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I got an email from Magpul yesterday, and they said they are still working on it but it may be a few weeks before they get everything taken care of. They are having trouble duplicating the problem some of us are having, however, those of us that are having problems will be taken care of. I myself have the same issues with both the M3 20 round mags as well as the M3 30 round mags. I don't want to paraphrase what was told to me in the email, but rest assured we will all be continued happy magpul customers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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MAGPUL any further update? Can you share with us exactly what was causing these round stacking problems on the 20 round M3 magazines and why it did not effect the 10 or 30 round M3 magazines? Just curious here & I would like to thank you for looking into this problem so quickly and actually listening to us ARFCOM members who religiously use MAGPUL products. Not many manufacturers listen to their customers as well as your company and for this I think MAGPUL will be blessed with a very successful company in the future and your best advertisement will be word of mouth. I got an email from Magpul yesterday, and they said they are still working on it but it may be a few weeks before they get everything taken care of. They are having trouble duplicating the problem some of us are having, however, those of us that are having problems will be taken care of. I myself have the same issues with both the M3 20 round mags as well as the M3 30 round mags. I don't want to paraphrase what was told to me in the email, but rest assured we will all be continued happy magpul customers. Sounds like good news....I'm sure MAGPUL will make it 100 percent right. OKMedic I'm surprised you are having the same problem on both the 20 and 30 round M3's. I'm only having the problem with the 20 rd M3 where the bullet of the second rounds rides up in the magazine and locks parallel with the top round locking up the magazine and making a reload of a loaded magazine on a closed bolt impossible. This does not happen all the time but it happens enough to consider it a problem. My 30 rounders have not done this. What exactly are your magazines doing? John |
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How do we know if we have bad mags? Date code range?
I was going to rivet/epoxy some 20 rd magazine rebuild kits into 10 rounders, but I'll hold off until further notice.. |
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I still am having this issue but it's random and only with 20 rounder M3s. Still waiting on a fix and directions to get them replaced. Thanks Magpul for your attention to this matter
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Magpul any update?
Is MAGPUL replacing the magazines that have problems? Are newly manufactured Gen3 20rd magazines fixed? If yes...what was it that actually caused the above posted problems? Did this problem effect the Gen3 30rd magazines also? Thanks John |
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I contacted, Troy Johnson at Magpul tech services told him of the problems I was having. The reply was send him my contact information which I did.
A couple of days later I received new M3-20 mags with the date code of 07-9. So far I have had Zero problems. Mags insert very easly with no force required. The nose of the second round does not point up. released and inserted the mag several times without having to use any force at all . loaded three mag 20 each rapid fire all three no jams. RJ |
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MAGPUL any update ?
This post has been going on since April. It's been 6 Months and we are just looking for guidance. How and who should we contact at MAGPUL for replacement M3 20rd mag's for those of us that have had problems with the 1st batch of 20 round M3's. Thanks John |
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mine are dated 07/13 and are tough to lock in magwell with bolt closed. have to slam it and half the time, the 2nd round rides up preventing the mag to sit. no noticeable denting of brass casing, however.
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MAGPUL any update ? This post has been going on since April. It's been 6 Months and we are just looking for guidance. How and who should we contact at MAGPUL for replacement M3 20rd mag's for those of us that have had problems with the 1st batch of 20 round M3's. Thanks John View Quote Contact customer service and we'll swap them out. Changes have been integrated. |
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Magpul took care of it all. Replaced all my mags I was having problems with. Thanks to the fellas at Magpul..
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" Changes have been integrated."
Those of you that have had these mags replaced: What is the date code on your new mags? |
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How do we know if we have bad mags? Date code range? I was going to rivet/epoxy some 20 rd magazine rebuild kits into 10 rounders, but I'll hold off until further notice.. View Quote |
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do we have a documented resolution for this problem yet? the problem first appeared with date code of 03-2013 and we are still hearing of problems with date codes produced months later
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Number 7 in the big circle and manufacture date of 09/13 has the updates to correct the issue
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Are the changes to the bodies or the followers? Reason I ask is I talked to CS regarding my issues with the mags and they are swapping followers, not mags. Upon getting the new followers, I couldn't visually detect a single difference.
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It would be quite hard to visually detect any difference, due to the extremely minimal adjustment that was necessary.
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Okay, the new 20-rounders have a new follower. Does this same new follower now also come in the other capacity PMAGs? This doesn't make a lot of logical sense. If the issue was in fact with the follower, then why did only the 20-rd PMAGs have the problem? Sounds like we need to take a closer look at the other PMAGs now, to ensure they do not have the same issue since they have the same problematic followers in them.
