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Posted: 8/15/2015 7:39:05 AM EDT

I got the go ahead to look into changing my dept patrol rifle ammo. We currently are XM193 and variants. Right now the only requirements are that it is a reputable brand (Fed, Win, PMC) and we currently have some Independence too and that it be 5.56. The good thing about using XM193 is it is relatively cheap and guys can purchase there own if the want extra ammo in there cars and its usually always avalaible. But I know there are better rounds out there. Any suggestions? Currently we are issued RRA 16" Middys 1/7.

Posted: 8/15/2015 8:41:42 AM EDT

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I got the go ahead to look into changing my dept patrol rifle ammo. We currently are XM193 and variants. Right now the only requirements are that it is a reputable brand (Fed, Win, PMC) and we currently have some Independence too and that it be 5.56. The good thing about using XM193 is it is relatively cheap and guys can purchase there own if the want extra ammo in there cars and its usually always avalaible. But I know there are better rounds out there. Any suggestions? Currently we are issued RRA 16" Middys 1/7.

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Didnt think RRA made a 1/7 barrel for their guns?

We have RRA Middy's as well with a 1/9 twist on the barrels.

Our duty load is currently Hornady TAP 55 gr.

Posted: 8/15/2015 8:47:43 AM EDT

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Call your local FBI field office and ask for the PFI (primary firearms instructor). They have an extensive CD on 5.56 ammo for LE that you can request on letterhead.

Their new duty ammo in 9 and 5.56 is about as good as it gets.

Posted: 8/15/2015 9:42:42 AM EDT

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We're in the process of switching from Federal TRU to Hornady
We're issued Colts with a 16 inch barrel.

Posted: 8/15/2015 11:16:59 AM EDT

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We're in the process of switching from Federal TRU to Hornady
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We currently issue the Fed TRU.
Can I ask why ya'll are switching to TAP?

Posted: 8/15/2015 11:36:40 AM EDT

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We currently issue the Fed TRU.
Can I ask why ya'll are switching to TAP?

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We're switching away from Federal handgun ammo to Hornady and changing brands across the board for long guns as well
Almost everyone in my area until this year or last was still issuing Hydrashok, but are finally transitioning away from it

Posted: 8/15/2015 11:57:57 AM EDT

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We use Hornady TAP and Federal Tactical. Both are 55gr loads.

Posted: 8/15/2015 6:16:13 PM EDT

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We issue Hornady TAP.

Posted: 8/15/2015 9:43:59 PM EDT

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we use 55gt Federal Tactical bonded soft points.

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Posted: 8/16/2015 12:55:49 AM EDT

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We issue Hornady TAP.

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This^

If your department does not consider Hornady a "reputable" brand there is something wrong here

Posted: 8/16/2015 1:18:36 AM EDT

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we use 55gt Federal Tactical bonded soft points.

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This is what we use as well.

Posted: 8/16/2015 9:09:29 AM EDT

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CCI/Speer 64 grain Gold Dot in our duty rifles.

Posted: 8/17/2015 7:25:55 PM EDT

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Federal 62gr Fusion Soft Points, bonded rounds...

Posted: 8/17/2015 7:33:03 PM EDT

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CCI/Speer 64 grain Gold Dot in our duty rifles.

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This is what we use as well. Recently changed from Black Hills 60 gr soft point.

Posted: 8/18/2015 4:39:40 AM EDT

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Whatever I can afford since my PD does not issue rifle ammo.

Posted: 8/18/2015 11:16:53 AM EDT

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Hornady 75gr TAP

Posted: 8/18/2015 7:51:46 PM EDT

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We use Federal bonded 55 and 62.
For the guys that use TAP, how is it through automotive glass?

Posted: 8/18/2015 10:26:47 PM EDT

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I don't understand agencies that don't issue something as basic as ammunition.

Posted: 8/20/2015 11:25:39 AM EDT

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Hornady TAP 62gr barrier. Good shit in our testing.

Posted: 8/20/2015 11:59:26 PM EDT

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I don't understand agencies that don't issue something as basic as ammunition.

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Whatever I can afford since my PD does not issue rifle ammo.

I don't understand agencies that don't issue something as basic as ammunition.

The potential liability alone makes it odd that they wouldn't at least state what ammo is allowed.

Posted: 8/21/2015 1:17:41 AM EDT

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We currently issue the Fed TRU.
Can I ask why ya'll are switching to TAP?

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We're in the process of switching from Federal TRU to Hornady
We're issued Colts with a 16 inch barrel.

