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Those of us that had follower problems rectified with replacements, I have a little test that I did that helped me determine what the problem could be,use your finger and depress the mag and let the follower up slowly,the bad followers on mine feel gritty,the new ones they sent me feel as smooth as my gen 3 30 rounders View Quote The new ones seem to have the front leg flush,my old ones had a little raised V shape where the front nub stop is |
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I bought a bunch of M3 20 and 30 rounders after prices went back to normal this past winter. I was able to take them out for the first time today. I had this exact same problem with multiple 30 rounders as well as with a couple 20 rounders. It looks like the top two rounds wedge next to each other (by themselves without any manipulation from me) and prevent the magazine from locking into the rifle. A Google search of the issue led me to this thread. I've done my best to try to recreate the problem in my M2's, but have been unable to do so - this problem seems limited to my M3's. Basically I now have zero faith in any of my M3's, be they 20 or 30 rounders.
Has anyone at Magpul recognized and addressed this issue in 30 rounders? EDIT: The ammunition being used was Hornady TAP Urban 55gr. |
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I bought a bunch of M3 20 and 30 rounders after prices went back to normal this past winter. I was able to take them out for the first time today. I had this exact same problem with multiple 30 rounders as well as with a couple 20 rounders. It looks like the top two rounds wedge next to each other (by themselves without any manipulation from me) and prevent the magazine from locking into the rifle. A Google search of the issue led me to this thread. I've done my best to try to recreate the problem in my M2's, but have been unable to do so - this problem seems limited to my M3's. Basically I now have zero faith in any of my M3's, be they 20 or 30 rounders. Has anyone at Magpul recognized and addressed this issue in 30 rounders? EDIT: The ammunition being used was Hornady TAP Urban 55gr. View Quote I don't think anybody has had this happen in the M3 30's. The M3 20's yes they have had problems but the M3 30's absolutely not they have been flawless. |
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So, after messing with this a little bit, I've found the following regarding the M3 30's and this ammo (Hornady TAP Urban 55gr):
-I CAN regularly recreate the problem using M3 30's and the TAP Urban 55gr. I tried it with several different boxes of this ammo and all have the same result. I am not directly physically manipulating the ammo to make this happen (ie I'm not pulling up on the tip of the second round as was discussed earlier in this thread). Simply inserting and removing the loaded magazine a time or two regularly results in the top two rounds ending up side-by-side enough to prevent insertion of the magazine into the mag well. It has also happened several times immediately after I loaded the magazines (and yes, I am loading them properly). This happens when the magazines are loaded with 30 rounds and also happens when the magazines are loaded with 29 or 28 rounds (the only derivations in round count I tried). This happens in two different rifles. -I can NOT recreate the problem using M2 30's and the TAP Urban 55gr -I can NOT recreate the problem using the very same M3 30's and any other ammo I have, including several types of Federal (.223 and 5.56) and a couple types of PMC (.223 and 5.56). So, as best I can figure, this is a problem with the M3 30's ONLY when combined with Hornady TAP Urban 55gr. No problem using it with the M2's. |
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So, after messing with this a little bit, I've found the following regarding the M3 30's and this ammo (Hornady TAP Urban 55gr): -I CAN regularly recreate the problem using M3 30's and the TAP Urban 55gr. I tried it with several different boxes of this ammo and all have the same result. I am not directly physically manipulating the ammo to make this happen (ie I'm not pulling up on the tip of the second round as was discussed earlier in this thread). Simply inserting and removing the loaded magazine a time or two regularly results in the top two rounds ending up side-by-side enough to prevent insertion of the magazine into the mag well. It has also happened several times immediately after I loaded the magazines (and yes, I am loading them properly). This happens when the magazines are loaded with 30 rounds and also happens when the magazines are loaded with 29 or 28 rounds (the only derivations in round count I tried). This happens in two different rifles. -I can NOT recreate the problem using M2 30's and the TAP Urban 55gr -I can NOT recreate the problem using the very same M3 30's and any other ammo I have, including several types of Federal (.223 and 5.56) and a couple types of PMC (.223 and 5.56). So, as best I can figure, this is a problem with the M3 30's ONLY when combined with Hornady TAP Urban 55gr. No problem using it with the M2's. View Quote Very interesting, and I'm not sure what could be going on there. Please contact our Tech Support Dept. to arrange for replacements to try. [email protected] |
