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Posted: 9/2/2014 4:30:16 PM EDT
The wait is over.
The journey home from the battlefield is a long one. The AN/PEQ-15 (ATPIAL) from Insight Technology, has been faithfully serving U.S. Warfighters as the standard issue aiming laser throughout the Global War on Terror. Seen on almost every U.S. weapon fielded since the mid 2000’s, the ATPIAL has been highly coveted by the commercial market, yet always out of reach due to government restrictions on high power infrared lasers... Until now. Introducing the ATPIAL-C. Forged for the Warrior, Honed in the Crucible of Combat, and Proven by Heroes, the legendary AN/PEQ-15 is now available in a civilian-legal package as the ATPIAL-C. Some history how it came to be. At the 2014 SHOT Show TNVC was approached by Insight to discuss the viability of this product in the commercial market. Both TNVC and L-3/Insight believed it would be very well received by individual civilian and law enforcement personnel. We were asked to be the exclusive launch vehicle for the ATPIAL-C and jumped at the opportunity. Presently, TNVC is the only place to get these! After all these years in combat, TNVC is extremely excited to bring the ATPIAL-C home. The unique aspect of the ATPIAL-C is it’s pulled right off the same military production line as its full power cousin, but with a civilian legal Class1 Infrared Laser Pointer and Illuminator. Other than the power rating, there is no difference between the ATPIAL-C and the ATPIAL. The ATPIAL-C (Advanced Target Pointer/Illuminator Aiming Laser – Commercial) is a multi-function Class1/IIIR Infrared/Visible laser from L-3/Insight Technology. It features an Infrared Laser Pointer (0.7 mW Class1), Visible Laser Pointer (4.6 mW Class 3R Red), and Infrared Laser Illuminator (3 mW Class 3R). Based on the standard issue AN/PEQ-15 (Class IIIb) for the U.S. Warfighter, the ATPIAL-C’s Class1/3R power makes it completely eye-safe and available to the general public. Class1 Infrared Laser Pointer feature a 0.7mW rating which is not restricted by the FDA. They will easily reach out to 450 yards, encompassing most target engagement ranges when paired with a night vision goggle for the civilian and law enforcement professional. Considering that Gen3 Night Vision Goggles have a maximum target identification range of 100-115 yards, the 450 yard range of the ATPIAL-C is perfect. The Visible and Infrared Laser Pointers are slaved so that zeroing one will zero the other in tandem. The Infrared Laser Illuminator is a true laser illuminator system, producing no bright downrange visible signature as seen in infrared LED’s. In order to stay within Class1 guidelines, the Illuminator is lower power, able to reach 150 yards and is non-adjustable. This is perfect for short to medium range engagements. Like the full power ATPIAL, the ATPIAL-C’s Infrared Illuminator can be used to wash out the bloom of the Infrared Laser Pointer at engagement distances. The ATPIAL-C is a low profile laser system that mounts to any standard M1913 Picatinny Rail. Its design allows it to sit lower on the rail than most other lasers, creating a “saddle bag” affect, so as not to impede the shooter’s sight picture when mounted at the 12 o’clock position. Its glass-reinforced high-strength polymer body housing is very robust and impact resistant. The unit features a simple dial selector for changing the output settings on top of the housing. Activation is achieved via the included remote pressure pad or onboard “fire” button. A rear-facing battery compartment makes changing batteries simple and convenient, even when the unit is pushed all the way forward against a standard AR Front Sight Base (by the way: you should never store your expensive night vision and lasers with the batteries installed). Windage and elevation adjustments require a small flat head screw driver and produce positive clicks. The ATPIAL-C is the closest thing an individual can get to the standard issue full power ATPIAL. We are currently accepting pre-orders. L-3 will be delivering the first units to our warehouse mid to late November with the next shipment in mid to late December. Shipping will be first come, first served. Pre Orders must be paid in full. Place your Pre Order before September 15 and get it for only $1,199.00. That’s a $100 savings! After that, the price is $1,299 Get Your ATPIAL-C HERE!!! Manufacturer: L3/ Insight Technology Dimensions: 4.6?(L) x 2.8?(W) x 1.6?(H) Weight: 7.5 oz. w/ Battery Power: One (1) 3V DL123A Battery Battery Life: >6 Hours in Dual High Waterproof: 6 Meters for One Hour Warranty: 1 Year Warranty Infrared Laser Spec: —————————————————- IR Laser Class: Class1 IR Laser Output: 0.7 mW IR Laser Divergence: 0.5 mRad IR Laser Wavelength: 820nm – 850nm IR Laser Range: >450 Yards Visible Laser Spec: —————————————————- Visible Laser Class: IIIR Red Visible Laser Output: 4.6 mW Visible Laser Divergence: 0.5 mRad Visible Laser Wavelength: 605nm – 665nm Visible Laser Range: >25 Meters in Direct Sun IR Illuminator Specs: —————————————————- IR Illuminator Class: IIIR Infrared IR Illuminator Output: 3 mW IR Illuminator Divergence: 105 mRad IR Illuminator Wavelength: 820nm – 850nm IR Illuminator Range: >150 Yards |
