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Posted: 2/5/2012 3:44:11 PM
I am considering the P308 for use as a duty patrol rifle. We have to individually purchase our own rifles due to budget constraints. I was wondering if there is any hard data ballistic info available for the 16" barrel. Whats the max effective range, 300, 400, 500, 600 yards? Has POF thought of creating an 18" barrel option? I saw that recently, POF switched to Magpul parts. I'm not trying to sound disrespectful here towards POF, but I'm wondering why I should spend all that money on the P308 when the cost to put a decent stock , iron sights, perhaps a better trigger, would be roughly the same as a REPR or another reliable .308. Sig Sauer is releasing the 716 (.308) at just a hair under $1500.00 with a VLTOR Stock, ect... Has POF addressed the issue of leftover "salt like substance" in the chamber left in from the build process? I am hoping that the only time I pull the trigger is during range time, but if I ever have to deploy my rifle in the line of duty, I have got to know that it will preform flawlessly every trigger pull so I can go home at the end of my shift not whistling when the wind blows....
Again, I'm not trying to sound disrespectful here, I'm simply trying to decide which rifle I am going to purchase for a patrol rifle with my own money that I can depend on with my life. I have read that POF has exceptional customer service so, any answer from someone at POF would be very much appreciated Thanks in advance. |
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Posted: 2/5/2012 4:28:54 PM
The POF would be an excellent patrol rife!!! CA DFG has adopted it. The test rifle past a 6K endurance test with flying colors. After 6K rounds in two days the test gun produced a 1 MOA five shot group at 100 meters. As for looking at other piston AR rifles one needs to remember that POF has been building piston AR's the longest. Based on Sig's lack of qc I would wait. The best thing is to talk to agencies who issue POF and ask them how the weapon performs. I am sure if you are active LE, POF would provide you a list of agencies who have issued or allow the use of POF's rifles.
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Posted: 2/5/2012 4:41:22 PM
[Last Edit: 2/5/2012 4:42:21 PM by urbanredneck]
762 for a patrol rifle? What do you do...patrol a national forest? 556 would be better suited for an urban enviroment. When you are scrutinized for every pull of the trigger i would not want something that is goin to shoot through the first three houses on the block. An ar sighted in at 100 yards would prob twice the distance you would ever have to shoot.
Not to change the topic. |
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Posted: 2/6/2012 7:44:49 PM
Originally Posted By urbanredneck:
762 for a patrol rifle? What do you do...patrol a national forest? |
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Posted: 2/7/2012 9:56:03 PM
[Last Edit: 2/7/2012 11:25:46 PM by arcticwarrior]
Nope, I am currently in a rural area where there are lots of hunters and we'll say "individuals" that are of a different nature that favor AK' 47's and the like. I know the AR-15/M-16 family quite well, and I know it's limitations, I'm prior combat arms and a Colt Armorer. I know my most likely distance will be well under 100 yards. I wanted a little bit more punch & knock down power as well as distance capability. I didn't come in these threads to be a smart ass. Well, I should add that I am a pretty sarcastic bastard though.
It looks like a great weapon. However; the more I read, the less I like it. It appears that Hogan and P.O.F. are in the middle of a lawsuiteand there was mention on a related blog about P.O.F. possibly going out of business. I don't ever remember hearing of Hogan until I started researching P.O.F. They look one in the same and from what I read are right next door to each other as far as their bushiness 's are concerned. I have read good and bad about both companies. I know I called P.O.F. and and traded e-mails with one of their tech guys and was not impressed at all. Their customer service skills were not very good as far as I'm concerned at this point. I have been contemplating purchasing a P308 and still have unanswered questions. I had specifically asked about plans for an 18" barrel and have not yet received a response. I just found Hogan's website and see they have one, if there rifles are pretty much the same, I wonder why POF doesn't offer it. Again, I'm not trying to compare companies, just what looks the same.
