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Posted: 9/17/2015 12:33:37 PM EDT
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My wife is an ER nurse. I met her at the ER when i dropped off a patient. Before she came to Kodiak she spent 16 years at Harbor UCLA Medical Center. Shes seen more blood,mayhem and human misery than anyone i know. She has lots of PD and FD friends.Shes a team player and she respects her teammates,Police and Fire.All the other nurses she works with may not share her point of view.
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Posted: 9/17/2015 1:02:41 PM EDT
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We have several hospitals in the area and I have a good working relationship with all of them.
Of course, I am nice and helpful to them even when I'm not getting service as quickly as I would like. If you are having a problem with your hospitals, I can guarantee they are having problems with your officers (not necessarily you but probably a bunch of your fellow officers are giving the hospital staff attitudes). The streets might be my area of expertise but the ER belongs to them. It's their house, don't forget that....and lots of cops forget that important fact. |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 1:37:48 PM EDT
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I am a RN, and I respect and like LEOs. most of the ones I encounter at work are there because they're escorting some drunk/high/stupid person, and I am grateful they are there.
the only time we have any problems are generally with corrections officers. they frequently fall asleep on duty. Some of the worst offenders have been relieved of duty for this reason, and the general consensus among the COs is that we are out to get them. What pisses me off about it is that the CO is there to guard an inmate and protect us -- but I would be safer with no one else in the room than a sleeping CO who is armed. a few months ago, an inmate managed to get his hands on a COs weapon and was only subdued after another officer pistol whipped him. 
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Posted: 9/17/2015 2:41:33 PM EDT
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We have to protect the DWI'S from the staff. They REALLY don't like drunks.
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Posted: 9/17/2015 3:54:24 PM EDT
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The ones we dealt with at the local hospital that we brought perps to were crap. If we needed treatment we would drive several precincts away to go to a real hospital.
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Posted: 9/17/2015 7:35:25 PM EDT
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we get treated real well both as patients and when we have to bring in a shit head. Typically get jumped to the front of the line (with in reason depending on emergencies etc), they get us water or pop, food if we are there a long time and do everything in their power to get us in and out ASAP.
Most the Doc's are good too for the most part. J- |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 8:55:01 PM EDT
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The ED I work in contracts out medical for the county jail so we deal with the sheriffs office on a regular basis and we have a very good relationship. The local pd on the other hand has at times rubbed us wrong by using the hospital or jail bit one too many times. The other night they dropped a couple drunks on us that were stable and could be released back into custody but they decided to leave without notifying anyone. But they tend to redeem themselves when we have a combative pt come in and we need the extra muscle.
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Posted: 9/17/2015 9:10:53 PM EDT
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Since the local po-po realized they cannot get any HIPPA protected information from us, it's been smooth selling.
We've never had a problem beside release of information. |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 10:27:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have several hospitals in the area and I have a good working relationship with all of them. Of course, I am nice and helpful to them even when I'm not getting service as quickly as I would like. If you are having a problem with your hospitals, I can guarantee they are having problems with your officers (not necessarily you but probably a bunch of your fellow officers are giving the hospital staff attitudes). The streets might be my area of expertise but the ER belongs to them. It's their house, don't forget that....and lots of cops forget that important fact. |
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Posted: 9/18/2015 6:34:11 AM EDT
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Most of them are grumpy bitter old women from what I see of them.
The remainder are running their asses off when I am in the ER, so I leave them be. I do my business that brought me there and I get out as fast as I can so that I can preserve some small part of my patience for that shift edit: after some negative sentiments from nursing staff after a few OIS over the past few years and the hospitals old admins at one point trying to push to have us disarm while we were in their facility, I don't pretend to believe that their staff is pro-LE in the slightest |
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Posted: 9/18/2015 1:42:21 PM EDT
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We have about 4-5 different hospitals an a pretty solid relationship with the majority of nurses... Probably because at least a few of them from every hospital are married to/dating officers. Only issue we've ever ran across is one particular hospital not wanting to draw blood on a suspect to was refusing. (We had a warrant). That was ironed out though.