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Very interesting, and I'm not sure what could be going on there. Please contact our Tech Support Dept. to arrange for replacements to try. [email protected] View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So, after messing with this a little bit, I've found the following regarding the M3 30's and this ammo (Hornady TAP Urban 55gr): -I CAN regularly recreate the problem using M3 30's and the TAP Urban 55gr. I tried it with several different boxes of this ammo and all have the same result. I am not directly physically manipulating the ammo to make this happen (ie I'm not pulling up on the tip of the second round as was discussed earlier in this thread). Simply inserting and removing the loaded magazine a time or two regularly results in the top two rounds ending up side-by-side enough to prevent insertion of the magazine into the mag well. It has also happened several times immediately after I loaded the magazines (and yes, I am loading them properly). This happens when the magazines are loaded with 30 rounds and also happens when the magazines are loaded with 29 or 28 rounds (the only derivations in round count I tried). This happens in two different rifles. -I can NOT recreate the problem using M2 30's and the TAP Urban 55gr -I can NOT recreate the problem using the very same M3 30's and any other ammo I have, including several types of Federal (.223 and 5.56) and a couple types of PMC (.223 and 5.56). So, as best I can figure, this is a problem with the M3 30's ONLY when combined with Hornady TAP Urban 55gr. No problem using it with the M2's. Very interesting, and I'm not sure what could be going on there. Please contact our Tech Support Dept. to arrange for replacements to try. [email protected] When I have some time, probably this weekend, I'm going to try this ammo in the rest of my M3's, including a 40 rounder, and see if I have the same issue. After that, I'll report back here and send an email to Tech Support. |
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So, after messing with this a little bit, I've found the following regarding the M3 30's and this ammo (Hornady TAP Urban 55gr): -I CAN regularly recreate the problem using M3 30's and the TAP Urban 55gr. I tried it with several different boxes of this ammo and all have the same result. I am not directly physically manipulating the ammo to make this happen (ie I'm not pulling up on the tip of the second round as was discussed earlier in this thread). Simply inserting and removing the loaded magazine a time or two regularly results in the top two rounds ending up side-by-side enough to prevent insertion of the magazine into the mag well. It has also happened several times immediately after I loaded the magazines (and yes, I am loading them properly). This happens when the magazines are loaded with 30 rounds and also happens when the magazines are loaded with 29 or 28 rounds (the only derivations in round count I tried). This happens in two different rifles. -I can NOT recreate the problem using M2 30's and the TAP Urban 55gr -I can NOT recreate the problem using the very same M3 30's and any other ammo I have, including several types of Federal (.223 and 5.56) and a couple types of PMC (.223 and 5.56). So, as best I can figure, this is a problem with the M3 30's ONLY when combined with Hornady TAP Urban 55gr. No problem using it with the M2's. View Quote I haven't had the time I thought I would to mess with this this past week, but here is what I have done: This whole problem first came to my attention when I ejected an M3 loaded w/ 28 rounds of the TAP. When I went to re-insert the mag, I couldn't get it in. Basically, in order to recreate this I load the magazines up (I used 20 rounds in the 20's, 28 rounds in the 30's and 40, 39 and 38 rounds in the 40) and insert the magazine into the rifle on a closed bolt. I then eject the magazine and re-insert it. Ater doing this anywhere from 1x to 10x or so, the second round works its way up next to the first round (see picture). -I HAVE been able to recreate this w/ two of two M3 30's I've tried (see picture) using the TAP, and actually managed to get this to happen using a different kind of ammo (I don't have the packaging for it anymore, but it is some kind of Federal soft nose). -I could NOT recreate this with the only M3 40 I have -I COULD recreate this with four of four M3 20's. I'm planning on trying this with more of my M3 30's when I have more time and will update. Here is a picture of what is going on. This is from two different M3 30's. Top left = The Hornady TAP Urban 55gr in the magazine with the production code seen in the bottom left image. Top right = Unknown Federal soft nose in the same magazine Bottom left = The production code of the magazine used in the top pictures (NOTE: The exposure of this picture makes the mag *look* like it is FDE. It is not, it is Black) Bottom right = The production code of another M3 30 that I could recreate the problem with. http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx91/Rosewood1977/M330sJamming_zps2f5e8391.jpg |