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Okay, the new 20-rounders have a new follower. Does this same new follower now also come in the other capacity PMAGs? This doesn't make a lot of logical sense. If the issue was in fact with the follower, then why did only the 20-rd PMAGs have the problem? Sounds like we need to take a closer look at the other PMAGs now, to ensure they do not have the same issue since they have the same problematic followers in them. View Quote Get right on that. I am sure Magpul does not know what they are doing. |
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Get right on that. I am sure Magpul does not know what they are doing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Okay, the new 20-rounders have a new follower. Does this same new follower now also come in the other capacity PMAGs? This doesn't make a lot of logical sense. If the issue was in fact with the follower, then why did only the 20-rd PMAGs have the problem? Sounds like we need to take a closer look at the other PMAGs now, to ensure they do not have the same issue since they have the same problematic followers in them. Get right on that. I am sure Magpul does not know what they are doing. wasn't implying that at all, just need to understand it for myself as this is an important concern for me - maybe not for you |
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So what if one lives in a 16+ rd ban state. Can I have my defective 20's swapped, legally?
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It would be quite hard to visually detect any difference, due to the extremely minimal adjustment that was necessary. View Quote Sounds good! I was just really good at those "spot the difference" puzzles when I was a kid and this one had me stumped I couldn't recall hearing whether or not it was a change to the body or the follower, and from the sound of it in this thread, I assumed it was the body. Glad to hear its a simple follower swap! |
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can we just ship the followers in for replacement or do we need to send the entire magazine?
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Received my ten replacement PMAGs, but only three were correct date code:(
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To save me reading thru this big thread, can someone let me know before what date these are having problems, and or when the revised mag/follower started to appear.
I have 5 of these mags and only one opened and although it has ran fine except once just wanted to know. thnx |
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Quoted: To save me reading thru this big thread, can someone let me know before what date these are having problems, and or when the revised mag/follower started to appear. I have 5 of these mags and only one opened and although it has ran fine except once just wanted to know. thnx View Quote |
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I've tried contacting them a twice. I'm going to call next, at least I'll get ahold of someone.
I have two 20 mags that are early mags date codes 03/2013 and 01/2013. I'm pretty dang broke right now , anyone that's had mags replaced. Does magpul send you out a box or just replace them? |
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I've tried contacting them a twice. I'm going to call next, at least I'll get ahold of someone. I have two 20 mags that are early mags date codes 03/2013 and 01/2013. I'm pretty dang broke right now , anyone that's had mags replaced. Does magpul send you out a box or just replace them? View Quote E-mail your shipping information and quantity you are returning. Magpul will ship out replacements along with a shipping label. Use the same box. RJ |
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Ok I've done it. Emailed them though here and though my gmail. So I hope they got it and are just busy.
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i've tried emailing the customer service regarding the mags last week and have yet to hear back. anyway i can get in touch with someone about replacement? (specifically, if i can ship the followers in for exchange instead of the entire mag. would save on shipping from my end unless magpul covers it.)
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Is anyone else having this problem with 30rd mags? Seems like there was 1 or 2 people in this thread and maybe a handful of others across the web. I bought two M3 30rders as soon as they came out, so they are early production and they have the EXACT same issue, 2nd round is almooost flopping around, and tends to go nose up just by pulling it out of a mag pouch.
My Gen 2 30's and 20's don't do this. I recently got two new Gen 3 20's (9/13 date code), that don't have this problem, the 2nd round is very solidly in place, just like Gen 2 mags. So it makes me think the two 30rd Gen 3's i have are screwed up..... Is Magpul going to exchange Gen 3 30rd mags that have this issue? I will get the date codes of my two 30 rd mags tonight. |
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Both of my gen 3 30rd's are dated 5/13.
Some observations, on the 30's, i can induce the 2nd round nose up just by pushing the rounds down an inch and letting them pop back up, happens every single time. 20's don't have this happen. Another interesting thing, the feed lips on the 30's are much "softer" than the 20's. If you squeeze the mag right where those two little nubs are inside the magazine, the 30's are MUCH more flexible than the 20's. My buddy at work compared them and had the same observation, 30rd feed lips seem much softer than the 20's. I think thats what is causing the problem because squeezing the mag just a little stops the 2nd round pop up thing. |
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Yes, I've seen that the 30-rd mags allow upward slope movement of the second round. However, I have not seen where the rounds jam up together, have cycling issues or fail to insert on a closed bolt. I don't undertand why though, as you can see previous posts that make it sound as if the Follower needed to be redesigned to resolve the problem with the 20-rd mags. If this is true and the other mags have same follower, then it leads us to think all of the early M4 mags would have same issue
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So my question is.... if the 20's are now just shorter 30's, shouldnt the feed lip/straight area be the same? Why would one be a lot more flexible than the other?
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I received my replacement 11/2013 date coded 20 round Gen 3's. I have had no issues seating them on a closed bolt. They are much easier and smoother to seat than those from January and March that I returned. The 2nd from the top round no longer noses up at the front preventing the magazine from locking on a closed bolt. The rounds move very little if any during seating unlike before. I have only tested 10, but no issues with any of them. I tested 10 of the magazines that I returned and all 10 had the issue of the 2nd from the top round nosing up. It looks like the changes have taken care of the issue for me. I am pleased with Magpul for taking these issues seriously and apparently correcting them.
