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God D****!!!!! That AKS-13 is pure sex!!! And the 8inch!....
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anyone else notice how many manufacturers are pumping out AR/AK hybrids at SHOT?
I doubt any of them have a bolt hold open. Hell, even if they managed to have that, I doubt they have the enlarge BCG found on the Mutant. Personally, I was hoping for a 5.45x39 Mutant that takes standard AR BCG and charging handles but AK74 mags. |
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anyone else notice how many manufacturers are pumping out AR/AK hybrids at SHOT? I doubt any of them have a bolt hold open. Hell, even if they managed to have that, I doubt they have the enlarge BCG found on the Mutant. Personally, I was hoping for a 5.45x39 Mutant that takes standard AR BCG and charging handles but AK74 mags. View Quote There's little doubt the Mutant has become a trend setter. And IMHO it remains best in class. |
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anyone else notice how many manufacturers are pumping out AR/AK hybrids at SHOT? I doubt any of them have a bolt hold open. Hell, even if they managed to have that, I doubt they have the enlarge BCG found on the Mutant. Personally, I was hoping for a 5.45x39 Mutant that takes standard AR BCG and charging handles but AK74 mags. View Quote Maybe the KS-47 from Palmetto will be able to manage that. It is built to use a standard AR upper and bolt which might result in more bolt failure, however the 5.45x39 does have a slightly smaller bolt face than the 7.62, so maybe that wont be a problem. Going with the palmetto certainly increases the parts options. |
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Maybe the KS-47 from Palmetto will be able to manage that. It is built to use a standard AR upper and bolt which might result in more bolt failure, however the 5.45x39 does have a slightly smaller bolt face than the 7.62, so maybe that wont be a problem. Going with the palmetto certainly increases the parts options. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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anyone else notice how many manufacturers are pumping out AR/AK hybrids at SHOT? I doubt any of them have a bolt hold open. Hell, even if they managed to have that, I doubt they have the enlarge BCG found on the Mutant. Personally, I was hoping for a 5.45x39 Mutant that takes standard AR BCG and charging handles but AK74 mags. Maybe the KS-47 from Palmetto will be able to manage that. It is built to use a standard AR upper and bolt which might result in more bolt failure, however the 5.45x39 does have a slightly smaller bolt face than the 7.62, so maybe that wont be a problem. Going with the palmetto certainly increases the parts options. perhaps, but I'm not too concerned about the proprietary BCG on the Mutant. I personally think that it is the biggest strength of the rifle. I DO wish the rifle could take an aftermarket charging handle as opposed to just an aftermarket latch, but the latch seems to work just fine. a bolt catch would be a very nice addition, but I don't see how its possible given the AK magazine construction. My biggest gripe is the fact that the mag catch spring is not captive. I hope to see a 5.45x39 version in the future with more in common with AR parts, save for the bolt itself. |
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Where can I find your latest 8" SBR Mutant? Is there a list of CMMG NFA dealers somewhere? <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tiluftlk/media/crap/12224242_766417113463545_1652611892_n_zpsokrwgnar.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/tiluftlk/crap/12224242_766417113463545_1652611892_n_zpsokrwgnar.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tiluftlk/media/crap/12317375_579993615486891_289810019_n_zpsbedyucyt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/tiluftlk/crap/12317375_579993615486891_289810019_n_zpsbedyucyt.jpg</a> View Quote Or pistol versions? |
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How are these suppressed? Looking at putting a Rugged Surge on one.
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How are these suppressed? Looking at putting a Rugged Surge on one. View Quote Works very well with a DeadAir Sandman S on the 10" version. https://youtu.be/ap_EsZV4Xac |
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Quick update. Used my new PA 4x prism scope today just to sight it in. Only put about 70 rounds through it. I've already modded it with a Bobro mount.