We currently issue the Fed TRU.
Can I ask why ya'll are switching to TAP?

We finally dumped the TRU and went to Gold Dot bonded.

Posted: 8/21/2015 1:24:45 AM EDT

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55 Gr TAP here

Posted: 8/21/2015 1:28:25 AM EDT

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We used 55gn winchester ballistic silvertip with success, performs well just not super good through barriers. It shatters in tissue very well.

We went to 64gm gold dot soft tip and have had great results also. I really like that round.

Posted: 8/21/2015 5:24:25 AM EDT

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The potential liability alone makes it odd that they wouldn't at least state what ammo is allowed.

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Whatever I can afford since my PD does not issue rifle ammo.

I don't understand agencies that don't issue something as basic as ammunition.

The potential liability alone makes it odd that they wouldn't at least state what ammo is allowed.

Anything 55grn to 62grn is the only stipulation. I use m193 and Hornady TAP

Posted: 8/21/2015 9:20:51 AM EDT

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Federal Tactical TRU 55gr (T223E)

Posted: 8/21/2015 7:08:53 PM EDT

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I am a FF, but talk to the range master often, he buys 9mm, 40, 45, 556, 308. the cops get to shoot what ever and when ever they want, if they want to take a class at Thunder Ranch or any other gun school that has a decent reputation he will supply the ammo for the class. Most any of the requests for classes are just rubber stamped approved.

Posted: 8/22/2015 6:02:28 AM EDT

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I am a FF, but talk to the range master often, he buys 9mm, 40, 45, 556, 308. the cops get to shoot what ever and when ever they want, if they want to take a class at Thunder Ranch or any other gun school that has a decent reputation he will supply the ammo for the class. Most any of the requests for classes are just rubber stamped approved.

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Hm.If I go to a firearms school its almost always on my own dime on vacation time from the agency
The last few armorer classes have been on paid time on the agency dime

Posted: 8/22/2015 9:42:46 PM EDT

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Federal T223E 55 gr JHP.

Posted: 9/2/2015 9:36:52 PM EDT

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My department issues us Winchester 55 Grain FMJ Q3131.

Posted: 9/3/2015 1:06:20 AM EDT

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We run Hornady 223 Rem 55 gr TAP. It is good stuff but I wish I they would step to the 75gr TAP.

All of the dept issued rifles are 1/9 and my rifle (personally owned) is 1/7, it really likes the heavier pills.

Posted: 9/4/2015 10:26:49 PM EDT

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We issue 55r Federal TRU. No field use but shoots well. Federal makes a ballistic equivalent for practice which is a nice bonus.

Posted: 9/6/2015 2:00:02 AM EDT

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The Hornady 55 grain VMAX TAP and Winchester 5.56 55gr FMJ. In downloaded 20 round mags, evidently they tested them with 20 and they weren't reliable

. I guess a handful of new Pmags would be asking to much.

Posted: 9/6/2015 3:29:34 AM EDT

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Of course it is when you can save a buck or two per mag going with a slightly cheaper alternative

Posted: 9/8/2015 1:36:49 PM EDT

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CCI/Speer 64 grain Gold Dot in our duty rifles.

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As do about 90% of Fed agencies.

Its a great round. Excellent accuracy (as long as you're not using old surplus rifles with a really slow twist) and excellent performance in gel tests.

Posted: 9/8/2015 1:44:36 PM EDT

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GoldDot 55.

Only stay with 55 as we have some old DRMO 1:12 M16s in service.

Posted: 9/13/2015 5:31:47 PM EDT

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Gold Dot 64g

Until recently it was Win Ranger 55g SP (or Rem UMC 55g FMJ/XM193/Win Q3131 if you got the RO who didn't know the difference

). None of those are good choices. You also got a 30rd GI mag of varying quality/condition with 21rds (I have no idea why they picked that number). I was fortunate to get a friendly RO who gave me a case so I could have extra mags loaded.

Posted: 9/17/2015 10:21:57 AM EDT

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We recently switched from Federal 62gr Tactical Bonded to Armscor 62gr Bonded Soft Point. The Armscor is new production ammo with new brass and uses the Fusion bullet. Armscor won't advertise that for contract reasons but a sales rep friend told me that and I then pulled bullets and checked it myself. The Armscor ammo is also extremely consistent with very little deviation across the chronograph. Its hot too, averaging 140FPS faster than the Federal. Accuracy was better than the Federal as well.

Best part, we are buying it for half the cost.