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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:17:17 AM EDT
If any of you have attended training at the 5 regional National Guard Training Centers you know they provide top notch training at no cost to you or your department. In the 2015 fiscal year the Counterdrug Training Centers are slated to be shutdown. Below is a link to CADCA that has an app to fax your local legislators and urge them to keep the Training Centers open. The training is not only available to law enforcement but military as well. If you have an extra minute or two please do your part and follow the link to help keep these valuable training opportunities available!
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How about no. OK. They'll just continue to do the same job with less training. Or maybe the next time the FBI asks them to kick in a door on a no-knock warrant, they'll say,"Uh, we're not trained for that. Why don't you do it?" One way to slow down the militarization of US domestic police forces is to not have the military train them. |
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Or maybe the next time the FBI asks them to kick in a door on a no-knock warrant, they'll say,"Uh, we're not trained for that. Why don't you do it?" One way to slow down the militarization of US domestic police forces is to not have the military train them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How about no. OK. They'll just continue to do the same job with less training. Or maybe the next time the FBI asks them to kick in a door on a no-knock warrant, they'll say,"Uh, we're not trained for that. Why don't you do it?" One way to slow down the militarization of US domestic police forces is to not have the military train them. Thank you for your feedback. You are not supportive...I get it. However, I did not post this in GD for a reason. Keep your comments out of Brothers of the Shield, please. Also to clarify the training is held at a military base but is not conducted by the military. I have attended classes for Interview and Interrogation, Seized Computer Evidence Recovery, Gang Recognition and so on. It is held by trainer's in the law enforcement field. |
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Quoted: Thank you for your feedback. You are not supportive...I get it. However, I did not post this in GD for a reason. Keep your comments out of Brothers of the Shield, please.
Also to clarify the training is held at a military base but is not conducted by the military. I have attended classes for Interview and Interrogation, Seized Computer Evidence Recovery, Gang Recognition and so on. It is held by trainer's in the law enforcement field. View Quote You could post it in your secure LEO forum. You posted in a public forum. Expect public comments. Good to know that its not National Guard trainers, b/c that's how your title reads & I know some National Guard Counter Drug guys. They're good folks, and I'd like to see them unemployed. |
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You could post it in your secure LEO forum. You posted in a public forum. Expect public comments. Good to know that its not National Guard trainers, b/c that's how your title reads & I know some National Guard Counter Drug guys. They're good folks, and I'd like to see them unemployed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Thank you for your feedback. You are not supportive...I get it. However, I did not post this in GD for a reason. Keep your comments out of Brothers of the Shield, please.
Also to clarify the training is held at a military base but is not conducted by the military. I have attended classes for Interview and Interrogation, Seized Computer Evidence Recovery, Gang Recognition and so on. It is held by trainer's in the law enforcement field. You could post it in your secure LEO forum. You posted in a public forum. Expect public comments. Good to know that its not National Guard trainers, b/c that's how your title reads & I know some National Guard Counter Drug guys. They're good folks, and I'd like to see them unemployed. Glad I could put your mind at ease. Please read the "Shift Briefing" at the top of the Brother's of the Shield forum. |
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Glad I could put your mind at ease. Please read the "Shift Briefing" at the top of the Brother's of the Shield forum. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Thank you for your feedback. You are not supportive...I get it. However, I did not post this in GD for a reason. Keep your comments out of Brothers of the Shield, please.
