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Posted: 10/4/2009 10:49:45 AM
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Guys,

As some of you know, we are under litigation attack by A.R.M.S. (Dick Swan) for using the numerals 1 and 7 in our LT-170 mount part number. He filed for and last spring outrageously got a trademark on "#17" and then he sued us. IIRC, he also trademarked 7.62, 5.56, 50BMG, etc., etc.

I'm more than a little perturbed.

One of his interrogatories (sic) is what evidence I have of soldiers ever having an A.R.M.S. mount fail on them. Ask and ye shall receive.

I know a gent that says that roughly 20% of the A.R.M.S. mounts have to be replaced before he can run the guys in his sniper course. Says they come in flopping in one way or the other, levers loose, roll pins shot, whatever. And these are the ones that are left of the ones that haven't already been replaced.

I have replaced numerous busted A.R.M.S. units in the past, and have heard more stories than I can count ... the gist of one story - "busted levers on square ranges crunching under the boots of trainees" ...

So, I am officially offering to replace/exchange any in-op/broken A.R.M.S. mounts for the LaRue product that best fits as a replacement.

I'll do it even at the unit level. If your team has a bucket full of dead A.R.M.S. mounts of any sort laying around, then put them to good use. I am aware that due to NSN numbers, many are the failed units are likely sh*tcanned and a replacement bought (with taxpayer money). Either way, I don't care how many ... besides, it won't be nothing compared to the attorney bills we are incurring weekly.

I do ask that some sort of note be written that says what the problem is, i.e. broken levers, loosened roll pins, stripped-out threads, etc.

Let me know about any and all A.R.M.S failures you know about ... even if you threw them away, no worries, please let me know about it here.

We may have to spend $100,000 dollars to fend off this attack, and that's money we can't buy equipment with, money we can't hire more folks with, money shot to hell.

Any help from you guys will be much appreciated.

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Mark LaRue
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Posted: 10/4/2009 11:01:01 AM
Hats off, here's hoping you beat them to hell and back.
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Posted: 10/4/2009 11:07:35 AM
That sucks, I hope it all comes out well for LT. Best of luck.
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Posted: 10/4/2009 11:09:21 AM
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Wow! Way to go, Sir! I'm a civilian and I've had an ARMS mount on my previous Eotech 4x FTS magnifier collapse on me. The pins that held the lever that deployed the magnifier fell out while I was shooting, had to glue the mount together and forego the FTS ability. I've since passed it on to a friend of mine who replaced the mount.

BTW, will you be making a new mount for the Eotech G23.FTS 3x magnifier? I'm signing up to purchase one if you are gonna make them.
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Posted: 10/4/2009 11:17:27 AM
I just finished LFI III with mas and Marty and use the Larue Q D mount for my MeOpta K dot on my M-4. This is so good we could detatch quickly and share the scope.
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Posted: 10/4/2009 11:18:46 AM
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how can you trademark 5.56 whats he gonna do sue winchester for selling 5.56 ammo now. what a duchebag


btw you should post this in general. not everyone visits the industry forums. look at how many ppl never knew about the hell freezes over thingy
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Posted: 10/4/2009 11:20:57 AM
Shame when a business can only exist when it sues competitors. Larue is one of the good ones. At least now I can justify future Larue purchases as donations to the legal defense fund.
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Posted: 10/4/2009 11:25:15 AM
Originally Posted By vermont2nd:
Hats off, here's hoping you beat them to hell and back.


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Posted: 10/4/2009 11:44:58 AM
I have a personally purchased Cantilever Aimpoint mount that stripped a screw and started perceptibly moving back and forth on the rails while on deployment. Does that count?
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Posted: 10/4/2009 11:54:45 AM
Originally Posted By 0612Devil:
I have a personally purchased Cantilever Aimpoint mount that stripped a screw and started perceptibly moving back and forth on the rails while on deployment. Does that count?