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I haven't had the time I thought I would to mess with this this past week, but here is what I have done: This whole problem first came to my attention when I ejected an M3 loaded w/ 28 rounds of the TAP. When I went to re-insert the mag, I couldn't get it in. Basically, in order to recreate this I load the magazines up (I used 20 rounds in the 20's, 28 rounds in the 30's and 40, 39 and 38 rounds in the 40) and insert the magazine into the rifle on a closed bolt. I then eject the magazine and re-insert it. Ater doing this anywhere from 1x to 10x or so, the second round works its way up next to the first round (see picture). -I HAVE been able to recreate this w/ two of two M3 30's I've tried (see picture) using the TAP, and actually managed to get this to happen using a different kind of ammo (I don't have the packaging for it anymore, but it is some kind of Federal soft nose). -I could NOT recreate this with the only M3 40 I have -I COULD recreate this with four of four M3 20's. I'm planning on trying this with more of my M3 30's when I have more time and will update. Here is a picture of what is going on. This is from two different M3 30's. Top left = The Hornady TAP Urban 55gr in the magazine with the production code seen in the bottom left image. Top right = Unknown Federal soft nose in the same magazine Bottom left = The production code of the magazine used in the top pictures (NOTE: The exposure of this picture makes the mag *look* like it is FDE. It is not, it is Black) Bottom right = The production code of another M3 30 that I could recreate the problem with. http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx91/Rosewood1977/M330sJamming_zps2f5e8391.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So, after messing with this a little bit, I've found the following regarding the M3 30's and this ammo (Hornady TAP Urban 55gr): -I CAN regularly recreate the problem using M3 30's and the TAP Urban 55gr. I tried it with several different boxes of this ammo and all have the same result. I am not directly physically manipulating the ammo to make this happen (ie I'm not pulling up on the tip of the second round as was discussed earlier in this thread). Simply inserting and removing the loaded magazine a time or two regularly results in the top two rounds ending up side-by-side enough to prevent insertion of the magazine into the mag well. It has also happened several times immediately after I loaded the magazines (and yes, I am loading them properly). This happens when the magazines are loaded with 30 rounds and also happens when the magazines are loaded with 29 or 28 rounds (the only derivations in round count I tried). This happens in two different rifles. -I can NOT recreate the problem using M2 30's and the TAP Urban 55gr -I can NOT recreate the problem using the very same M3 30's and any other ammo I have, including several types of Federal (.223 and 5.56) and a couple types of PMC (.223 and 5.56). So, as best I can figure, this is a problem with the M3 30's ONLY when combined with Hornady TAP Urban 55gr. No problem using it with the M2's. I haven't had the time I thought I would to mess with this this past week, but here is what I have done: This whole problem first came to my attention when I ejected an M3 loaded w/ 28 rounds of the TAP. When I went to re-insert the mag, I couldn't get it in. Basically, in order to recreate this I load the magazines up (I used 20 rounds in the 20's, 28 rounds in the 30's and 40, 39 and 38 rounds in the 40) and insert the magazine into the rifle on a closed bolt. I then eject the magazine and re-insert it. Ater doing this anywhere from 1x to 10x or so, the second round works its way up next to the first round (see picture). -I HAVE been able to recreate this w/ two of two M3 30's I've tried (see picture) using the TAP, and actually managed to get this to happen using a different kind of ammo (I don't have the packaging for it anymore, but it is some kind of Federal soft nose). -I could NOT recreate this with the only M3 40 I have -I COULD recreate this with four of four M3 20's. I'm planning on trying this with more of my M3 30's