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Posted: 11/19/2009 6:57:21 PM
From speaking with customers, it seems BCM FSB taper pins are harder to remove than some others. When we do it here, we can knock the pins free in under 60 seconds.
Here are some basic pointers on the way we remove them. 1) It takes Two. You will need a buddy to hold the upper group stable as you pound out the pins. You will not be able to get a good concentrated force on the pins if the upper is wobbling around (even a little bit). 2) Action Jackson. You will need a couple of action blocks (see Brownells for a good selection). These will be great platforms to stabilize the barrel. Also get the Brownells FSB block. You may have to mod the shape of the FSB block if using a free float. 3) Installed from starboard side. Milspec FSB are drill and the reamed for taper pins. The reamer runs from the right to the left (pointing the muzzle at the bad guy). So BCM pins need to be removed from left to right. Cannot be done the opposite way. 4) Secure that carbine. Using action blocks and the buddy system secure the upper group so the left side is facing up. 5) Get a fat one. We do not use those small radius head punches to break the pins free. We use a much fatter punch (5/16”). It’s a meaty sucker. Lots to hang on to, and enables you to put some force on the hammer. Using a 5/16” punch and a 12oz hammer, give her a smack. Anywhere between 1 and 6 smacks, and the pin moves. All you want to do is to get it to move to about flush. 6) Grab a skinny one. Now get the tiny little 1/8” punch to push the pins out of the FSB. They are already broken free, this just drives the fully out. Tap, tap, tap. 7) Celebrate. You are done. Do the banana dance.
Hope this info helps... Thanks! Paul |
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Posted: 11/19/2009 7:54:28 PM
[Last Edit: 11/19/2009 7:54:58 PM by 87GN]
Worked for me, took a little longer because I didn't want to ding it up, and don't have as much practice at it...Having a second person helped out big time compared to when I did it by myself.
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Posted: 1/18/2010 6:10:24 PM
I had to figure this out on my own. I had a bear of a time getting those pins out. Next time I order an upper Ill be all set.
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Posted: 3/17/2010 12:08:16 PM
This doesn't specifically relate to BCM's but here are a couple of things I have found help in removing taper pins. The bench that you are working on needs to be heavy and solid. If you don't have a heavy solid bench to work on then you might be better off doing this on a concrete floor? The second thing is if you don't have someone to hold the barrel, a clamp works just as well if not better but again this assumes you have a solid bench to clamp it to. Lastly I personally have had better luck with the trim nail punch with the dimpled head. I find that with that type of punch, the punch doesn't slip off the pin. Now that I'm not worried about the punch slipping off the pin, I feel much more comfortable really wacking it with the hammer.
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Posted: 4/5/2010 2:01:59 PM
I have found that the best surface to support the FSB is my vice...here is how it works-
You aren't pinching the FSB, just using the jaws in place of a block to support the FSB. Open it so that the Bayonet lug and sling mount are resting solidly on the bottom and the upper portionof the FSB is on the other jaw. Pins are in the open. While a buddy holds it solidly, whack it...done. Note- You want to cover the tops of the jaws with some tape or you will get marks on your FSB. Nothing a little cold blue won't fix though... |
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Posted: 4/26/2010 3:03:14 PM
Hello,
I have spent the last TWO WHOLE HOURS trying to remove my pins. I have carefully read and understood the orginal post. I had even measured the OD of each side of the FSB pins just make sure I have been hitting the correct side. Believe me it's great you guys make a tough rifle but honestly this is seriously over kill. I have tried calling to ask for help, but of course nobody to answer the damn phone. Please contact me, I'd like to send back my upper. |
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Posted: 4/26/2010 10:44:49 PM
[Last Edit: 7/16/2011 4:03:07 PM by bud7h7]
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Posted: 4/26/2010 10:48:37 PM
Originally Posted By Colt_sporter:
Hello, I have spent the last TWO WHOLE HOURS trying to remove my pins. I have carefully read and understood the orginal post. I had even measured the OD of each side of the FSB pins just make sure I have been hitting the correct side. Believe me it's great you guys make a tough rifle but honestly this is seriously over kill. I have tried calling to ask for help, but of course nobody to answer the damn phone. Please contact me, I'd like to send back my upper. You don't need to send back an upper for taper pin removal. Just get a bigger hammer (like a 3 pounder) and a punch with a large face. Have someone else help you hold it and use the open jaws of a vice for a bench block with the pins in the open part and the FSB and Bayonet Lug resting on the jaws. Then give the pins a few good solid whacks and they will move. If that gets sticky, apply heat from a tourch to the pins. Some penetrating oil might help a bit. BCM pins are too tight IMO but it isn't a show stopper. |
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Posted: 4/27/2010 1:15:21 AM
Just get a bigger hammer (like a 3 pounder) and a punch with a large face.
What happens if they're so tight all you do is flatten the pin so it's now wider than the hole? Then you're in real trouble. What you need is a good nail punch with the cupped tip so it won't flatten the pins. LOL, I get pissed just thinking about messing with it. They ARE too tight. They're more like seized up. Are these more "hard core" than regular tight pins? The tighter your pins are the more high speed you are? |
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Posted: 4/27/2010 7:20:17 AM
[Last Edit: 4/27/2010 7:21:36 AM by Colt_sporter]
Yeah. no I'm sending it back, they want something so damn tight folks can't work on them, then they can do it themselves. I had the bbl in my vise, it (the bbl) wasn't moving. Those suckers are siezed.
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Posted: 4/27/2010 2:04:11 PM
Originally Posted By bud7h7:
Just get a bigger hammer (like a 3 pounder) and a punch with a large face.