Also to clarify the training is held at a military base but is not conducted by the military. I have attended classes for Interview and Interrogation, Seized Computer Evidence Recovery, Gang Recognition and so on. It is held by trainer's in the law enforcement field. You could post it in your secure LEO forum. You posted in a public forum. Expect public comments. Good to know that its not National Guard trainers, b/c that's how your title reads & I know some National Guard Counter Drug guys. They're good folks, and I'd like to see them unemployed. Glad I could put your mind at ease. Please read the "Shift Briefing" at the top of the Brother's of the Shield forum. I have. Am I being demeaning to police officers by decrying the increasing militarization of local police forces, the erosion of rights by the War on Drugs, or out of control Federal spending? Or do you just not like dissent here? |
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Quoted: I have. Am I being demeaning to police officers by decrying the increasing militarization of local police forces, the erosion of rights by the War on Drugs, or out of control Federal spending? Or do you just not like dissent here? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: I have. Am I being demeaning to police officers by decrying the increasing militarization of local police forces, the erosion of rights by the War on Drugs, or out of control Federal spending? Or do you just not like dissent here? He didn't ask for comments, he asked that those who would be willing to do something. You're not willing to do so, and obviously you're not supportive of it either. You've made your point clear now, please stop disrupting the thread. |
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He didn't ask for comments, he asked that those who would be willing to do something. You're not willing to do so, and obviously you're not supportive of it either. You've made your point clear now, please stop disrupting the thread. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have been a cop for 20 years and dont think that the National Guard should have ANYTHING to do with drug enforcement or law enforcement for that matter, providing training, facilities or anything.
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Or maybe the next time the FBI asks them to kick in a door on a no-knock warrant, they'll say,"Uh, we're not trained for that. Why don't you do it?" One way to slow down the militarization of US domestic police forces is to not have the military train them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Or maybe the next time the FBI asks them to kick in a door on a no-knock warrant, they'll say,"Uh, we're not trained for that. Why don't you do it?" One way to slow down the militarization of US domestic police forces is to not have the military train them. How often do you think the FBI calls up local LE making such a request? Quoted:
You could post it in your secure LEO forum. You posted in a public forum. Expect public comments. Good to know that its not National Guard trainers, b/c that's how your title reads & I know some National Guard Counter Drug guys. They're good folks, and I'd like to see them unemployed. There are still rules about posts made in the public BoTS Please observe them |
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I went to computer search, seizure, and examination at NE counter drug about 8 years ago. It was a top notch program. Last time I took my family to Hershey park, we stopped on the way home at Ft. Indiantown gap, to let my daughter watch the helicopters, and for shoofly pie at Funck's.
Iirc a few years back, they lost their funding for a few years, and closed until it was re established. |
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I have been a cop for 20 years and dont think that the National Guard should have ANYTHING to do with drug enforcement or law enforcement for that matter, providing training, facilities or anything. J- View Quote You need to learn about interdiction. Their equipment is more important than the training. |
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I have been a cop for 20 years and dont think that the National Guard should have ANYTHING to do with drug enforcement or law enforcement for that matter, providing training, facilities or anything. J- View Quote You must have never been to any of the counter drug training centers. They provide top notch training with world class trainers at no cost to the agency. MCTC IIRC a couple years ago before the funding started drying up trained something like 20,000 cops a year with a $8 mil budget...and that included housing and food for the officers. And, while the training came under "counter drug" guise, it actually provides FAR more than just counter drug training. To put that into perspective....the American taxpayers paid WAY over $100,000,000 for police training in such shitholes as Columbia, Mexico, Afghanistan, Iraq, and various Central American countries. Look how much good that has done. Makes the $8,000,000 spent at places like MCTC seem like a pretty good value in comparison eh? The NG just provides the facilities and a handful of support personnel. All the actual instructors are recognized experts in their field. They are not in the military. I have attended many training courses through the counter drug training centers and 100% of the training was about how to do a variety of police work while following the rights of the American citizens. The instructors that I have received training from have been 100% supportive of our constitutional rights. Next time people whine about how police don't know their job....remember that your local PD is only as good as their training. Since budgets are tight in many places, training is the first to go. If your local cops are poorly trained....that's because your community won't provide the proper funding to provide sufficient training. The counter drug training centers are a great way to get well trained officers at no cost to your local jurisdiction. |
