It'll also be my hunting optic. |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 11:59:53 AM
Ok so for what it is worth let me add my 0.02 here. I have the Nightforce 5.5-whatever with HS/ZS and I can tell you I was not impressed. Its sitting on my shelf at home in a set of rings collecting dust. Glass is clear ya ya and the reticule is nice but....It just does not impress me. On the other hand. I got recently a Vortex Razor HD and a Bushnell HDMR and those two are amazing. The razor is so freaking sweet I actually bought two. Now I am not a Nightforce hater. I just for what you get they are over priced. The Nightforce is SFP and the Razor and HDMR are FFP and you get a 34mm tube instead of a 30mm tube. Glass in those two in my opinion is much better than the Nightforce. Also I find the Nightforce to be very difficult to get behind. Is the Nightforce build like a tank. Hell ya it is!!! But so is the Razor and the HDMR and for the HDMR to be $700 cheaper and the Razor to be $400 cheaper I think those two are better deals. In regards to to Mil vs MOA thing. Honestly I was an MOA guy sometime back. I converted over to Mil/Mil about a year ago and have not looked back. Mil/Mil is the way to go.
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Posted: 2/24/2012 12:11:35 PM
Originally Posted By Mobius38:
Ok so for what it is worth let me add my 0.02 here. I have the Nightforce 5.5-whatever with HS/ZS and I can tell you I was not impressed. Its sitting on my shelf at home in a set of rings collecting dust. Glass is clear ya ya and the reticule is nice but....It just does not impress me. On the other hand. I got recently a Vortex Razor HD and a Bushnell HDMR and those two are amazing. The razor is so freaking sweet I actually bought two. Now I am not a Nightforce hater. I just for what you get they are over priced. The Nightforce is SFP and the Razor and HDMR are FFP and you get a 34mm tube instead of a 30mm tube. Glass in those two in my opinion is much better than the Nightforce. Also I find the Nightforce to be very difficult to get behind. Is the Nightforce build like a tank. Hell ya it is!!! But so is the Razor and the HDMR and for the HDMR to be $700 cheaper and the Razor to be $400 cheaper I think those two are better deals. In regards to to Mil vs MOA thing. Honestly I was an MOA guy sometime back. I converted over to Mil/Mil about a year ago and have not looked back. Mil/Mil is the way to go. Stats on the sister-in-law , I may take that trade...
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Posted: 2/24/2012 12:22:55 PM
Ok so really fast! Funny you say that! A few years back I did a little "computer repair work" for her and "discovered" some rather racy photos she took for her "husband" Lets jsut say that selling those would make me some nice coinage!!
Originally Posted By MidMichHunter:
Originally Posted By Mobius38:
SNIP>>> Stats on the sister-in-law , I may take that trade...
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Posted: 2/24/2012 12:29:40 PM
[Last Edit: 2/24/2012 12:30:50 PM by Mobius38]
Ok so really fast on the USO. USO is actually like 1hour away from me in Buena Park! Sweet place people there are supper nice. If ANYTHING happens to the scopes they fix it while you wait and even buy ya lunch. If your looking for a reticle to order from them get the one called "COMP RIFLE" I am starting to shoot with CAPRC here in Komifornia and its my understanding that they worked with USO to create a retical for the club. I guess that USO likes it so much its a standard stocked and offered reticle with USO.
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Posted: 2/24/2012 2:26:04 PM
I don't see MOA scopes going away any time soon, too many old school guys around. With 1/4 MOA adjustment you can refine your zero more and I don't see the real target shooters giving up 1/8 MOA adjustment either. On scopes with Mil/MOA there will be a market for them as long as there are people who learned on them and don't want to or can't adjust to Mil/Mil.
I agree with the poster about people 'over glassing' their Rifles and the weight adds up when you have to carry it all day. A few ounces in the AM will feel like pounds later in the day. |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 2:47:11 PM
You can get .05 mil adjustments on some scopes if you need it.
