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Posted: 4/5/2014 6:05:10 AM EDT
Our daughter is 15 years old. She wants to be a LEO.
She is currently in H.S. She has been advised to get a buisnes degree with a minor in computer forensics.
She was told that every dept has a need for those skills.
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Our daughter is 15 years old. She wants to be a LEO.

She is currently in H.S. She has been advised to get a buisnes degree with a minor in computer forensics.

She was told that every dept has a need for those skills.
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Great theory. You don't need a LE specific degree to get into LE. Always better to have one that will serve you if you get injured or otherwise have to leave the force.



 
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Great theory. You don't need a LE specific degree to get into LE. Always better to have one that will serve you if you get injured or otherwise have to leave the force.
 
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Our daughter is 15 years old. She wants to be a LEO.
She is currently in H.S. She has been advised to get a buisnes degree with a minor in computer forensics.
She was told that every dept has a need for those skills.

Great theory. You don't need a LE specific degree to get into LE. Always better to have one that will serve you if you get injured or otherwise have to leave the force.
 

That's the advice my son was given by a senior Michigan State Police trooper friend of mine.
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Sage advice.

Or just a computer degree.  Or an accounting degree.

Depends on what she wants to do.  Does she want to be an FBI agent?  Then a degree in mandarin with a minor in business, or something like that.

Stay far away from criminal justice.
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Criminal justice degrees are useless. Actually worse than useless because they could have been something useful instead (opportunity cost). Something that gives either a backup plan or specialty is much better. Business, accounting or something IT related is good. A foreign language is very nice as well (which is better depends on the region and field).
Link Posted: 4/5/2014 8:16:50 AM EDT
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I got my AAS in Criminal Justice, when I pursue my bachelor's it won't be.
Link Posted: 4/5/2014 8:32:17 AM EDT
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Good advice.  I'd personally advise an accounting or IT/CS degree with a business and/or foreign language minor.  Definitely take some foreign language classes regardless.  Specific language depends on the area she may want to work in or level of law enforcement.  At the state/local level, Spanish is probably going to the best in most areas.  For federal jobs, they cover dozens of different languages.  I'd say Mandarin, Arabic, or Russian would probably be ones that would be very attractive to federal agencies and would have classes at a lot universities.  Farsi, Urdu, Punjabi, Korean...  There are a ton that would be invaluable to have on a resume.  Computer forensics is a growing field but it's a relatively small community in law enforcement and it's hard to break into without previous IT/CS experience.  If that's the direction she wants to head, I'd recommend starting with a generalized IT/CS education.
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No, but she should get a  degree that covers what she might want to do after her LE career is over.
In other words, anything but a criminal justice degree
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Our daughter is 15 years old. She wants to be a LEO.


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Currently working on my networking specialist associate's degree.







16 year ex-LEO here.  Got hired by the local university as a network support associate 3 weeks ago.







I make more $$$ now than as a LEO.  And I don't even have my degree yet either.







I wouldn't wish my son to be a LEO either.  

 
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No, but she should get a  degree that covers what she might want to do after her LE career is over.

In other words, anything but a criminal justice degree
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No, but she should get a  degree that covers what she might want to do after her LE career is over.

In other words, anything but a criminal justice degree




 
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I know several LEOs with a CJ degree.




Didn't do jack shit when it came to promotions or a bump in pay.



Link Posted: 4/5/2014 9:04:43 AM EDT
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Different agencies require different things.

For the longest time you wouldn't be allowed to apply at my agency with a business degree. That just changed this year

It used to be a Criminal Justice, Socialogy, or Psychology were the only degrees they accepted.

Link Posted: 4/5/2014 2:34:02 PM EDT
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As a father and a cop who appreciates the value of a good female officer, I can tell you that the only right answer for her is grad school and go Fed.
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Tell her to get a good degree that's useful like mechanical engineering.  That way she has something to fall back on if she doesn't like it.  If she really wants to be prepared tell her to follow that up with a masters in public administration.  A vagina and a masters degree will rocket her to the top.

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Great theory. You don't need a LE specific degree to get into LE. Always better to have one that will serve you if you get injured or otherwise have to leave the force.
 
