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Posted: 9/7/2015 5:48:09 AM EDT
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PBA leadership was horrible when I first got hired in '93. We voted them all out and I must say the guys who took over have done a much better job with contract negotiations, fighting for the membership, etc. They're currently in contract negotiations right now with the city and the state arbitrator. We used to not have the option of going to the state arbitrator (PERB) but it was one of the things the new union leadership fought for and won for us. Hopefully they get a good contract this time around because my last two years on the job before I retired were without a contract so I'll get any retro pay they negotiate.
Brass wer not involved with the PBA at my job. They had their own union as did Sgts, Lts., and Detectives. 5 separate unions for the different ranks. |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 10:00:17 AM EDT
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retired at 54
 better Benny's than the comps . not a cop IBEW 66 32 years
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Posted: 9/7/2015 11:34:58 AM EDT
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OP, can you join the SSPBA? Bama speaks highly of them and what they offer.
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Posted: 9/7/2015 12:43:35 PM EDT
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I can quit our union and join something else....PLEA...FOP....no real benny other than the satisfaction to say FU...and maybe save a $5 spot every couple weeks...
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Posted: 9/7/2015 8:49:03 PM EDT
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PBA leadership was horrible when I first got hired in '93. We voted them all out and I must say the guys who took over have done a much better job with contract negotiations, fighting for the membership, etc. They're currently in contract negotiations right now with the city and the state arbitrator. We used to not have the option of going to the state arbitrator (PERB) but it was one of the things the new union leadership fought for and won for us. Hopefully they get a good contract this time around because my last two years on the job before I retired were without a contract so I'll get any retro pay they negotiate. Brass wer not involved with the PBA at my job. They had their own union as did Sgts, Lts., and Detectives. 5 separate unions for the different ranks. Matarazzo RAN from the 34, and was almost shot in the parking lot... The midnight guys were a "unique" crew... 
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Posted: 9/7/2015 8:50:22 PM EDT
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Matarazzo RAN from the 34, and was almost shot in the parking lot... The midnight guys were a "unique" crew... He was such a fucking scumbag. |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 10:50:47 AM EDT
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We are our own union. For the most part its OK, they'll work for you as an individual officer when you have issues.
Last administration tried to destroy the union and run roughshod over us. Some of the past officers of he union were a little too cozy with that administration The biggest problem for us is the county politicians who see us as a non-essential service and our budget as money that would be better spent on social services They've kept us from having a contract for 15 years Finally agreed to one this last month. |
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Posted: 9/11/2015 12:22:03 AM EDT
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What's a union?
Per our state laws, LE can't be unionized. Which leads to me always getting a good laugh when people like to complain and sound off whenever a local cop screws up and they claim he's hiding behind the all mighty union...which doesn't exist. |
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Posted: 9/11/2015 9:41:20 AM EDT
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What's a union? I wouldn't work in LE without one. Posts here on Arrfcom from cops stating they make $11-15/hr just reinforces it for me. |
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Posted: 9/11/2015 11:46:48 AM EDT
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IAFF member here. AFL-CIO
Our local is small (110ish members) but we do well when it comes to negotiating. We don't keep up with the cops as they get paid more but I think we still do decent. I guess it used to be even with the cops but somewhere along the way there was a separation and they stepped ahead with pay and benefits. If it wasn't for the union I know the city would walk all over us. Ive had to file a grievance over back pay as they wouldn't give it to me. We ended up winning. |
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Posted: 9/11/2015 12:28:09 PM EDT
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The Chicago lodge#7 of the FOP sucks. They never got anything out of the city of Chicago that the city wasn't will to give. Made a lot of bad calls to take care of the leaders and family of the Lodge #7 FOP. We should have gone with the Teamsters in 1980 when we picked for representation. But at least lodge#7 pays for lawyers if you get jammed up "on the job". Maybe other FOP lodges are better around the country.
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Posted: 9/11/2015 2:04:24 PM EDT
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Unions (1st responder) in my state have no arbitration rights so it's sort of mute.
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Posted: 9/11/2015 2:51:06 PM EDT
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Unions (1st responder) in my state have no arbitration rights so it's sort of mute. Must be some quiet contract talks. 
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Posted: 9/13/2015 11:34:03 AM EDT
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What's a union? Per our state laws, LE can't be unionized. Which leads to me always getting a good laugh when people like to complain and sound off whenever a local cop screws up and they claim he's hiding behind the all mighty union...which doesn't exist. Same here. |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 5:37:50 PM EDT
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FL's laws aren't particularly favorable to unions and you really have to have full unity of the officers to have any effectiveness. If the city/county really wants to they can make it very rough. There are some strong unions in FL but they are long established and strongly backed. IMO a weak union is counterproductive. Either everyone is all in for the long term or don't bother.