Same goes for the paramedics.... a lot of them are either married to officers or are screwing officers haha. |
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Posted: 9/18/2015 10:52:13 PM EDT
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My wife is an ER nurse. I met her at the ER when i dropped off a patient. Before she came to Kodiak she spent 16 years at Harbor UCLA Medical Center. Shes seen more blood,mayhem and human misery than anyone i know. She has lots of PD and FD friends.Shes a team player and she respects her teammates,Police and Fire.All the other nurses she works with may not share her point of view. 
That lady has earned her stripes many times over. 
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Posted: 9/19/2015 1:00:45 AM EDT
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Since the local po-po realized they cannot get any HIPPA protected information from us, it's been smooth selling. We've never had a problem beside release of information. Except doesn't HIPPA specifically address the release of info to LE for court/prosecution. All of the hospitals we deal with have release of records forms for us in the ER. Have the person sign it and the records show up in my mailbox in about 7 days. IF that doesnt work it takes me 11seconds to fill out a subpoena or 10 minutes to fill out a search warrant for records, but both will assuredly keep the hospital custodian of records tied up in court for the better part of a week till we need to call them. LMAO. Last time a hospital messed with me on records the custodian had to sit in court for 7 days before the prosecutor called them to say " Yes I confirm that these are records from hospital XYZ". Thanks no further questions. Since then we get just about what we want when we need it with very little issue. J- |
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Posted: 9/19/2015 2:34:08 PM EDT
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Overall Hospital staff are much worse then they used to be and I wouldnt trust any of them as far as I can throw them. To many have spent their lives in schools and think they know it all, "as if they know the street", or what we have to put up with dealing with these knuckleheads we have to arrest.
But theres never a good reason for getting an attitude towards a stranger just because of the job they do or the uniform they wear. That would make us as bad as the Police Haters and who would ever want to be that ignorant on purpose? Besides its very unprofessional. But back in the '80s we used to hang out with the staffs, share pizza's, even party after work. Now? Theres none of that. |
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Posted: 9/19/2015 4:47:44 PM EDT
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Since the local po-po realized they cannot get any HIPPA protected information from us, it's been smooth selling. We've never had a problem beside release of information. Wow, way to misread the law. |
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Posted: 9/20/2015 6:08:58 PM EDT
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Except doesn't HIPPA specifically address the release of info to LE for court/prosecution. All of the hospitals we deal with have release of records forms for us in the ER. Have the person sign it and the records show up in my mailbox in about 7 days. IF that doesnt work it takes me 11seconds to fill out a subpoena or 10 minutes to fill out a search warrant for records, but both will assuredly keep the hospital custodian of records tied up in court for the better part of a week till we need to call them. LMAO. Last time a hospital messed with me on records the custodian had to sit in court for 7 days before the prosecutor called them to say " Yes I confirm that these are records from hospital XYZ". Thanks no further questions. Since then we get just about what we want when we need it with very little issue. J- Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since the local po-po realized they cannot get any HIPPA protected information from us, it's been smooth selling. We've never had a problem beside release of information. Except doesn't HIPPA specifically address the release of info to LE for court/prosecution. All of the hospitals we deal with have release of records forms for us in the ER. Have the person sign it and the records show up in my mailbox in about 7 days. IF that doesnt work it takes me 11seconds to fill out a subpoena or 10 minutes to fill out a search warrant for records, but both will assuredly keep the hospital custodian of records tied up in court for the better part of a week till we need to call them. LMAO. Last time a hospital messed with me on records the custodian had to sit in court for 7 days before the prosecutor called them to say " Yes I confirm that these are records from hospital XYZ". Thanks no further questions. Since then we get just about what we want when we need it with very little issue. J- A compliant patient can authorize a release to Santa Clause if they want to. If you want information on a patient, and go through the proper channels, there's no problem. I was referring to a few occasions where a LEO showed up in the ED and demanded a bunch of paperwork. That ain't how it works, and flexing muscles isn't going to change shit. Our ED nurses have an excellent relationship with local EMS and law enforcement. |
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Posted: 9/20/2015 6:23:11 PM EDT