Again, I'm not knocking POF here nor am I wanting to ruffle anyone feathers. I just want some straight answers, that's all. It would be nice for Frank the owner of POF or a rep from POF to come in here and clear it up with some answers. I love Larue Tactical, but I want a piston driven weapon, so I turned to POF for that possibility as they have been around for quite a while. IMO, LWRC is overpriced and over rated. I owned their M6A2, very nice rifle, but way over priced, in my humble opinion. $3500.00 for their REPR, you can keep it. If I'm going to shell out a substantial amount of my hard earned cash for a rifle I will have to stake my life on, I don't think it's to much for me to ask some questions of the manufacturer about that potential rifle. |
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Posted: 2/8/2012 8:53:30 PM
[Last Edit: 2/8/2012 8:58:19 PM by Swat_dude]
I think you will find that Frank will not discuss the lawsuit for obvious reasons. I'm told POF just secured a decent sized contract for California Fish and Game and they also still service Phoenix PD SAU's POF rifles. I would say if they have survived this far in the economy they will be just fine. Funny, I too own a LWRC M6A2 upper and a POF 308. I always thought the POF feature set was superior to LWRC. LWRC basically always followed POF, adding nitrided barrels after POF did, adding one piece carriers after POF did, and coming up with their own answer to NP3, which in my opinion is substandard to NP3 since my M6A2 BCG galled the first time I shot it and I wound up taking it to Robar here in Phoenix to have the better coating put on it. I used to piss off all the fan boys on the LWRC forum since I owned both but I was really just stating the facts as I see them. I think my LWRC is an excellent upper but definitely not worth more money than POF.
And God bless him, Chris was a super nice guy in person but probably should not have been in a customer service position answering phones. A key ingredient to running a company efficiently is capitalizing on folks strengths and not their weaknesses. Frank finally limited Chris on the phones and had some excellent customer service folks working for him for awhile, but I have not dealt with them recently. |
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Posted: 2/9/2012 8:28:34 PM
Thanks Swat_dude for your reply. I never asked Frank to discuss the lawsuit. I just wanted some answers, that's all.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 2:53:09 AM
I will second Swat Dude. I have been involved with the test of POF AR's for over a year. 20K rounds down range out of three rifles. Only minor issue is we broke three extractors. Not a problem if you follow a PM schedule. As a result of our test POF has beefed up their extractors and they should now be good for at least 10K rounds. We need to remember that the extractor is one of the week points on an AR. So if one is to f ollow a PM schedule and clean the rifle, there will never be any issues. As for the P308 being used for a patrol rifle I will give it my vote of approval. My agency issues one shotgun and one rifle to each officer. So no mater what the problem is, our officers should be able to provide a solution to the problem. Bigger bullets make bigger holes, air in juice out. Just my opinion, no more no less.
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Posted: 7/14/2012 1:02:22 AM
If it was authorized, I'd love to carry my POF P-415 as a Duty Patrol Rifle.
I've wiped the insides out with a dry cloth and swabbed the barrel a few times but otherwise it just shoots and shoots. Only about 3K now but it's been super reliable and very accurate, easy 1moa. I've heard some horror stories but from my perspective, it's a top notch shooter that I'd trust my life on. |
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Posted: 7/21/2012 12:43:26 PM
[Last Edit: 7/21/2012 12:44:52 PM by Swat_dude]
Originally Posted By Captain123:
I will second Swat Dude. I have been involved with the test of POF AR's for over a year. 20K rounds down range out of three rifles. Only minor issue is we broke three extractors. Not a problem if you follow a PM schedule. As a result of our test POF has beefed up their extractors and they should now be good for at least 10K rounds. We need to remember that the extractor is one of the week points on an AR. So if one is to f ollow a PM schedule and clean the rifle, there will never be any issues. As for the P308 being used for a patrol rifle I will give it my vote of approval. My agency issues one shotgun and one rifle to each officer. So no mater what the problem is, our officers should be able to provide a solution to the problem. Bigger bullets make bigger holes, air in juice out. Just my opinion, no more no less. Actually, my LWRC had the old, staked piston strike key. I finally broke down and spent the $350 to upgrade it to their new one piece carrier. I really thought since I was an existing customer, LWRC should have offered a discount for the upgrade but when I asked, they refused. It came with their new Advanced Combat Bolt which has dual springs at the back. Neat design although Barrett had already addressed the extractor issues with their bolt design in the REC7, which i also own. I'm glad to hear POF is improving their extractors as well. I may have to drop by for an upgrade. As far as POF going out of business, they are actually considering purchasing a new Kaeser Compressor from my company for their NEW MANUFACTURING LOCATION which is about 4 times as big as their old one. They just moved in 3 or 4 weeks ago so I think that should put any "going out of business" rumors to rest. |
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