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Posted: 5/3/2009 12:12:26 AM
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So MAGPUL is bushmaster only doing the military verison and Remington the civilian version?
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Posted: 5/3/2009 12:28:28 AM
Remington and Bushmaster are the same company these days, aren't they?
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Posted: 5/3/2009 12:44:44 AM
Its still the Magpul Masada no matter who they have make it for which market.
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Posted: 5/3/2009 12:51:01 AM
They're different brands owned by the same company.

In RE: the picture I'm not seeing the ambi charging handle. The last iteration I saw, I thought it had a 'true ambidextrous' handle (ie: one on each side). And it looks like they photoshopped something off the rail, just above the laser and below the charging handle slot.
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Posted: 5/3/2009 1:18:52 AM
I see MBUS....
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Posted: 5/3/2009 2:07:08 AM
The ACR is one rifle that I really want.

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Posted: 5/3/2009 1:50:31 PM
And it looks like they photoshopped something off the rail, just above the laser and below the charging handle slot.


Look at the angle of the sun. That is the shadow of the front Flip up sight.
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Posted: 5/3/2009 2:33:18 PM
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I wonder if they can give us a progress update.

Also, if it ever is released to the public, I hope they do it better than FN did.
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Posted: 5/3/2009 3:01:48 PM
Originally Posted By Squid1jz:
They're different brands owned by the same company.

In RE: the picture I'm not seeing the ambi charging handle. The last iteration I saw, I thought it had a 'true ambidextrous' handle (ie: one on each side). And it looks like they photoshopped something off the rail, just above the laser and below the charging handle slot.


Yes, but Bushmaster makes all of the R-15s for Remington and DPMS makes all of the R-25s for them as well. Remington does not currently make any AR type rifles at their factory. I suspect that it is the same way with the ACR, that if these claims are correct, Bushmaster is making a 'military' edition for Remington.

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Posted: 5/25/2009 10:51:40 PM
It does exists.
There are factory flyer's, I have one but cannot post it.
Remington expected to start producing these starting the third quarter of 2009
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Posted: 5/25/2009 11:08:03 PM
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Originally Posted By fp1201:
It does exists.
There are factory flyer's, I have one but cannot post it.
Remington expected to start producing these starting the third quarter of 2009


If this is true my head and wallet are going to explode.

Yes, but Bushmaster makes all of the R-15s for Remington and DPMS makes all of the R-25s for them as well. Remington does not currently make any AR type rifles at their factory. I suspect that it is the same way with the ACR, that if these claims are correct, Bushmaster is making a 'military' edition for Remington.


Maybe they want to use some of the Remington factory capacity for "black" guns because that's what's selling and they can get some market share with the ACR.
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Posted: 5/26/2009 10:22:15 AM
Originally Posted By dudeskis:
Originally Posted By fp1201:
It does exists.
There are factory flyer's, I have one but cannot post it.
Remington expected to start producing these starting the third quarter of 2009


If this is true my head and wallet are going to explode.




Heh. Your wallet is going to explode only IF they finally get to market

I've revised my thoughts on the whole thing. I've got a DPMS with Magpully goodness on it, so meh.

Well, I'll have Magpully Goodness on it when the backorder clears
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Posted: 5/26/2009 10:38:42 AM
Freddie Blish (Aimpoint's director of MIL sales) reports back from the '09 NDIA Small Arms Symposium that Remington will be producing the ACR for mil/LEO sales in 5.56, 6.5, and 6.8. Obviously, all these are just a quick barrel/bolt swap to change calibers.

No word from LtCol Blish on non-LEO civilian sales.
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Posted: 5/26/2009 3:46:45 PM
Originally Posted By dudeskis:
Originally Posted By fp1201:
It does exists.
There are factory flyer's, I have one but cannot post it.
Remington expected to start producing these starting the third quarter of 2009


If this is true my head and wallet are going to explode.

Yes, but Bushmaster makes all of the R-15s for Remington and DPMS makes all of the R-25s for them as well. Remington does not currently make any AR type rifles at their factory. I suspect that it is the same way with the ACR, that if these claims are correct, Bushmaster is making a 'military' edition for Remington.


Maybe they want to use some of the Remington factory capacity for "black" guns because that's what's selling and they can get some market share with the ACR.