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I have been a cop for 20 years and dont think that the National Guard should have ANYTHING to do with drug enforcement or law enforcement for that matter, providing training, facilities or anything. J- You need to learn about interdiction. Their equipment is more important than the training. I'm interdiction trained. It has nothing to do with the training and/or equipement. Its the fact that a facet of the military is being used in domestic law enforcement. Dont expect many people in LE to understand my thinking. J- |
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I'm interdiction trained. It has nothing to do with the training and/or equipement. Its the fact that a facet of the military is being used in domestic law enforcement. Dont expect many people in LE to understand my thinking. J- View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have been a cop for 20 years and dont think that the National Guard should have ANYTHING to do with drug enforcement or law enforcement for that matter, providing training, facilities or anything. J- You need to learn about interdiction. Their equipment is more important than the training. I'm interdiction trained. It has nothing to do with the training and/or equipement. Its the fact that a facet of the military is being used in domestic law enforcement. Dont expect many people in LE to understand my thinking. J- That's part of the mission of the NATIONAL GUARD. |
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You must have never been to any of the counter drug training centers. They provide top notch training with world class trainers at no cost to the agency. MCTC IIRC a couple years ago before the funding started drying up trained something like 20,000 cops a year with a $8 mil budget...and that included housing and food for the officers. And, while the training came under "counter drug" guise, it actually provides FAR more than just counter drug training. To put that into perspective....the American taxpayers paid WAY over $100,000,000 for police training in such shitholes as Columbia, Mexico, Afghanistan, Iraq, and various Central American countries. Look how much good that has done. Makes the $8,000,000 spent at places like MCTC seem like a pretty good value in comparison eh? The NG just provides the facilities and a handful of support personnel. All the actual instructors are recognized experts in their field. They are not in the military. I have attended many training courses through the counter drug training centers and 100% of the training was about how to do a variety of police work while following the rights of the American citizens. The instructors that I have received training from have been 100% supportive of our constitutional rights. Next time people whine about how police don't know their job....remember that your local PD is only as good as their training. Since budgets are tight in many places, training is the first to go. If your local cops are poorly trained....that's because your community won't provide the proper funding to provide sufficient training. The counter drug training centers are a great way to get well trained officers at no cost to your local jurisdiction. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have been a cop for 20 years and dont think that the National Guard should have ANYTHING to do with drug enforcement or law enforcement for that matter, providing training, facilities or anything. J- You must have never been to any of the counter drug training centers. They provide top notch training with world class trainers at no cost to the agency. MCTC IIRC a couple years ago before the funding started drying up trained something like 20,000 cops a year with a $8 mil budget...and that included housing and food for the officers. And, while the training came under "counter drug" guise, it actually provides FAR more than just counter drug training. To put that into perspective....the American taxpayers paid WAY over $100,000,000 for police training in such shitholes as Columbia, Mexico, Afghanistan, Iraq, and various Central American countries. Look how much good that has done. Makes the $8,000,000 spent at places like MCTC seem like a pretty good value in comparison eh? The NG just provides the facilities and a handful of support personnel. All the actual instructors are recognized experts in their field. They are not in the military. I have attended many training courses through the counter drug training centers and 100% of the training was about how to do a variety of police work while following the rights of the American citizens. The instructors that I have received training from have been 100% supportive of our constitutional rights. Next time people whine about how police don't know their job....remember that your local PD is only as good as their training. Since budgets are tight in many places, training is the first to go. If your local cops are poorly trained....that's because your community won't provide the proper funding to provide sufficient training. The counter drug training centers are a great way to get well trained officers at no cost to your local jurisdiction. My disapproval has nothing to do with the constitution etc. It has to do with a branch of Militrary being used in/for domestic LE. J- |
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I have been a cop for 20 years and dont think that the National Guard should have ANYTHING to do with drug enforcement or law enforcement for that matter, providing training, facilities or anything. J- You need to learn about interdiction. Their equipment is more important than the training. I'm interdiction trained. It has nothing to do with the training and/or equipement. Its the fact that a facet of the military is being used in domestic law enforcement. Dont expect many people in LE to understand my thinking. J- That's part of the mission of the NATIONAL GUARD. Shouldn't be. Might as well be part of the Marines etc then. J- |