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A compliant patient can authorize a release to Santa Clause if they want to. If you want information on a patient, and go through the proper channels, there's no problem. I was referring to a few occasions where a LEO showed up in the ED and demanded a bunch of paperwork. That ain't how it works, and flexing muscles isn't going to change shit. Our ED nurses have an excellent relationship with local EMS and law enforcement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since the local po-po realized they cannot get any HIPPA protected information from us, it's been smooth selling. We've never had a problem beside release of information. Except doesn't HIPPA specifically address the release of info to LE for court/prosecution. All of the hospitals we deal with have release of records forms for us in the ER. Have the person sign it and the records show up in my mailbox in about 7 days. IF that doesnt work it takes me 11seconds to fill out a subpoena or 10 minutes to fill out a search warrant for records, but both will assuredly keep the hospital custodian of records tied up in court for the better part of a week till we need to call them. LMAO. Last time a hospital messed with me on records the custodian had to sit in court for 7 days before the prosecutor called them to say " Yes I confirm that these are records from hospital XYZ". Thanks no further questions. Since then we get just about what we want when we need it with very little issue. J- A compliant patient can authorize a release to Santa Clause if they want to. If you want information on a patient, and go through the proper channels, there's no problem. I was referring to a few occasions where a LEO showed up in the ED and demanded a bunch of paperwork. That ain't how it works, and flexing muscles isn't going to change shit. Our ED nurses have an excellent relationship with local EMS and law enforcement. Oh well thats entirely different than what you implied. J- |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 6:50:08 PM EDT
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I've never demanded anything from the nurses anytime I've been there. My wife is a nurse and when I get the off chance that one will actually talk to me and not just blow me off like I just arrested their elderly mother, I normally have a decent conversation with them about it.
According to our state law, any collision with injuries is a forced blood draw..... I just dont understand how the medics can wheel in both parties and bring injured kids on a stretcher along with the drunk that hit them and scream at me how I need a warrant for their blood draw. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:53:57 AM EDT
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You might think that the paramedic/emts are fair haired boys but I have twice run into hospitals that didn't like our department. One was when an 8 station department was absorbed into the county. Turns out the ambulance PM's would hustle bed pans and change sheets. Fire medics didn't.
Another was that the hospital just preferred Pasadena fire guys. I kicked over a shit bucket when the 3rd time in there with nurses practically ignoring us when a doc says, "so why did you bring him here?" I told him the sign out front said "hospital" and seemed like a good idea. He got pissed and started ranting. That's the only time I ever went off in an ED, all my other responses were real good even though MLK Hospital in South Central LA was like the bar scene in Star Wars. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 2:24:51 AM EDT
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I've never heard of bad blood between ER nurses (me) and LEOs. All the nurses in my department love our LEOs from the Highway Patrol clear down to local PD. Only time we run into any issues is when one acts like an arrogant prick. Its about mutual respect.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 12:58:32 PM EDT
[#21]
I've always been treated very well by them, but I am a huge flirt though.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 11:41:17 PM EDT
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We're small enough with only one hospital where it doesn't take long to learn who the helpful nurses are and who the less-than-helpful ones are.
The helpful ones smile and jump right into the mess. The not-so-helpful ones play 20 questions and only want to treat the patient if they deem your cause/arrest/psych hold worthy enough. Learn your staff and learn who the major players are in the ER who make it run smoothly, then direct all needed questions to that person. |
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Posted: 10/2/2015 10:47:30 PM EDT
[#23]
Married to one, we bang on occasion
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Posted: 10/3/2015 2:41:30 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ones we dealt with at the local hospital that we brought perps to were crap. If we needed treatment we would drive several precincts away to go to a real hospital. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 9:42:47 AM EDT
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We deal with 8 different agencies, 2 jails and a prison. For the most part it is good with all the agencies. We help them, they help us....except for one. I don't know if its a dept. policy or just how they do business but almost every time they bring someone in/send someone in, there is a problem. We still try to help them but they almost make it impossible for us. They make demands when they arrive, don't have the proper paperwork or say "here is the invol, I'll fax in the paperwork when I get back to the station" OR they wont even show up at all and send the pt. in with EMS. Then it takes an hour or more for that paperwork to show up and in the mean time, we have a invol pt, that wont co-operate, that's telling us they aren't suicidal and we have nothing to say contrary. The Doc's started getting sick of it and brooming the pt.'s that this agency dropped on us.