when I have more time and will update. Here is a picture of what is going on. This is from two different M3 30's. Top left = The Hornady TAP Urban 55gr in the magazine with the production code seen in the bottom left image. Top right = Unknown Federal soft nose in the same magazine Bottom left = The production code of the magazine used in the top pictures (NOTE: The exposure of this picture makes the mag *look* like it is FDE. It is not, it is Black) Bottom right = The production code of another M3 30 that I could recreate the problem with. http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx91/Rosewood1977/M330sJamming_zps2f5e8391.jpg crap, did magpul also update 30rd mags after they found 20rd's problem? i now lost all confidence in gen3 |
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crap, did magpul also update 30rd mags after they found 20rd's problem? i now lost all confidence in gen3 View Quote All M3 molds were updated with the 20 round revision immediately to be consistent across line. This issue only occurred with certain ammo types and almost always in the 20 round version. Again anyone having any issues can send the mags to us for replacement. |
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All M3 molds were updated with the 20 round revision immediately to be consistent across line. This issue only occurred with certain ammo types and almost always in the 20 round version. Again anyone having any issues can send the mags to us for replacement. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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crap, did magpul also update 30rd mags after they found 20rd's problem? i now lost all confidence in gen3 All M3 molds were updated with the 20 round revision immediately to be consistent across line. This issue only occurred with certain ammo types and almost always in the 20 round version. Again anyone having any issues can send the mags to us for replacement. Is there a date code we need to be aware of that this problem is related to?? |
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All M3 molds were updated with the 20 round revision immediately to be consistent across line. This issue only occurred with certain ammo types and almost always in the 20 round version. Again anyone having any issues can send the mags to us for replacement. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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crap, did magpul also update 30rd mags after they found 20rd's problem? i now lost all confidence in gen3 All M3 molds were updated with the 20 round revision immediately to be consistent across line. This issue only occurred with certain ammo types and almost always in the 20 round version. Again anyone having any issues can send the mags to us for replacement. still pretty vague, what i read is all M3 (including 20rd and 30rd) mags are updated? 30rd mags do have problem with certain ammo types (which means it's a problem) and only ask for replacement if you have a problem? |
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still pretty vague, what i read is all M3 (including 20rd and 30rd) mags are updated? 30rd mags do have problem with certain ammo types (which means it's a problem) and only ask for replacement if you have a problem? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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crap, did magpul also update 30rd mags after they found 20rd's problem? i now lost all confidence in gen3 All M3 molds were updated with the 20 round revision immediately to be consistent across line. This issue only occurred with certain ammo types and almost always in the 20 round version. Again anyone having any issues can send the mags to us for replacement. still pretty vague, what i read is all M3 (including 20rd and 30rd) mags are updated? 30rd mags do have problem with certain ammo types (which means it's a problem) and only ask for replacement if you have a problem? We cannot go into detailed technical information on an open forum. In short the issue is pretty rare. The 20 round mag issue took over a month of testing different types of ammo just to be able to duplicate it. Once we identified the issue we saw the same condition possibility could happen with the 30 rounders but due to geometry differences it almost never did compared to the 20 rounders. We ran over 100,000 rounds of different ammo through the M3 30 rounders prior to their release without a single malfunction of this sort. For consistency across the M3 line we applied the M3 20round update to all M3 molds. |
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I have all M2's that work great in all of my AR's. Bought the new mags, severa M3 30's and a few 40's. These are hard to seat in all my AR's and on my main guns I've tried them in the BCG hangs on the magazine when you release it.