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Our daughter is 15 years old. She wants to be a LEO.
She is currently in H.S. She has been advised to get a buisnes degree with a minor in computer forensics.
She was told that every dept has a need for those skills.

Great theory. You don't need a LE specific degree to get into LE. Always better to have one that will serve you if you get injured or otherwise have to leave the force.
 


Yep
Link Posted: 4/5/2014 6:07:28 PM EDT
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I have an agriculture degree and I got hired out of almost 1k applicants I am sure the specialty degrees will help her be more competitive, but they are not absolutely necessary.
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Different agencies require different things.

For the longest time you wouldn't be allowed to apply at my agency with a business degree. That just changed this year

It used to be a Criminal Justice, Socialogy, or Psychology were the only degrees they accepted.

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My wife's last agency is still like that. Her current one doesn't require a degree at all, but she has a Master's (in CJ/Forensic Psych) and they're after her hard to transfer to the street, go to that academy (her last agency used a specialized cert) and as soon as she's done with FTO, go into investigations.   I think she's going to do it, but I'm not a fan of the shit pay.
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Good advice.  I'd personally advise an accounting or IT/CS degree with a business and/or foreign language minor.  Definitely take some foreign language classes regardless.  Specific language depends on the area she may want to work in or level of law enforcement.  At the state/local level, Spanish is probably going to the best in most areas.  For federal jobs, they cover dozens of different languages.  I'd say Mandarin, Arabic, or Russian would probably be ones that would be very attractive to federal agencies and would have classes at a lot universities.  Farsi, Urdu, Punjabi, Korean...  There are a ton that would be invaluable to have on a resume.  Computer forensics is a growing field but it's a relatively small community in law enforcement and it's hard to break into without previous IT/CS experience.  If that's the direction she wants to head, I'd recommend starting with a generalized IT/CS education.
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I would say this post is spot-on.

I am a federal LE supervisor with a role in the hiring process. My background is Army, then city PD, state police, and federal. I have met, mingled with, worked alongside, and supervised people from a huge variety of backgrounds. Very few possess degrees in such things as CJ or Police Administration. Those who are most successful in their careers bring a well-rounded mix of skills to the table-- and language is rapidly (seen changing a lot even within my last 8 years as a fed) escalating in value for the LE field.

Not to derail the topic, but I would highly recommend some military service as well. Not only because of the obvious benefits, but also for the opportunity to learn some languages that may otherwise prove difficult to find good training in. Also the places that teach those languages can prove to be invaluable for networking when she is looking to use her language skills down the road. I'm not going to get into details, but some rather unusual languages I picked up thanks to the Army/DLI came in very handy later in life, when people who needed those skills came back to locate me (via DLI) and offer me some priceless opportunities.
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Sage advice.

Or just a computer degree.  Or an accounting degree.

Depends on what she wants to do.  Does she want to be an FBI agent?  Then a degree in mandarin with a minor in business, or something like that.

Stay far away from criminal justice.
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Our daughter is 15 years old. She wants to be a LEO.
She is currently in H.S. She has been advised to get a buisnes degree with a minor in computer forensics.
She was told that every dept has a need for those skills.


Sage advice.

Or just a computer degree.  Or an accounting degree.

Depends on what she wants to do.  Does she want to be an FBI agent?  Then a degree in mandarin with a minor in business, or something like that.

Stay far away from criminal justice.

Yep
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Criminal justice degrees are useless. Actually worse than useless because they could have been something useful instead (opportunity cost). Something that gives either a backup plan or specialty is much better. Business, accounting or something IT related is good. A foreign language is very nice as well (which is better depends on the region and field).
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they are not completely useless, you can use it to get into law enforcement, but just not much else.

now a degree in art or drama, that shit is useless.

guide your child to get a degree in another area they are interested in that they might pursue if they end up not liking law enforcement.
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Very good idea to learn something practical. Stay far away from CJ. I found through taking a couple courses as electives, that most CJ classes have nothing to do with law enforcement. Rather, they focus on how horrible law enforcement is. And how the system hurts the bad guys and keeps them down. I majored in history and minored in both business and marketing.  I would have majored in my minors if it wasn't almost impossible to switch at my university.  The skills I learned in my minors are far more valuable to me in my LE career. My masters is in public safety management, which is essentially an MBA geared towards the public sector.  LE is a business just like any other, we have budgets, need to market our services, and manage both people and resources.
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they are not completely useless, you can use it to get into law enforcement, but just not much else.