I have to say that so far I am REALLY impressed with it. I am by no means a good shooter, but I had no trouble setting up spent 12 gauge shells at 50 yards and knocking them down. I only missed one, but that's because I pulled it. Rifle accuracy is still good. Getting some clover groups at 50 yards makes me think that a better shooter and trigger can easily squeeze 1- 1.5 MOA at 100 yards. Glass clarity is quite amazing, especially given the price point. Reticle is daylight bright, albeit on its higher settings. Only negative I have is its rather unforgiving eye Box. Shifting your head from side to side will cause you to loose the sight picture. Overall I am really impressed and can't wait to stretch it out to 100-600 yards on gongs. I will definitely be buying more PA optics in the future. |
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According to MAC, they are a dream to shoot suppressed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How are these suppressed? Looking at putting a Rugged Surge on one. According to MAC, they are a dream to shoot suppressed. i have only shot my suppressed, runs very well |
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Where can I find your latest 8" SBR Mutant? Is there a list of CMMG NFA dealers somewhere? <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tiluftlk/media/crap/12224242_766417113463545_1652611892_n_zpsokrwgnar.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/tiluftlk/crap/12224242_766417113463545_1652611892_n_zpsokrwgnar.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tiluftlk/media/crap/12317375_579993615486891_289810019_n_zpsbedyucyt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/tiluftlk/crap/12317375_579993615486891_289810019_n_zpsbedyucyt.jpg</a> Or pistol versions? Just quoting myself since it's been 2 months to the day sing I posted that, and I haven't came across any info.... |
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I see on the 13" that the gas block is pinned. Has that solved the reliability issue? And if using high quality ammo will this set up shoot moa at a 100 off a bench?
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I see on the 13" that the gas block is pinned. Has that solved the reliability issue? And if using high quality ammo will this set up shoot moa at a 100 off a bench? View Quote The pinned block only helps on mag dumps whereby the shooter is putting 700+ rounds down range in a short amount of time. I've had no issues with my non-pinned block. |
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I just bought the pistol version with the 10 inch barreled upper from Grab A Gun. They only had one left in stock. Now they have none.
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I'm really liking that AKS13. Couple questions, will it accept any AR15 trigger group? What about a AR15 stocks? I've had pretty good results with the Chip McCormick triggers and I use Viltor's EMod stocks. Can I change the stock ones out? Or are the part proprietary?
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I can confirm that it does take DPMS .308 rails. I have a MI 12" MLOK rail on mine.
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Mine's on order, finally.
Along with a new Aimpoint PRO & 1k rounds of GT to put through it. I got the T model; I don't care much for the MOE furniture on the & I'd just end up changing it anyhow, and the brake didn't seem to be worth the extra money. I can always put whatever I want on the end of it. Still need to decide on some iron sights, though. Kinda wish H&K wasn't so damn proud of their MR556 rear sight; I could pretty much buy a matched set of flip front & rear sights for what they're asking for that thing. But it does look cool. I kinda wanna replace the rail with either a quad-rail and have a quasi-SR47, or just drop in some Apex ones. Probably the quad rail. But that's after I shoot the crap out of it. |
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I've only run a couple hundred rounds through it, but so far it's been perfect. |
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Maybe the KS-47 from Palmetto will be able to manage that. It is built to use a standard AR upper and bolt which might result in more bolt failure, however the 5.45x39 does have a slightly smaller bolt face than the 7.62, so maybe that wont be a problem. Going with the palmetto certainly increases the parts options. View Quote Or not. One YouYube video calls Adam from Palmetto out on his numerous quotes saying a 7.62x39 AR upper would fit their lower, but it won't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv4IBPIzBwM The AK mag won't even fit in an AR upper receiver. So no way is it going to work with anyone else's x39 AR upper. |
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Or not. One YouYube video calls Adam from Palmetto out on his numerous quotes saying a 7.62x39 AR upper would fit their lower, but it won't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv4IBPIzBwM The AK mag won't even fit in an AR upper receiver. So no way is it going to work with anyone else's x39 AR upper. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe the KS-47 from Palmetto will be able to manage that. It is built to use a standard AR upper and bolt which might result in more bolt failure, however the 5.45x39 does have a slightly smaller bolt face than the 7.62, so maybe that wont be a problem. Going with the palmetto certainly increases the parts options. Or not. One YouYube video calls Adam from Palmetto out on his numerous quotes saying a 7.62x39 AR upper would fit their lower, but it won't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv4IBPIzBwM The AK mag won't even fit in an AR upper receiver. So no way is it going to work with anyone else's x39 AR upper. I'm pretty sure this youtube guy got it backwards. I thought PSA stated that the KS47 Upper will work with a standard AR47 lower. Not vise versa? |