Any ideas? I'd say gun problem, but all other mags work fine. |
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If I am reading this correct then, date codes after 09/13 are gtg ? Any earlier may have issues with 2nd round and are harder to install on a closed bolt.? Where is the date code on the 20's ? On the follower ? I have a few and would like to check the date before using them agian. Thanks View Quote Does this include ones stamped 9/13...yes mine have the 7 circle too |
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I have the same problem with the second round rising up and keeping the mag from seating. First noticed this at the range when reloading with the bolt closed. Could not seat the mag. Seems to me that the lips are to flimsy or stretched. loaded with 28 rounds of speer le gold dot. I will try replacements to see if the problem was fixed. These are the gen3 30 round mags with date codes: 6/13 and gen2 30 round mags with date code: 7/13
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We cannot go into detailed technical information on an open forum. In short the issue is pretty rare. The 20 round mag issue took over a month of testing different types of ammo just to be able to duplicate it. Once we identified the issue we saw the same condition possibility could happen with the 30 rounders but due to geometry differences it almost never did compared to the 20 rounders. We ran over 100,000 rounds of different ammo through the M3 30 rounders prior to their release without a single malfunction of this sort. For consistency across the M3 line we applied the M3 20round update to all M3 molds. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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crap, did magpul also update 30rd mags after they found 20rd's problem? i now lost all confidence in gen3 All M3 molds were updated with the 20 round revision immediately to be consistent across line. This issue only occurred with certain ammo types and almost always in the 20 round version. Again anyone having any issues can send the mags to us for replacement. still pretty vague, what i read is all M3 (including 20rd and 30rd) mags are updated? 30rd mags do have problem with certain ammo types (which means it's a problem) and only ask for replacement if you have a problem? We cannot go into detailed technical information on an open forum. In short the issue is pretty rare. The 20 round mag issue took over a month of testing different types of ammo just to be able to duplicate it. Once we identified the issue we saw the same condition possibility could happen with the 30 rounders but due to geometry differences it almost never did compared to the 20 rounders. We ran over 100,000 rounds of different ammo through the M3 30 rounders prior to their release without a single malfunction of this sort. For consistency across the M3 line we applied the M3 20round update to all M3 molds. Lets be frank...the issue is not rare and I can duplicate it in 2 seconds with my four mags, gen2 and gen3 30 round mags with dates of 6/13 and 7/13 . How did it take you a month? You could run a billion rounds without a single malfunction. I'm not sure everyone is on the same page here. The problem is getting the mag to seat in the mag well. There are no problems after it is in there, so the comment "We ran over 100,000 rounds of different ammo through the M3 30 rounders prior to their release without a single malfunction of this sort" is not addressing the issue of the second round rising up when loading the mag. The issue of the second round rising up happens far less when you slowly insert the mag. This is probably the reason few have noticed the problem. Do it a bunch of times, not just once or twice. Insert the mag with speed and some force to duplicate the problem. When using speed and some force, I can get the mag to seat about every 1 in 10 attempts. Is this acceptable to anyone? I tried this with usgi mags and cant duplicate it after a hundred times. Never in all my years has this happened with metal mags, but the first trip to the range with the pmags this problem occurred. I hope this has been fixed. I am a Magpul customer and have Magpul everything. I will keep on buying Magpul products. Quality is top notch, but the mag lips need to be redesigned with metal lips. |
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I know I'm late to this discussion but I just found out that my Gen3 20rnd pmag does the same thing. At first I thought it might be the Tulammo I had in it but then I tried 3 others, Lake City XM193, Aquila, and some Hornady and got the same results. Couldn't get it to lock in and if I did, after firing the 1st round the second was FTF. Date code on mine is 7/13 with an 05 above it. Oh, this was in my BCM Jack Carbine that's pretty new also with maybe a 100 rounds through it.
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Contact customer service and they will swap it out for one of the new ones.
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Can someone from Magpul or anyone else that knows please post the date range of the affected mags? I have about 8 I need to check to make sure they aren't defective.
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So even if the early m3's do this (the second round pop up, like after dropping them on the ground feedlips-down), as long as they go into the closed bolt magwell, no problem right?
Is the revision just new followers? If so I would just want some new followers, I would buy them. |
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I bought 3 of these with the intent of using the mag limiters for hunting with my blackout. Much to my disappointment I couldn't get the limiters in without shaving some material away on the limiters. And the groove for the spring was too small for the spring to seat properly. I took the mags to the range and am having the same issues detailed in this thread with the mags not seating and not feeding correctly. I am a big magpul products fan, never had an issue with any other product of theirs. Sounds like I will need to contact their support line as well.