The ACR will be made in Ilion, NY

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Posted: 5/28/2009 10:45:47 PM
Originally Posted By fp1201:
Originally Posted By dudeskis:
Originally Posted By fp1201:
It does exists.
There are factory flyer's, I have one but cannot post it.
Remington expected to start producing these starting the third quarter of 2009


If this is true my head and wallet are going to explode.

Yes, but Bushmaster makes all of the R-15s for Remington and DPMS makes all of the R-25s for them as well. Remington does not currently make any AR type rifles at their factory. I suspect that it is the same way with the ACR, that if these claims are correct, Bushmaster is making a 'military' edition for Remington.


Maybe they want to use some of the Remington factory capacity for "black" guns because that's what's selling and they can get some market share with the ACR.

The ACR will be made in Ilion, NY



Can you tell us anymore? Little hints here and there? Come on bro!

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Posted: 5/30/2009 9:34:42 PM
Originally Posted By ZA206:
Originally Posted By fp1201:
Originally Posted By dudeskis:
Originally Posted By fp1201:
It does exists.
There are factory flyer's, I have one but cannot post it.
Remington expected to start producing these starting the third quarter of 2009


If this is true my head and wallet are going to explode.

Yes, but Bushmaster makes all of the R-15s for Remington and DPMS makes all of the R-25s for them as well. Remington does not currently make any AR type rifles at their factory. I suspect that it is the same way with the ACR, that if these claims are correct, Bushmaster is making a 'military' edition for Remington.


Maybe they want to use some of the Remington factory capacity for "black" guns because that's what's selling and they can get some market share with the ACR.

The ACR will be made in Ilion, NY



Can you tell us anymore? Little hints here and there? Come on bro!

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Any idea how to post a .pdf file?
if so, LMK and I'll try.
That' about as fucked up as spinners on a Ferreri.

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Posted: 5/30/2009 10:01:35 PM
I'm taking a ride to Illion I'm 30-35 minutes away..........
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Posted: 5/31/2009 12:31:10 AM
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Posted: 5/31/2009 12:45:19 AM
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so basically since they are making it for military and leo sales i guess we will see it in the same quanities as the sig 552 and HK G36. next to nothing in terms of market presences.


i still dont understand there desire to ignore the civilian market in favor of a LE/MIL market. there have been more FS2000 sold to civilians then LE/mil users. give the scar a few months and there will be more in civy hands then SF hands.


look i hope it makes it to market but i guess time will tell


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Posted: 5/31/2009 3:10:27 AM
but with the possibility of an AWB do you blaim them for trying it?
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Posted: 5/31/2009 9:37:53 AM
yes and no, they market the product to whom ever they chose so in that regard no, but at the same time it will be quite some time till a new weapon is selected to replace the m4.

with that being said in the mean time the ACR could be put out in significant numbers in order to attain an idea of what issues may surface once the weapon is mass produced.

with nobama going al out on everything but military spending, im not to sure how interested he will be in replacing the m4 with something new that would require significant testing at say APG, dugway, yuma, or any other major testing center, that cost a retardedly stupid amount of money

with the scar being pretty simial in capabilities, and having all ready undergone and paid for such testing, and is all ready in the pipline/system. its going to be an uphill battle to get a foothold on the m4 replacement when one comes.

i do love the ACR, and do want to see it come to market because i do think it is one of the better concepts/rifles out there
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Posted: 5/31/2009 10:10:43 AM
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so basically since they are making it for military and leo sales i guess we will see it in the same quanities as the sig 552 and HK G36. next to nothing in terms of market presences.



What, kind of like Colt?

If they get it to the public I think the big thing will be price point.

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Posted: 5/31/2009 10:46:02 AM
Guys, if they sell it to LEOs through distributors, it will find it's way to the civvy market. Look at the LEO only Colts.
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Posted: 5/31/2009 10:56:56 AM
Originally Posted By m4hk33:
yes and no, they market the product to whom ever they chose so in that regard no, but at the same time it will be quite some time till a new weapon
with nobama going al out on everything but military spending, im not to sure how interested he will be in replacing the m4 with something new that would require significant testing at say APG, dugway, yuma, or any other major testing center, that cost a retardedly stupid amount of money



The Pentagon already has a winner in the next round of weapon trials to replace the M4



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Posted: 5/31/2009 11:08:34 AM
So the Remington is handling the military version of the ACR, while the civilian version will be followed up by Bushmaster? Or will we see all ACRs under the Remington name?
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