In regards to the 30 round Gen 3's, I have also experienced the 2nd round from the top nosing up making seating on a closed bolt difficult. Due to less tension on the spring than the 20 rounders, I have been able to get them to lock after the round tilts so far. However, they require much more force than my new replacement 20 rounders. These magazines were purchased in October and December of last year. I too would like to know if the same changes incorporated into the 20 round magazines have been or will be incorporated in the 30 round magazines. I have emailed Magpul customer service. |
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PrinzEugen, my findings with the M3 30-rd mags are the same as yours. I have not witnessed one failure to insert on a closed bolt, so I see no reason to return them at this time.
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I joined this site to search for this exact problem that I am now experiencing. I recently purchased five gen3 Magpul PMAG 20 round magazines online and they don't work in either of my ARs. I believe they may even be creating potentially unsafe firing conditions.
First, in my Noveske, I can barely seat the magazine in the magwell without a significant hit (as demonstrated by others on this thread). I've confirmed the trigger guard isn't getting in the way of the magazine. The real problem however is that when I chamber the first round, the magazine feeds the round in such a way that the bullet is physically ripped out from the brass, damaging both in turn. This happens with 6 different ammo types (3 retail, 3 reload) and I do not have this problem with gen 1/2 pmag 20s. I've been using this rifle happily for years in fact. Next, on my Spikes Tactical, the behavior is similar but different. Rounds appear to be feeding without a problem as they fire and strike the target. However, when I open the rifle to inspect and clean, inside the lower receiver all around the trigger assembly there is a massive amount of brass shavings. I mean a LOT of brass shavings - enough that I thought someone dumped a lot of sand in the receiver at first. Confusing. Upon inspecting the ejected brass cartridges, I can see that there's quite a bit of shaving going on. Another poster showed the dent in his round, on this rifle it's more like a very heavy scrape. Clearly it's another feeding issue though. I do not have this problem with any ammo using any other magazines in this rifle (including older PMAGs). I suppose it's possible the Spikes Tactical is more forgiving than the Noveske, but still both problematic. . I'm not sure what to do next - I like the design of these mags but I'm out the cost of five unless Magpul will take them back to inspect and/or replace. Magpul, will you PM me? This is scary stuff. Thanks. |
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Is there a date stamp range of the affected 20rd M3 mags. I bought 10 when they first came out and haven't shot any yet. Is there a way to tell without going out and shooting them?
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I posted the manufacture date above, showing date when problem mags were corrected. If you have affected date pmags, you need to email or call them. Don't expect them to come looking for you! They took good care of me and the problem
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If I am reading this correct then, date codes after 09/13 are gtg ? Any earlier may have issues with 2nd round
and are harder to install on a closed bolt.? Where is the date code on the 20's ? On the follower ? I have a few and would like to check the date before using them agian. Thanks |
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If I am reading this correct then, date codes after 09/13 are gtg ? Any earlier may have issues with 2nd round and are harder to install on a closed bolt.? Where is the date code on the 20's ? On the follower ? I have a few and would like to check the date before using them agian. Thanks View Quote Correct but also make sure there's a number 7 in the large circle. Not sure what this means, possibly a revision number |
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Picked up 6 mags, (M00-13F10A/ #5 in the circle), and have a weird problem. Every so often when I slap a mag in on bolt-lock, the top round either pops completely out of the mag or comes partially out of the mag with the tip end putting up at an angle. I only used three out of the six mags and was not able to narrow it down to a specific mag but it did occur enough for me to pay attention to it at every reload to prevent a jam and bullet damage. No problems at all with gen1 and gen2 30rd pmags...
Armalite M15A4 20" upper with a Aero lower, my service rifle. |
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If I am reading this correct then, date codes after 09/13 are gtg ? Any earlier may have issues with 2nd round and are harder to install on a closed bolt.? Where is the date code on the 20's ? On the follower ? I have a few and would like to check the date before using them agian. Thanks View Quote I think: From looking at my mags, under the large circle with a number inside of it you have what looks like a clock. The tiny outer numbers represents the month of manufacture, and the year should be the number in the middle. Applies to the 20's and 30's, maybe all their mags? |
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I have the same problem. I have tried all of the suggestions listed so far and nothing has worked (Stag Arms Lower, Mil Spec BCG). My GEN M3 mag will not completely seat in my lower. I have an email out to Magpul so hopefully they will get back to me soon. I have read some of the differences between the M2's and the M3's and for my purposes they are not that significant. I may just buy all of the M2's I can find...
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I guess this is why M2 20 rd Pmags go for so much money on gunbroker now. Magpul needs to run a batch of these again..
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Those of us that had follower problems rectified with replacements, I have a little test that I did that helped me determine what the problem could be,use your finger and depress the mag and let the follower up slowly,the bad followers on mine feel gritty,the new ones they sent me feel as smooth as my gen 3 30 rounders
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Anyone get an answer from Magpul on this? Magpul has not responded to my email either.
Is it a faulty follower? Has anyone been able to fix the issue on their own? |
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