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MUTANT VIDEO <a href="https://flic.kr/p/KQVszY" target="_blank">https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8870/28776963202_ff2d89ed5f_h.jpg</a> IMG_9859 by 556 Channel (HD), on Flickr View Quote Thanks for the Vid. I got in some trigger time on my AKS13 Mutant this weekend. Like it more everytime I shoot it. |
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So the Croatian bolt hold open mags Will not Work?..??? View Quote None of the six I had would function properly, the magazine catch lug was located too low on the body. You'd have to lay one over a known good Euro pattern mag to be sure; if the lug is in the same spot you're GTG, but if it sits lower you'll likely have either double feeds or an almost-double feed like I was getting. It isn't a problem with the rifle, but rather with the variable dimensions of the different country's magazines. All of the Polish mags I got from AIM, for example, now run 100%. One had too thick paint and the other had a dent in the side of the mag body, but both of those got fixed right up. |
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None of the six I had would function properly, the magazine catch lug was located too low on the body. You'd have to lay one over a known good Euro pattern mag to be sure; if the lug is in the same spot you're GTG, but if it sits lower you'll likely have either double feeds or an almost-double feed like I was getting. It isn't a problem with the rifle, but rather with the variable dimensions of the different country's magazines. All of the Polish mags I got from AIM, for example, now run 100%. One had too thick paint and the other had a dent in the side of the mag body, but both of those got fixed right up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So the Croatian bolt hold open mags Will not Work?..??? None of the six I had would function properly, the magazine catch lug was located too low on the body. You'd have to lay one over a known good Euro pattern mag to be sure; if the lug is in the same spot you're GTG, but if it sits lower you'll likely have either double feeds or an almost-double feed like I was getting. It isn't a problem with the rifle, but rather with the variable dimensions of the different country's magazines. All of the Polish mags I got from AIM, for example, now run 100%. One had too thick paint and the other had a dent in the side of the mag body, but both of those got fixed right up. What am I missing here. A hold open Mag? Since there's no bolt stop, won't you have to pull the bolt back, release the mag, insert a new mag, then charge the weapon. That about It? I'm thinking that would add about 30% to my reload time. And I've owned a couple different AK'so and neither of them had a bolt hold open option. So someone help me out, have all the newer AKs got a bolt open design? |
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What am I missing here. A hold open Mag? Since there's no bolt stop, won't you have to pull the bolt back, release the mag, insert a new mag, then charge the weapon. That about It? I'm thinking that would add about 30% to my reload time. And I've owned a couple different AK'so and neither of them had a bolt hold open option. So someone help me out, have all the newer AKs got a bolt open design? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So the Croatian bolt hold open mags Will not Work?..??? None of the six I had would function properly, the magazine catch lug was located too low on the body. You'd have to lay one over a known good Euro pattern mag to be sure; if the lug is in the same spot you're GTG, but if it sits lower you'll likely have either double feeds or an almost-double feed like I was getting. It isn't a problem with the rifle, but rather with the variable dimensions of the different country's magazines. All of the Polish mags I got from AIM, for example, now run 100%. One had too thick paint and the other had a dent in the side of the mag body, but both of those got fixed right up. What am I missing here. A hold open Mag? Since there's no bolt stop, won't you have to pull the bolt back, release the mag, insert a new mag, then charge the weapon. That about It? I'm thinking that would add about 30% to my reload time. And I've owned a couple different AK'so and neither of them had a bolt hold open option. So someone help me out, have all the newer AKs got a bolt open design? It's not a BHO in the traditional sense like an AR has; the follower is just squared off on the back and it pops up higher when empty so the bolt hangs up on it. Basically it only really exists to let you know you have an empty mag without having to pull the trigger on an empty chamber. I actually prefer it this way. As far as the reload process goes, unless you do that weird Iraqi reload thing, it's just the same; the bolt locks back on empty, you rock the old mag out and the bolt goes fully forward itself when the mag comes out, put a fresh one in and run the charging handle. It's only very, very marginally slower than doing it with a regular magazine, even on the MK47. Although running the MK is by nature slightly slower than the AK simply because I have to shift the rifle to get the CH, not like an AK where I can just reach under/over the receiver and slingshot it. Some of the old Saiga sporters have a manual-activated BHO, like a 10/22, but it's basically worthless. And there was one actual AK variant with a LRBHO, the Yugo M64. Only problem was, for the LRBHO to work you had to specifically use M64 magazines, if you used other magazines it worked just like a regular AK. |
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