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Shouldn't be. Might as well be part of the Marines etc then. J- View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have been a cop for 20 years and dont think that the National Guard should have ANYTHING to do with drug enforcement or law enforcement for that matter, providing training, facilities or anything. J- You need to learn about interdiction. Their equipment is more important than the training. I'm interdiction trained. It has nothing to do with the training and/or equipement. Its the fact that a facet of the military is being used in domestic law enforcement. Dont expect many people in LE to understand my thinking. J- That's part of the mission of the NATIONAL GUARD. Shouldn't be. Might as well be part of the Marines etc then. J- Compelling argument there. |
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Or maybe the next time the FBI asks them to kick in a door on a no-knock warrant, they'll say,"Uh, we're not trained for that. Why don't you do it?" One way to slow down the militarization of US domestic police forces is to not have the military train them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How about no. OK. They'll just continue to do the same job with less training. Or maybe the next time the FBI asks them to kick in a door on a no-knock warrant, they'll say,"Uh, we're not trained for that. Why don't you do it?" One way to slow down the militarization of US domestic police forces is to not have the military train them. How dare the national guard protect us from the Mexican cartels!!!! I've never seen NG CD guys kicking doors but it's not like not going to this training is going to prevent them from raiding houses that's basic infantry tactics. Most of the counter drug guys were 11b or 19d. What branch of the .mil were you in? |
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I have been a cop for 20 years and dont think that the National Guard should have ANYTHING to do with drug enforcement or law enforcement for that matter, providing training, facilities or anything. J- You must have never been to any of the counter drug training centers. They provide top notch training with world class trainers at no cost to the agency. MCTC IIRC a couple years ago before the funding started drying up trained something like 20,000 cops a year with a $8 mil budget...and that included housing and food for the officers. And, while the training came under "counter drug" guise, it actually provides FAR more than just counter drug training. To put that into perspective....the American taxpayers paid WAY over $100,000,000 for police training in such shitholes as Columbia, Mexico, Afghanistan, Iraq, and various Central American countries. Look how much good that has done. Makes the $8,000,000 spent at places like MCTC seem like a pretty good value in comparison eh? The NG just provides the facilities and a handful of support personnel. All the actual instructors are recognized experts in their field. They are not in the military. I have attended many training courses through the counter drug training centers and 100% of the training was about how to do a variety of police work while following the rights of the American citizens. The instructors that I have received training from have been 100% supportive of our constitutional rights. Next time people whine about how police don't know their job....remember that your local PD is only as good as their training. Since budgets are tight in many places, training is the first to go. If your local cops are poorly trained....that's because your community won't provide the proper funding to provide sufficient training. The counter drug training centers are a great way to get well trained officers at no cost to your local jurisdiction. My disapproval has nothing to do with the constitution etc. It has to do with a branch of Militrary being used in/for domestic LE. J- Using facilities on a National Guard base isn't law enforcement. It's a place to train. Gotta train somewhere. Why buy land and build a training center when you have ready to use facilities? Using a National Guard base is a good use of taxpayer dollars. There's no valid reason not to. The counter drug training centers only use the bases for a place to train and then they have some NG staff that provide logistical support. No law enforcement action taking place there. Your argument makes no sense. You clearly have never been to one of the counter training centers. Educate yourself before posting comments that show you don't know what you are talking about. |
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I have been a cop for 20 years and dont think that the National Guard should have ANYTHING to do with drug enforcement or law enforcement for that matter, providing training, facilities or anything. J- You need to learn about interdiction. Their equipment is more important than the training. I'm interdiction trained. It has nothing to do with the training and/or equipement. Its the fact that a facet of the military is being used in domestic law enforcement. Dont expect many people in LE to understand my thinking. J- That's part of the mission of the NATIONAL GUARD. Shouldn't be. Might as well be part of the Marines etc then. J- Then you need to get the mission of the NG changed. Tell that to your representatives. Of course, it's not going anywhere because the state governments rely on the NG for some important duties, usually related to disasters. If the NG was prohibited from working within the US, there would have to be a replacement. What's your plan for that? |
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I have been a cop for 20 years and dont think that the National Guard should have ANYTHING to do with drug enforcement or law enforcement for that matter, providing training, facilities or anything. J- You need to learn about interdiction. Their equipment is more important than the training. I'm interdiction trained. It has nothing to do with the training and/or equipement. Its the fact that a facet of the military is being used in domestic law enforcement. Dont expect many people in LE to understand my thinking. J- That's part of the mission of the NATIONAL GUARD. Shouldn't be. Might as well be part of the Marines etc then. J- |