At this point there is no good reason for someone new to this to get an moa anything. Guys who are invested in it, sure. |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 10:04:49 PM
[Last Edit: 2/24/2012 10:06:09 PM by Urimaginaryfrnd]
Not sure how much price will influence the decision we all have our tollerance limits but if you can afford the Heinsoldt that really is the pick of the litter and to me next best is a U.S. Optics after that I have to say that I really like the SS 5-20x50 and for less than that the weaver tactical 3-15x50 is not bad. I do think you need to give a lot of thought to how large of an optic you are willing to work with. I do have a 5-20x50 SS on a .308 DPSM with custom White Oak upper 20 in fluted with Smith Vortex , PRS stock, and its a large rifle scope combination but I dont feel like its to the point that its awkward at least until I try to fit it in the safe. I will admit that I am really fond of Compact ACOG's on collapsable stock 18 & shorter rifles I can be sub moa at 300 yds with a 1.5x TA442. You really kind of need two optics one a compact 1.5x or 2x compact ACOG for the night and up close work and one tactical scope. I know that even though the Heinsoldt is a large scope my two buddies who have them swear by them and they have owned a lot of high quality optics so if you can buy once cry once the Heinsoldt is it. There are several places that stock U.S. Optics scopes but you may be limited to their build choice still Im pretty sure you could have one PDQ. SN3 or SN3 here also irregardless who you order from call them verify it is in stock these optics are popular and relatively hard to come by.
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Posted: 2/24/2012 11:37:52 PM
I've been impressed with the US Optics scopes I've looked at, but they were large heavy scopes for the size/power compared to others. I have a GRSC 1-4X24 CRS and would like to try their 1-6X24. Then I'd like to try a SWFA 1-4X24 too.
On the other hand I may pick up the Midway special 'Weaver Tactical Grand Slam Rifle Scope 3-10x 40mm 1/10 Mil Adjustments Mil-Dot Reticle Matte' that's back on sale for $299.00 and try out Mil/Mil. I have a spare LT104 to mount it in. |
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Posted: 2/25/2012 5:22:33 PM
[Last Edit: 2/25/2012 5:22:48 PM by jcsparky]
I think I'll need 2 for it in the end. a 3-15'ish and some sort of ACOG.
I can swap the 5-15 from larue to the 300wm. I didn't have a scope for the first 25 years.. but now adays.. I need GOOD GLASS.. LOL USO looks to be 6-8 weeks turnaround and we still have snow on the ground. The Chart above is lot easier than the one i saw earlier. Looks like the MOA is easier calc for ranging but this looks simple too. I like the Unlit or nothing right at the Crosspoint of the cross hair. I do have a range finder so ranging is pretty simple. I shoot the Leupold prismatics on my AR's and like those. I'm also considering PVS 14 to the mix too. |
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Posted: 2/25/2012 5:27:38 PM
My H58 spoiled me :(
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Posted: 2/25/2012 5:32:03 PM
Originally Posted By jcsparky: I think I'll need 2 for it in the end. a 3-15'ish and some sort of ACOG. I can swap the 5-15 from larue to the 300wm. I didn't have a scope for the first 25 years.. but now adays.. I need GOOD GLASS.. LOL USO looks to be 6-8 weeks turnaround and we still have snow on the ground. The Chart above is lot easier than the one i saw earlier. Looks like the MOA is easier calc for ranging but this looks simple too. I like the Unlit or nothing right at the Crosspoint of the cross hair. I do have a range finder so ranging is pretty simple. I shoot the Leupold prismatics on my AR's and like those. I'm also considering PVS 14 to the mix too. If you're thinking of switching between a bolt gun and an AR type. One or the other is going to be off in height or something, unless you go with rings for the bolt gun of the right height and some form of riser for the AR. IMHO Of course someone could come along and explain where I'm wrong. Just can't picture it working well in both cases with the same mount, unless you add some type of cheek pad for the bolt gun. ![]() |
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Posted: 2/25/2012 6:21:34 PM
[Last Edit: 2/25/2012 7:24:14 PM by Urimaginaryfrnd]
Try to keep in mind that better glass is preferable to higher power. 1.8-10x44 U.S.Optics is a reasonable size with a low end of 1.8 which is useable pretty darn close and 10x at 1000 yds is just like open sights at 100 yds where 20x at 1000 yds is just like open sights at 50 yds. When you think of it in those terms relatively compact optics like the 1.8-10x44 US Optics and 2.5-10x32 Nightforce start to look pretty good for all around use. As for scopes that might be interesting to play with a guy could buy a nice 3.5x ACOG and also pick up something for target use like a 16x42 SS and if you wait a week the pre order will be up for the 16x in 1/10 Mil clicks with Mil Quad reticle still priced under three hundred. That kind of gives you the best of both worlds a awesome ACOG combat scope, and put a fixed 16x in a LT111 mount and play with the 16x when you want but run the combat optic the majority of the time. Sightron SIII also has a fixed 16x long range scope. They get a bit grey in low light but in full daylight are lots of fun. With a variable one can dial down power to brighten the image.
Surely one of the U.S.Optics stocking dealers has something in unless there is a specific build that nobody carries. possible : Link ![]() |
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Posted: 2/25/2012 8:07:18 PM
5-20x50 SS on custom .308
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