ETA ...if I am reading the date stamp correctly...it says it was made in Jan '14. With a 7 in the circle. Anybody else having issues with this date? |
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I bought 15 M3 20rd mags when they became available. They are 1-13 "circle 7". I had the problem with the jamming second round. I spoke to Daniel at Magpul tech support and he agreed to swap the mags. The replacement mags were the same 1-13 "circle 7" and they have the same problem. They have been sitting in the box for a while now. After reading this thread I spoke with Daniel again this morning. He said I had to send the mags in again this time at my own expense "because they had been replaced once". In an earlier reply you said you would make us happy. I am not happy, especially now I know there is a real fix. What should I do to resolve this issue? I want to swap the mags your standard way - you ship to me and I return on your label in your packaging. I own a lot of Magpul stuff and this is the first time I have had any issue with Magpul service. |
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Glad I found this thread. I can't seat my M3 20 rounders on a closed bolt either. Also, my rifle would FTE, and double feed if I touched the magazine while shooting. http://i58.tinypic.com/2hrhcn4.jpg I locked the bolt back to take the pic, but the bolt was up against the second round, going up the feed ramp. The magazine was not able to drop freely, I had to use a screw driver to extract the cartridges. I duplicated it four times at the range on Friday and felt like a moron. I was starting to think it was me, since I never had issues with M2 30 rounders. View Quote Fuck! That does look pretty bad. |
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SPQR-476: I bought 10 M3 20rd mags when they became available. They are 1-13 "circle 7". I had the problem with the jamming second round. I spoke to Daniel at Magpul tech support and he agreed to swap the mags. The replacement mags were the same 1-13 "circle 7" and they have the same problem. They have been sitting in the box for a while now. After reading this thread I spoke with Daniel again this morning. He said I had to send the mags in again this time at my own expense "because they had been replaced once". In an earlier reply you said you would make us happy. I am not happy, especially now I know there is a real fix. What should I do to resolve this issue? I want to swap the mags your standard way - you ship to me and I return on your label in your packaging. I own a lot of Magpul stuff and this is the first time I have had any issue with Magpul service. View Quote I talked to Dan. The Rev code 7 didn't exist until later in the year, so it's likely a slightly under-rotated 12-13, and not a 1-13. Regardless, if you are still having an issue WRT seating the magazine in the firearm due to a naturally occurring transposition of the top rounds, we'll be glad to swap them out. I will say that the transposition occurring by intentionally setting it up by prying is not an issue, or even occurring mildly on its own and self-correcting on insertion in a way that doesn't affect seating, and I can do it with just about anything. In fact, we did indeed do it or test it with just about every mag made in the development process and as part of continuing QC. If you read the thread on the transposition issue in general and my book-length response there, it explains what this is all about. Some of the early 20's were just a bit TOO loose in that respect-showing issues in a SMALL percentage of ammunition/firearm combinations, and we've replaced those, but some degree of nose freedom is indeed by design, and serves a purpose. I will caution that expecting to receive a magazine in which you cannot forcibly pry up the second round is not realistic, and would require violation of the design intent of the magazine, decreasing feeding reliability. A magazine that does not naturally develop a transposition through use or normal handling that would then create an inability to seat or an extraordinarily high seating force is what you should expect. Forcing a transposition by intentionally prying the second round and then having problems is not an issue, as that can be recreated with anything, and doesn't occur normally as part of using the magazine. I wouldn't say this was good to go if my team and I hadn't spent days on the range and thousands of rounds validating this, apart and independent from our normal test team. I would never allow products to leave here if I thought there was an issue that would affect safety, and we vetted this thoroughly. That being said, if you are still seeing issues in the gun, then we'll swap them. If you send Dan an e-mail with your address, number of mags, etc., and reference this conversation, we can indeed get you new mags of the latest production in the normal swap procedure. He doesn't have your information handy, so shoot it to him if you would like to get this rolling. |
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Thank you for your prompt response. I have come to expect nothing less from Magpul I will email Daniel.
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spqr-476. I have three 20 round mags that have to be forced to seat. And after I can finally get them to lock they absolutely refuse to feed correctly. All in a Spikes lower circa 2011. These are all m3 mags stamped with a 14 on the arrow that points to a 1 with a 07 in an indented circle above. Is this a unique issue with this particular date stamp? I have exactly the same feed issues as pictured just a few posts back. Never once had an issue with the 15 rev m mags I have been using for the last couple years.
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