All the other agencies are great to work with. We will make sure they get coffee/food if they need it, we will send our security team out to meet them in the ambulance bay with combative pt.'s. We try and give them a break when they show up and make their life as easy as possible. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 9:53:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: My town uses a couple of hospitals,, one is almost to a point of being hostile toward police and the other is a step better but they have their nurses that seem to despise us LEO's. We had an incident today where a guy got sent to the ER, wasn't under arrest from us, but the hospital staff wanted to draw blood/urine. The guy refused everything and the nurses were starting to get pissed over it. I wanted to tell them - now you know how I feel when a drunk hits a kid and you demand a warrant for a blood draw- because they were on the receiving side of not getting what they needed. I'm curious if it's just for me or does everyone have this issue. Was the guy under arrest at all or just with a different agency? Was it a clear to book or Invol? If its a clear to book, they dont need blood or urine. Its usually a couple stitches, a band aid, CT or xray and they are gone. If its an Invol, the pt. doesnt have a choice. He/she either gives it up or it gets taken from them by force with or without a warrant (YMMV depending on your state laws). The only time a warrant is needed is if there is suspicion of DUI. Now if the guy you are talking about was some random Joe that checked in under his own power with a medical complaint and then gets to his room and starts refusing labs/xray etc., then we dont help them and tell them to kick rocks. You have to cooperate in your healthcare and if you dont, how can you possibly expect us to make you better? In those cases the MD just puts in the discharge paperwork that the patient refused to cooperate with anything and then they are asked to leave. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 9:55:25 AM EDT
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The ones we dealt with at the local hospital that we brought perps to were crap. If we needed treatment we would drive several precincts away to go to a real hospital. The one we brought perps to was Woodhull, we went to Methodist in Park Slope for our treatment for minor injuries. For serious stuff we went to Bellevue or Kings County.(gunshot) |
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Posted: 10/4/2015 9:03:13 AM EDT
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My town uses a couple of hospitals,, one is almost to a point of being hostile toward police and the other is a step better but they have their nurses that seem to despise us LEO's. We had an incident today where a guy got sent to the ER, wasn't under arrest from us, but the hospital staff wanted to draw blood/urine. The guy refused everything and the nurses were starting to get pissed over it. I wanted to tell them - now you know how I feel when a drunk hits a kid and you demand a warrant for a blood draw- because they were on the receiving side of not getting what they needed. I'm curious if it's just for me or does everyone have this issue. You realize they're doing you a favor and without the warrant the blood draw just gets the DWI tossed right? That said, if there's a suspicion of DWI, usually the warrant gets to the hospital before the subject. At least in every state I've worked. So glad I don't have to deal with that shit now. |
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Posted: 10/4/2015 10:33:07 AM EDT
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You realize they're doing you a favor and without the warrant the blood draw just gets the DWI tossed right? That said, if there's a suspicion of DWI, usually the warrant gets to the hospital before the subject. At least in every state I've worked. So glad I don't have to deal with that shit now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My town uses a couple of hospitals,, one is almost to a point of being hostile toward police and the other is a step better but they have their nurses that seem to despise us LEO's. We had an incident today where a guy got sent to the ER, wasn't under arrest from us, but the hospital staff wanted to draw blood/urine. The guy refused everything and the nurses were starting to get pissed over it. I wanted to tell them - now you know how I feel when a drunk hits a kid and you demand a warrant for a blood draw- because they were on the receiving side of not getting what they needed. I'm curious if it's just for me or does everyone have this issue. You realize they're doing you a favor and without the warrant the blood draw just gets the DWI tossed right? That said, if there's a suspicion of DWI, usually the warrant gets to the hospital before the subject. At least in every state I've worked. So glad I don't have to deal with that shit now. If the hospital draws blood from the patient for medical reasons, we can subpoena the blood for the BAC. The DUI still goes through. Obtaining a warrant for us takes hours, seriously hours, there is no point to try to obtain one unless it's something good. |
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Posted: 10/4/2015 6:24:52 PM EDT