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Posted: 9/13/2015 9:49:11 PM EDT
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Our local FOP backs us like none other. You can't get fired for pretty much anything short of a felony
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Posted: 9/15/2015 8:31:27 PM EDT
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What's a union? Per our state laws, LE can't be unionized. Which leads to me always getting a good laugh when people like to complain and sound off whenever a local cop screws up and they claim he's hiding behind the all mighty union...which doesn't exist. Shit. They're a must for LE work around here. Unless you want to make $15 and hour and work the shittiest schedules imaginable. |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 10:14:17 AM EDT
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What's a union? Per our state laws, LE can't be unionized. Which leads to me always getting a good laugh when people like to complain and sound off whenever a local cop screws up and they claim he's hiding behind the all mighty union...which doesn't exist. Even if you have a Union I have no idea where the public gets this perception about Police Unions, which are usually filled with as many self serving Hacks as the local Govt. We have no right to strike, consistently lose more and more after each new contract, and have a hard enough time getting help when we need it. Look at this kid in Ferguson MO. after his encounter with the Gentle Giant? WTF did his union do for him? |
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Posted: 9/18/2015 11:13:10 PM EDT
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Teamsters
Not a member...they are terrible. I was raised in a union home...I know what a union can do for you AND what they can't do for you. Dad was a chief steward for about 20 years of his 43 years in the job (electrician...IBEW) Everybody that is a union steward is issued a phone to keep the sheriff apprised of any problems, and have "special" duties. If we have an issue that is a "union" issue, even before they hear your side of the story, union rep says: "they can do that" Pieces of shit. |
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Posted: 9/20/2015 1:42:30 PM EDT
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My union over my entire career has seemed to be too cozy with the bosses. I want representation that is adversarial when needed and it never has been.
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Posted: 9/20/2015 2:27:30 PM EDT
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My union over my entire career has seemed to be too cozy with the bosses. I want representation that is adversarial when needed and it never has been. You would love some of my past union delegates. The brass would cringe when we walked in with this one guy as our representation. |
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Posted: 9/25/2015 3:03:03 PM EDT
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My union over my entire career has seemed to be too cozy with the bosses. I want representation that is adversarial when needed and it never has been. My experience as union VP and president has been that if you are overly defensive or adversarial you will be cut out of everything except what you are absolutely entitled to by law/contract. A more moderate approach (in conjunction with adult management) lets the union have it's opinions and ideas applied to more facets of the job. When management gets really goofy you do still have your black and white legal protections to fall back on if need be. The perception of the union being too cozy does suck, I worry about it a lot. On the other hand though I am at a point where when a new work policy is drafted the Chief asks for my opinion of it before deciding to enact it, not just saying "grieve it if you want". I'm sure though in much larger departments or in certain workplace climates that kind of relationship can't exist no matter who the players are. |
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Posted: 10/18/2015 9:42:17 PM EDT
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Our union (FOPPO) gets bitch slapped regularly. I believe our county reps actually look forward to meetings with them.
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Posted: 10/19/2015 12:03:15 AM EDT
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Even if you have a Union I have no idea where the public gets this perception about Police Unions, which are usually filled with as many self serving Hacks as the local Govt. We have no right to strike, consistently lose more and more after each new contract, and have a hard enough time getting help when we need it. Look at this kid in Ferguson MO. after his encounter with the Gentle Giant? WTF did his union do for him? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's a union? Per our state laws, LE can't be unionized. Which leads to me always getting a good laugh when people like to complain and sound off whenever a local cop screws up and they claim he's hiding behind the all mighty union...which doesn't exist. Even if you have a Union I have no idea where the public gets this perception about Police Unions, which are usually filled with as many self serving Hacks as the local Govt. We have no right to strike, consistently lose more and more after each new contract, and have a hard enough time getting help when we need it. Look at this kid in Ferguson MO. after his encounter with the Gentle Giant? WTF did his union do for him? I have a lot of reservations about unions......but that being said, Darren Wilson was a member of the FOP. From what I was told by a FOP guy on my department, the FOP has paid out over $200,000 for attorneys for him. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 9:21:11 PM EDT
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What's a union? Per our state laws, LE can't be unionized. Which leads to me always getting a good laugh when people like to complain and sound off whenever a local cop screws up and they claim he's hiding behind the all mighty union...which doesn't exist. Same here. FOP is a fraternal organization here. Every time they try to negotiate our contract with the city, the city tells the FOP they can take what they are willing to give us or go fuck ourselves. Last year the city decided they didn't want to honor the contract that was agreed on two years ago and decided to not pay us our pay raise. Members told the FOP to sue but they didn't want to rock the boat. I pay a little over $500 a year in dues for some shitty representation and no respect from the city. IUPA tried to take over from the FOP about 10 years ago but the members said hell no. A couple years later they came back & almost got voted in cuz guys were tired of FOP not doing anything for us. |
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Posted: 11/16/2015 1:57:13 PM EDT
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We Were PBA, Can't really complain about them on the State level, other than their support for some Dem Politicians, they have fought for us, especially with the current Administration trying to pin the entire State Budget problems on Us... Locally, we had a pretty strong Local, We had had a President who was in the pocket of the local politicians, once we got him out, we were Ok, we made it a point to try to stay realistic in Negotiations, and we made a lot of concessions, including no Overtime for a year to stave off Layoffs. Discipline-wise, we made sure proceedings were fair, but we also had no problems getting rid of people that were a detriment overall. We tried to keep things on an Even Keel, and I think we did a pretty good Job
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Posted: 11/27/2015 1:07:45 PM EDT
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No union here. We don't need one (yet).
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Posted: 11/27/2015 1:13:01 PM EDT
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What's a union? Per our state laws, LE can't be unionized. Which leads to me always getting a good laugh when people like to complain and sound off whenever a local cop screws up and they claim he's hiding behind the all mighty union...which doesn't exist. Nationally you are wrong. There are exceptions... this is fucking hilarious....the AFL/CIO representing law and order.... somewhere America lost their backbone and felt that someone else has to get ahead for them. https://iupa.org/ |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 6:31:30 PM EDT
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No union here. We don't need one (yet). I thought this way once when I was way younger in my LE caeer. Who represents you when you shoot someone sir. Serious question. For real do you have an attorney on retainer? Your going to need one when the dust settles......even with a good shoot. |
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