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These are the independent testing results, performed by TNVC. The purpose of this testing was to weigh the performance of the ATPIAL C in real life conditions. For the outdoor phases of this testing, the conditions were half-moon, clear skies, visible stars, and visible city lights (on the horizon) approximately ½ mile away. The furthest treeline in this image, is approximately 350 yards away, to give you some depth awareness. OUTDOOR TESTING *All photos posted below are of the ATPIAL C performing. I know the question is going to be asked, "Is the IR illuminator visible?” The answer is, it’s just as visible on the ATPIAL C as it is on the PEQ-15. People talk about how the IR illuminators on the PEQ-15 aren’t visible. Well, I understand what they mean, however, they do put off a very faint visible red hue from the emitter itself. It’s hard to see, unless you are standing DIRECTLY in front of the unit, looking DIRECTLY into the emitter, which I DO NOT RECOMMEND. The faint red dot is hard to see and this is primarily because the emitter is recessed into the housing. The photos below, were taken with my iPhone 5, at a distance of 25 yards directly in front of the PEQ-15 and the ATPIAL C with their respective illuminators on. The top photo is the PEQ-15. Bottom photo is the ATPIAL C. Notice the faint red glow in both photos? Again this is extremely hard to see, and you have to be directly in front of the emitter. Slightly angled to the left, right, above or below, and you won’t be able to see this. I also noticed that I could never really get myself aligned to see the illuminator emission point at a distance beyond about 40 yards, and up until that point, it was extremely hard to see. INDOOR TESTING All of these photos on the indoor test, were taken on the live fire range at Telluric Group’s training facility. This facility is optimized for low light/ no light training and the lighting can be controlled very precisely. The conditions in these photos are – no lights on whatsoever. The only visible light was the glow in the dark tape on the ranges light switch module, and the LED on the coffee machine in the classroom outside of the range, approximately 50 feet away, and on the other side of the bullet proof observation windows looking into the range. It was "can’t see my hand in front of my face” dark. Significant amount of bloom. No more than what is standard in commercial .7 mW laser units. The illuminator did cut down the bloom on the IR laser, however, in the photos, it looks a lot more "bloomy” than it did in real life, due to the camera interpreting the light. I took several photos and couldn’t capture the true cancellation of the laser bloom with the illuminator being used. The built in neutral density filters into the laser covers work exactly as they are intended. Cut the bloom and give a very precise dot. Initially I had concerns that given the fact that these lasers were .7mW and not the 50mW as their restricted counterparts, I thought that the neutral density filters would cut too much of the power of the .7mW laser. I was wrong. They work perfectly. Lets take a closer look at the unit itself. Aesthetically, you cannot tell the two apart. This is because the same internal parts, and the same exact body housings are being used for the ATPIAL C as they are on the PEQ-15. No cheap, knock off internals or sketchy mounts on this system. The ATPIAL C and the PEQ-15 are exactly the same right down to the stickers, except for the mW of the lasers being specified and the ability to adjust the IR illuminator spread. Seeing as how the illuminator’s focus knob is locked and can’t be adjusted, we took some basic measurements of the IR illuminator in use. In this photo above, the red dashed circle is surrounding the immediate IR illuminator spread. The target, is a standard size IPSC target which is 18 inches wide. The illuminator spread is roughly 5.5 IPSC targets wide, which is approximately 8.25 feet. So at 25 yards, you have an illuminator spread of roughly 8.25 feet. With that knowledge, I think it’s safe to assume that at 50 yards, the spread will be approximately 16.5 feet, 75 yards – 24.75 feet, and so on. In my opinion, I think that is absolutely perfect for what is needed in short to medium ranges, which is truly what commercial IR laser units are designed for. In this photo above, the red circles denote the 125 yard area where the IR illuminator is visibly lighting/illuminating. We feel that with these specific light conditions, 125 yards is going to be the max distance you can illuminate a darkened area and identify something. We also feel that 125-150 yards is the max usable distance in the darkest of outdoor conditions, for this IR illuminator. In essence, if a bad guy were hiding in that photo at 125 yards, I could have illuminated him, and determined him friend or foe. In summary, during these several months of extensive testing and evaluating the ATPIAL C, we have concluded several things. -The ATPIAL C performs EXACTLY the same as a PEQ-15 on low power setting. -Given the fact that the majority of Law Enforcement agencies use their PEQ-15’s on the low power setting due to bloom issues, the ATPIAL C is a great alternative for the commercial user, especially those that have transitioned out of active duty, where they were issued PEQ-15’s. -The IR illuminator has a maximum range of 150 yards in the darkest conditions. -Though the IR illuminator doesn’t have an adjustable beam, we think it’s actually perfect for being utilized in short to medium distances. Given the fact that positive ID through a PVS-14 or dual tube system is roughly 150 meters, the IR illuminator on the ATPIAL C fills that role quite nicely. L3/ Insight ATPIAL-C Class1/3R IR LaserIf you guys have any further questions, ask away and we will do our best to answer. We spent a significant amount of time with these units, and they certainly get our stamp of approval. This has been a long time coming, and we are glad we are finally able to bring this to light. |
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NICE. Good job guys... and here I though I finally had my gun all done. I literally had to walk away from the computer for a bit to stop myself from impulse ordering.