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If the hospital draws blood from the patient for medical reasons, we can subpoena the blood for the BAC. The DUI still goes through. Obtaining a warrant for us takes hours, seriously hours, there is no point to try to obtain one unless it's something good. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My town uses a couple of hospitals,, one is almost to a point of being hostile toward police and the other is a step better but they have their nurses that seem to despise us LEO's. We had an incident today where a guy got sent to the ER, wasn't under arrest from us, but the hospital staff wanted to draw blood/urine. The guy refused everything and the nurses were starting to get pissed over it. I wanted to tell them - now you know how I feel when a drunk hits a kid and you demand a warrant for a blood draw- because they were on the receiving side of not getting what they needed. I'm curious if it's just for me or does everyone have this issue. You realize they're doing you a favor and without the warrant the blood draw just gets the DWI tossed right? That said, if there's a suspicion of DWI, usually the warrant gets to the hospital before the subject. At least in every state I've worked. So glad I don't have to deal with that shit now. If the hospital draws blood from the patient for medical reasons, we can subpoena the blood for the BAC. The DUI still goes through. Obtaining a warrant for us takes hours, seriously hours, there is no point to try to obtain one unless it's something good. Ours is faxing a copy of a generic form with the drunks info filled in to the judge and then they fax it back to the hospital signed. Maybe 15 minutes, we have a great working relationship with the judges and 1 hospital in our county. (the other hospital sucks ass) |
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Posted: 10/4/2015 8:14:43 PM EDT
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If the hospital draws blood from the patient for medical reasons, we can subpoena the blood for the BAC. The DUI still goes through. Obtaining a warrant for us takes hours, seriously hours, there is no point to try to obtain one unless it's something good. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My town uses a couple of hospitals,, one is almost to a point of being hostile toward police and the other is a step better but they have their nurses that seem to despise us LEO's. We had an incident today where a guy got sent to the ER, wasn't under arrest from us, but the hospital staff wanted to draw blood/urine. The guy refused everything and the nurses were starting to get pissed over it. I wanted to tell them - now you know how I feel when a drunk hits a kid and you demand a warrant for a blood draw- because they were on the receiving side of not getting what they needed. I'm curious if it's just for me or does everyone have this issue. You realize they're doing you a favor and without the warrant the blood draw just gets the DWI tossed right? That said, if there's a suspicion of DWI, usually the warrant gets to the hospital before the subject. At least in every state I've worked. So glad I don't have to deal with that shit now. If the hospital draws blood from the patient for medical reasons, we can subpoena the blood for the BAC. The DUI still goes through. Obtaining a warrant for us takes hours, seriously hours, there is no point to try to obtain one unless it's something good. Wow, that seriously sucks. That said, I assume the hospital is worried about being sued or dragged into court if there isn't an actual medical need for the draw. Or they are run by SJWs. |
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Posted: 10/4/2015 9:24:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWow, that seriously sucks. That said, I assume the hospital is worried about being sued or dragged into court if there isn't an actual medical need for the draw. Or they are run by SJWs.
We figure they don't want to get subpeonaed to court for a blood draw they did during work. |
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Posted: 10/4/2015 9:27:41 PM EDT
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Some of the nurses in our local medical centers are freakin beauties. Flirts too.
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Posted: 10/4/2015 11:41:03 PM EDT
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Get along great locally.
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Posted: 10/5/2015 9:05:26 AM EDT
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Married to one, we bang on occasion Best response yet. |
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Posted: 10/5/2015 2:16:13 PM EDT
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Stories, I could tell them...
Good and Bad.. So I'll go with 75% good, 25% bad. |
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Posted: 10/5/2015 6:38:15 PM EDT
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My wife's a nurse, worked ER in & out of Detroit . Now she's an ICU/ICM out of Detroit . She's on your side . We both are. You guys don't get paid enough for what you do. Thank you !
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Posted: 10/5/2015 10:57:53 PM EDT
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Nurses and cops seem to get along just fine in my AO
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