Greetings,
Does your department conduct training or drills for active shooter?
Do you train in conjunction with local law enforcement?
What kind of prep work do you do?
I'm trying to develop a training proposal for my department to give to the Chief.

Thanks

No armor, no firearms as weapons are prohibited by policy. .  I'm issued harsh words; ones that are within protocols to use. An Ax and halligan aint going to cut it against a shooter.

I'll go in once the cops clear the area/safe, or the drag the bodies out..

YMMV

Training and exercises. They are usually a cluster but better than nothing I guess.

They have armor but its kept at a central location and driven out to the scene to be used. They also have a bunch of kits with tourniquets, chest seals, drag tarps and different kind of patient moving devices.

The concept is first police on scene attack bad guy. When more units get there and bad guy is contained or neutralized. EMS and fire team up with a group of officers and move in to start doing bare minimum life saving treatments and pulling injured out. This is where its a PITA. My service practices with 3 cops and 4 EMS/fire on one team. If they come upon injured who cannot walk they have to carry them up/down stairs, etc. This limits you to like 2 non mobile patients at a time, the police cannot be carrying pt's they are there to cover rescuers. EMS tend to be overworked, eat poorly and have little time to exercise, so they struggle to move these people the long distances. In my opinion only the fittest (fire) should be sent in to essentially drag bodies. Paramedics and advanced care givers will be needed outside at the triage area to start performing advanced life saving stuff and riding in with the most critical in the back of rigs. There is no need to have ALS inside dragging bodies.


In my opinion the teams that go in should be larger than the 3 police and 4 rescuers that my service practices. It should be like 6-8 rescuers and 3-4 cops. 8 and 4 being more ideal. That way if need be they can split into two smaller teams and still have enough to carry people.

excellent point

We never did, but I got out of EMS in 2005.  Still in the "stage away" days.

Start with good training like TECC then go from there. Just trying to make it up as you go isn't going to work well.

Maybe you can find something here like the poster above referenced.

There is actually FEMA publications to use as guidelines. They obviously look at it from a much wider perspective than TECC.

https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/active_shooter_guide.pdf

I would assume that most SOPs are considered of a 'sensitive' nature (meaning not for public release aka here).  I would think if you would officially ask departments from larger cities they would be willing to provide guidance to assist you better.

Some key words- extraction team, casualty collection point, hot zone, warm zone, triage area, treatment area, transport sector.

Any way you look at it a mass casualty incident, active shooter, violent attack will be a cluster fornication and will tax even the largest department.  Being able to work closely, communicate directly with other departments around you (fire and EMS if not together) and LE will be critical.

Most of these runs require fire/EMS to stage and wait for our copological detectors (love you guys!) to 'clear' the scene for us, per SOP's, so don't be afraid to hit the supply closet and stock up the truck before leaving the station.  Some life saving skills can be used inside the warm zone but obviously it would be better to not be in that area, you are not going to do CPR but open an airway, apply a tourniquet or something else quick and easy.

Almost forgot; yes we train and coordinate with our city LE, county LE and several smaller city LE departments.

We do, we have individually issued armor.

Drilled last year, with PD they take us in with 4-8 officers into somewhat, most likely, perhaps, should be, secure safe areas where the injured are.  We tourniquet them if needed and put them on carry tarps and get them out to the truly safe secure treatment and transport area.

Look up contained threat escort. I took a class from Oklahoma Highway Patrol on it a little over a year ago.

We do. Armor, lots of TQs, Israel's, chest seals, and decompression needles. A good starting place would be TECC. Skip TCCC unless you're in a SWAT stack making entry.

http://www.naemt.org/education/tecc/tecc

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In our county all Officers (I'm LE) end up going through/re-certing in active shooter every 2-3 years (depending on the size of the classes). We always have the local FD's and EMS crews come to at least some of it so they have an understanding of what is going to be going on and what their roll in it will be. For the most part they are receptive but there is still the group that basically tell you to fuck off i'm gonna be blocks away hiding behind my truck.

That said we also have SWAT medics, that are from the ambulance Co,  on our county wide team so there are at least some guys who are not afraid to run in with the first guys there.

Our FD had given us a Power point/program to critique for them, i'll see if I still have it.

J-