What happens if they're so tight all you do is flatten the pin so it's now wider than the hole? Then you're in real trouble. What you need is a good nail punch with the cupped tip so it won't flatten the pins. LOL, I get pissed just thinking about messing with it. They ARE too tight. They're more like seized up. Are these more "hard core" than regular tight pins? The tighter your pins are the more high speed you are? You won't flatten the pins. They are uber hard...much harder than the FSB. Paul is right in his steps to removing them. Once I did it his way, I had pins out in short order. It really isn' t that hard once you figure out how. You just have to get them moving and then they slide out. The BFH, Solid Surface, partner to hold the upper steady, and big faced pin are the keys. It just isn't something you can improvise. You can't kitchen table gunshith those pins...you have to do it right. They are too tight though. You can work them...but they shouldn't be that tight. |
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Posted: 4/27/2010 10:27:29 PM
Well I tried again today. Once I started flattening my steel punch set, I said enough is enough. BCM doesn't like answering the phone. So I sent it off to ADCO. Shame. Oh-well Lesson learned.
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Posted: 5/17/2010 9:11:27 PM
Originally Posted By Colt_sporter:
Well I tried again today. Once I started flattening my steel punch set, I said enough is enough. BCM doesn't like answering the phone. So I sent it off to ADCO. Shame. Oh-well Lesson learned. I had the same problem with my middy. flattened a few punches and did the whole deal on a concrete floor with help. Moved up to a small sledge and still no go. I worked for years slinging a sledge on tracks and heavy machinery, so I knew when to give. I emailed Bravo and they replied in a few HOURS and had me send it off to them. They cleaned up all my goobers to the point I thought they sent me a new upper and packaged everything up and sent me another hat. I was happy with their work and it turned out fine. I can't get the taper pins as far in as they originally were, but they are still tighter than any other AR I've worked on. |
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Posted: 5/30/2010 11:34:14 PM
I found this tool to be helpful when removing the front sight base from a Bushmaster barrel. The front sight base did have standard taper pins. I did soak the pins with penetrating oil before I started.
Taper Pin Starter I also used the Brownells FSB block. |
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Posted: 5/31/2010 10:58:29 PM
Originally Posted By doctorfireant:
I found this tool to be helpful when removing the front sight base from a Bushmaster barrel. The front sight base did have standard taper pins. I did soak the pins with penetrating oil before I started. Taper Pin Starter I also used the Brownells FSB block. I flattened one of those on my bcm |
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Posted: 6/5/2010 6:26:53 PM
Is It possible to order the uppers from Bravo with the pins already knocked out?
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Posted: 6/9/2010 6:57:39 PM
Negative, I contacted BCM and asked that question about leaving the pins out. Was told no, they can't do that.
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Posted: 6/10/2010 6:42:27 AM
I guess we will see. I ordered an upper, and request the pins be knocked out in the comment line. Should arrive tomorrow.
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Posted: 6/11/2010 5:50:39 PM
Update. Upper arrived today. Not only were the taper pins removed, the front site base, pins and flash hider were all packaged seporately. And I even like my free hat.
Thank you BCM for your attention to detail. Many orders to follow. |
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Posted: 6/14/2010 2:51:12 AM
Originally Posted By doctorfireant:
I found this tool to be helpful when removing the front sight base from a Bushmaster barrel. The front sight base did have standard taper pins. I did soak the pins with penetrating oil before I started. Taper Pin Starter I also used the Brownells FSB block. The brownells block is crap. I know everybody has one...but it sucks bad. The surface in the cut out is FLAT....barrel isn't flat...FSB isn't flat...so how would a flat surface securely hold a round barrel? It doesn't. ADCO has one that is light years better...it is hard black plastic that cradles the FSB. I think Midway might as well...much better than the POS from brownells. |
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Posted: 7/8/2010 11:17:17 AM
Originally Posted By LockingBlock: Originally Posted By doctorfireant: I found this tool to be helpful when removing the front sight base from a Bushmaster barrel. The front sight base did have standard taper pins. I did soak the pins with penetrating oil before I started. Taper Pin Starter I also used the Brownells FSB block. The brownells block is crap. I know everybody has one...but it sucks bad. The surface in the cut out is FLAT....barrel isn't flat...FSB isn't flat...so how would a flat surface securely hold a round barrel? It doesn't. ADCO has one that is light years better...it is hard black plastic that cradles the FSB. I think Midway might as well...much better than the POS from brownells. Agree - I have a brownells, and it sucks. I still was able to get the pins out of my BCM uppers (by myself), but god it was painful. |
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Posted: 7/13/2010 3:15:28 PM
Hmmm... maybe I just got lucky, but the key to the whole thing seems to be to use an oversized punch to tap the pins flat with the FSB. From there, they came out easily with the correct sized punch, they are taper pins after all. I supported the barrel fore and aft the barrel, and under the FSB (where there were no pins) and had no trouble.
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Posted: 8/10/2010 6:37:36 PM
Working on mine as we speak. Can't seem to get it to bulge. It's in the freezer right now and then I'll try again.
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Posted: 8/10/2010 8:51:06 PM
Freezing, oil...it doesn't help.
You just have to have a perfect block (not the brownells one), a BIG hammer, and a BIG punch. You have to drive the pin hard and straight with all the energy going to the pin, not the FSB. |
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Posted: 8/30/2010 6:22:18 PM
So if the pins are peening my punches and heating did squat, I should just give up right?
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Posted: 9/1/2010 6:39:32 PM
My BCM pins came out after just a reasonable amount of effort. I used a nail set, a Brownells FSB block with some custom Dremel cuts to fit better, a small ball peen hammer, and an action block wrapped around the upper receiver and taped in place. Against the concrete floor of my garage, I had both pins out in 15 minutes.
For you guys using punches, maybe switching to a nail set is in order... |
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