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Majority of time. Usually they work in conjunction with locals in a task force. Locals probably hit more doors than they do. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How often do you think the FBI calls up local LE making such a request? Majority of time. Usually they work in conjunction with locals in a task force. Locals probably hit more doors than they do. I don't believe he was talking about a task force. It sounded like he was claiming the FBI calls up local PDs and asks them to go kick in doors Which I've never heard of happening around here even once |
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I don't believe he was talking about a task force. It sounded like he was claiming the FBI calls up local PDs and asks them to go kick in doors Which I've never heard of happening around here even once View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How often do you think the FBI calls up local LE making such a request? Majority of time. Usually they work in conjunction with locals in a task force. Locals probably hit more doors than they do. I don't believe he was talking about a task force. It sounded like he was claiming the FBI calls up local PDs and asks them to go kick in doors Which I've never heard of happening around here even once In my 13 years, never once...... In fact, most local PD's don't get along well with federal agencies. Many years ago, a former chief of my dept, told a SAIC that he would arrest him for obstruction if he ever did anything in our town again without notifying the chief. |
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How often do you think the FBI calls up local LE making such a request? Majority of time. Usually they work in conjunction with locals in a task force. Locals probably hit more doors than they do. I don't believe he was talking about a task force. It sounded like he was claiming the FBI calls up local PDs and asks them to go kick in doors Which I've never heard of happening around here even once They do for us. Much easier to obtain a local warrant than a federal one. |
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Never received one lick of training from the military. The real truth is it's the other way around. We train THEM. Have a class at Ft Hood for two days next week matter of fact. I've taught 6 classes so far this year at Ft Hood.
My agency trained the 1st Cav on door-kicking for their initial deployment after 9-11. Policifying the Army. What horror. |
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Please inform me how being trained to deal with a one pot meth lab equals militarization simply because its learned from a counter drug training center?
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Please inform me how being trained to deal with a one pot meth lab equals militarization simply because its learned from a counter drug training center? Lots of tin foil in here, and a couple low information voters. View Quote Want to REALLY see these guys choke on their spittle? The military sends people to FEMA training centers. My instructor course at Anniston was a good %70 active duty. |
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Were 17Trillion in the hole. Funding has to be cut everywhere.
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If my agency isn't paying for it then it must be free, maybe paid for magic beans and fairy dust.
Nothing's free. We route all these tax dollars thru the military be cause that's the path of least resistance. No reason DOD should be involved in the counternarcotics or transnational org crime business. If the training's that valuable it can come thru Justice or DHS. Hope to see it defunded. |
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If my agency isn't paying for it then it must be free, maybe paid for magic beans and fairy dust. Nothing's free. We route all these tax dollars thru the military be cause that's the path of least resistance. No reason DOD should be involved in the counternarcotics or transnational org crime business. If the training's that valuable it can come thru Justice or DHS. Hope to see it defunded. View Quote Shut it down and centralize the training at FLETC Glynco. That way everyone gets to experience the FLETC Crud. |
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Were 17Trillion in the hole. Funding has to be cut everywhere. View Quote No disagreement. So, why aren't we cutting funding for police training of foreign countries but ARE cutting training for US police officers? The same elected representatives who voted against funding US police training, are also voting for providing money to fund police training of shithole countries....and that training is clearly turning them from corrupt/inept departments into state of the art/non-corrupt police departments Such a great use of taxpayer dollars. There sure are a surprising number of people in this thread showing their ignorance. |
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I have gone to numerous trainings because of this program. It has been great training, with great instructors. The facilities used were on National Guard bases, but all training was put on by LE. The reason why LE and military are training together is because of an over lap with a lot of the things being observed on the street and on bases across the nation. Street gangs, motorcycle gangs, drugs, and drug interdiction.
For those that have the opportunity to receive some of the trainings, do it! For those of you that fail to see the connection, take a step back and look at again. The military is a slice of the population, both good and bad. Gangs are sending members into the service to receive up to date training on urban warfare and taking it back to their gang to teach them. The military also needs the newest information available from up to date gang units. In turn we use their facilities to conduct the training. I've sent my letter to support this program. I hope that it continues. |
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Aid to Mexico police almost $1 billion
Glad to see we are wasting so much money on foreign police departments. |
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