So basically, it's the same unit, but the AH/IH/DH settings, and the illuminator focus ring are non functional? Can you still program the illuminator? |
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NICE. Good job guys... and here I though I finally had my gun all done. I literally had to walk away from the computer for a bit to stop myself from impulse ordering. So basically, it's the same unit, but the AH/IH/DH settings, and the illuminator focus ring are non functional? Can you still program the illuminator? View Quote Correct on focus settings, everything else is identical including the programmable features. Vic |
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Correct on focus settings, everything else is identical including the programmable features. Vic View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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NICE. Good job guys... and here I though I finally had my gun all done. I literally had to walk away from the computer for a bit to stop myself from impulse ordering. So basically, it's the same unit, but the AH/IH/DH settings, and the illuminator focus ring are non functional? Can you still program the illuminator? Correct on focus settings, everything else is identical including the programmable features. Vic Thanks Vic. So just to clarify, on the AL/DL settings are you getting lower output, or is 0.7mW aiming and 3mW illum on both low and high positions? |
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NICE. Good job guys... and here I though I finally had my gun all done. I literally had to walk away from the computer for a bit to stop myself from impulse ordering. So basically, it's the same unit, but the AH/IH/DH settings, and the illuminator focus ring are non functional? Can you still program the illuminator? Correct on focus settings, everything else is identical including the programmable features. Vic Thanks Vic. So just to clarify, on the AL/DL settings are you getting lower output, or is 0.7mW aiming and 3mW illum on both low and high positions? Welcome. Correct, both low and high produce the same output. Vic |
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Thank you for the orders. We're extremely happy with these units.
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How many tan ones are left from the first batch? I'm thinking about picking up another one.
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How many tan ones are left from the first batch? I'm thinking about picking up another one. Good, cause after all that internal debate, I checked out with the wrong color and need to change my order to a tan. ETA: Kristen got me squared away. I did the same thing with my helmet order last month too. |
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I am ready to order my ATPIAL, I have some store credit with you already. How do I get it applied to my order? Sent an email but haven't heard back yet.
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I randomly checked out your website like I usually do and I saw this. My prayers have been answered! I just gotta debate if I should buy one now and put it on my CC or just buy one when I have cash from tax day. The $100 saving might get eaten up with interest. Do you guys anticipate a long wait once you run out? When I ordered my LDI ITAL it took quite some time to actually get it. I'd hate to wait until next April to order one of these and then wait a few more months to get it.
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Quoted: I randomly checked out your website like I usually do and I saw this. My prayers have been answered! I just gotta debate if I should buy one now and put it on my CC or just buy one when I have cash from tax day. The $100 saving might get eaten up with interest. Do you guys anticipate a long wait once you run out? When I ordered my LDI ITAL it took quite some time to actually get it. I'd hate to wait until next April to order one of these and then wait a few more months to get it. View Quote |
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I made the first cut correct? Do you have any more pictures of it on the 416? That is what mine is going on.
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What's up with Weapon Outfitters selling these? TNVC stated they were the exclusive outlet for these... Nothing against WO (I love that vendor), just wondering why TNVC stated one thing and then WO pops up offering them.
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Quoted: What's up with Weapon Outfitters selling these? TNVC stated they were the exclusive outlet for these... Nothing against WO (I love that vendor), just wondering why TNVC stated one thing and then WO pops up offering them. View Quote |
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Tan ones still available from first batch?
If so I will order on pay day friday. |
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Tan ones still available from first batch? If so I will order on pay day friday. Alright hopefully thatll be the case on Friday as well. Ramen noodles it is for the next few weeks |
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Why couldnt this have come out in 3 months closer to Christmas bonus time. FML!!!
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If you guys want you can send me mine a month early for T&E
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Hopefully there is a sale on these for Cyber Monday or Black Friday.....hint, hint...
Or the CQBL... |
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Any word on when you will be receiving these? Still on track for this month? I'm very anxious to get mine.
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We are expecting them this week. Trying to get an arrival date.
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No more available from the 1st order of these though correct?
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No more available from the 1st order of these though correct? Would like black, but if there are tan available.... View Quote Just found out that we have SINGLE digit tan inventory left for first phase shipping. This may not last for more than a few days most. Black is sold out for 1st phase. Thank you. Vic |
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Thank you for the update. I own my own business as well. Being the middle man is a challenging task.
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Once they arrive how long does it take your staff to repackage and ship? The only thing that sucks is having to work to pay for this stuff and that work precludes the use of it after Dec 19th for a long time, at least in my case
Eagerly awaiting this shipment |
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Quoted: Once they arrive how long does it take your staff to repackage and ship? The only thing that sucks is having to work to pay for this stuff and that work precludes the use of it after Dec 19th for a long time, at least in my case Eagerly awaiting this shipment View Quote |
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any tan left? I was initially thinking of waiting for some reviews...but if you have any left on the initial shipment I'll go ahead and commit.
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