Yep, that counts.

Thanks,

ML


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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:03:10 PM
Damn, Mark––that's a hell of an offer.
Let's hope nobody abuses it
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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:08:17 PM
"IIRC, he also trademarked 7.62, 5.56, 50BMG, etc., etc."

Swan has some big brass ones. There's no way that would stand up to a challenge.

Good on you Mark.
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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:20:11 PM
so that means that if I trademarked the number 23 I could sue pepsico for using 23 on their dr. pepper products????WTF!!!
that is the most outrageous bunch of BULLSHIT I have ever heard!!!
I hope you can counter sue that stupid bastard into oblivion!!!!
I'm going to quit typing now before I go into a rant and get thrown out of arfcom....
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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:25:12 PM
I ordered a bipod mount from you guys. Hopefully that $80 will help.
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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:29:35 PM
Give 'em Hell, Mark.
I've been involved in expensive lawsuits -never want to do again.
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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:35:17 PM
Mark,

I've not had one fail, but I have some Arms rings now that are so tight I have to use a hammer to move the levers to remove them. Strange since I have another pair that fit and function just right on the same mount.

I can just see the levers failing at some point as I hammer them on and off.

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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:35:43 PM
Mark, I hope you put ARMS out of business!! I damn near lost part of a finger from one of his shitty pot metal mounts. I'll see if I can look for the pics again of the bloody mount and finger but don't know if I have them anymore.
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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:36:22 PM
How can he trademark 50 BMG when the "B" stands for Browning?
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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:37:04 PM
Rather than spend his money making better products that are as good as/better than LaRue, that Dick just wants to force ML to waste money and maybe go out of business. There's no way he actually believes that this will stand up. He better start suing about 847,628,482,737,849 other companies because they all use those numbers too.

By the way, before I forget

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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:40:29 PM
Originally Posted By KM223:
Mark, I hope you put ARMS out of business!! I damn near lost part of a finger from one of his shitty pot metal mounts. I'll see if I can look for the pics again of the bloody mount and finger but don't know if I have them anymore.


This.

I need a pic of that finger.

Damn, try concentrating on a firefight with half your finger peeled off, while trying to hold a flopping soft-mount on.

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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:40:49 PM
WOW.

I have an A.R.M.S ACOG mount(#19?) that got so loose to the point I had to stop using it. Never even really abused it, just got some range use. I also had a set of #22 rings that both of em stripped the holes where the rings connected.
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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:44:42 PM
Originally Posted By 545Fan:
Mark,

I've not had one fail, but I have some Arms rings now that are so tight I have to use a hammer to move the levers to remove them. Strange since I have another pair that fit and function just right on the same mount.

I can just see the levers failing at some point as I hammer them on and off.

Duane


It is mechanically likely that the tight ones are the ones that bust off ... that's not counting busted levers due to impacts / drops tests on the loose ones.

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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:45:43 PM
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WOW.

I have an A.R.M.S ACOG mount(#19?) that got so loose to the point I had to stop using it. Never even really abused it, just got some range use. I also had a set of #22 rings that both of em stripped the holes where the rings connected.


Let's trade.

ML
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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:55:27 PM
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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:57:32 PM
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By AKIA_AZ:
WOW.

I have an A.R.M.S ACOG mount(#19?) that got so loose to the point I had to stop using it. Never even really abused it, just got some range use. I also had a set of #22 rings that both of em stripped the holes where the rings connected.


Let's trade.

ML


I wish I could, however I already bought LaRue mounts for the ACOG over 3 years ago and both of the ARMS mounts were used as targets.

But thank you for the offer.
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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:59:11 PM
Mark,
Am I reading this correctly, that you'll trade a LaRue mount for a POS ARMS mount? I have an ARMS Aimpoint mount with a spacer that won't hold zero at all. 1" inch POI shifts at 50 yard zero on a regular basis. I don't even take it off that often and everything is tight.

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