now a degree in art or drama, that shit is useless.

guide your child to get a degree in another area they are interested in that they might pursue if they end up not liking law enforcement.
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Criminal justice degrees are useless. Actually worse than useless because they could have been something useful instead (opportunity cost). Something that gives either a backup plan or specialty is much better. Business, accounting or something IT related is good. A foreign language is very nice as well (which is better depends on the region and field).
they are not completely useless, you can use it to get into law enforcement, but just not much else.

now a degree in art or drama, that shit is useless.

guide your child to get a degree in another area they are interested in that they might pursue if they end up not liking law enforcement.


Most places I've seen an art or drama degree would be just as useful in getting into LE as CJ, they are just looking for degree - yes or no.
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Great theory. You don't need a LE specific degree to get into LE. Always better to have one that will serve you if you get injured or otherwise have to leave the force.
 
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Our daughter is 15 years old. She wants to be a LEO.
She is currently in H.S. She has been advised to get a buisnes degree with a minor in computer forensics.
She was told that every dept has a need for those skills.

Great theory. You don't need a LE specific degree to get into LE. Always better to have one that will serve you if you get injured or otherwise have to leave the force.
 

this is absolutely correct
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 10:05:20 AM EDT
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Rarely have I've seen rookie go straight into "investigations" with or without specialized degree/training. For local/state LEO usually you have to put work in on the streets and unless she's the athlete/tomboy who can handle herself in a fight, tell her to go Federal.  Seen too many tiny/small stature females get injured or their partner injured because they couldn't handle the physical aspect of the job but hired to meet quota.  That's why I disagree with lowering the standards for female candidates.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 3:36:11 PM EDT
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In NJ, whenever someone asks what they should do to become a LEO, I tell them to join the military. NJ civil service gives preference to veterans. Vets automatically go to the top of any civil service department hiring list, as long as they passed the test, and they can't be skipped without just cause.
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DO NOT get a degree in criminal justice...if i could do it over again i would get a computer or accounting degree

I wouldve also joined the army right  out of HS and did my time then went to school...they pay and you have good life experience...hindsight 20/20 lol

I wish her the best of luck...its a rewarding and sometimes annoying job
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 8:19:59 PM EDT
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In PA, (for the majority) it doenst matter what degree you have if your not ACT 120 certified (for local that is).
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Rarely have I've seen rookie go straight into "investigations" with or without specialized degree/training. For local/state LEO usually you have to put work in on the streets and unless she's the athlete/tomboy who can handle herself in a fight, tell her to go Federal.  Seen too many tiny/small stature females get injured or their partner injured because they couldn't handle the physical aspect of the job but hired to meet quota.  That's why I disagree with lowering the standards for female candidates.
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A lot of truth in this statement...
Link Posted: 4/7/2014 1:12:46 PM EDT
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I have an Associates and Bachelors in CJ.  They did absolutely nothing to enhance my LE career or get me hired anywhere.  CJ aside, a bachelors degree will open more doors than not having one at all.  I would have gotten mine in business or something more useful, but I was too far along to change my major.  I left LE with 11 years in and went to work in defense logistics for the Missile Defense Agency.  My major didn't get me hired, the fact I had a bachelors degree did.  Not to mention knowing the right people.  I am currently working on a Masters in Operations Management.  My advice would be to get a degree in business or accounting and go into the military for added experience and networking potential.
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Tell her to get a good degree that's useful like mechanical engineering.  That way she has something to fall back on if she doesn't like it.  If she really wants to be prepared tell her to follow that up with a masters in public administration.  A vagina and a masters degree will rocket her to the top.

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Cops aren't smart enough to differentiate between engineering specialties - chem, civil, mech, computer - it's all the same to them.

Masters & vagina is GTG in almost any field.
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 12:52:01 AM EDT
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I have a criminal justice degree and got hired doing corporate work out of school. The world is definitely competitive and I think it's important having any degree. Where I see a lot of people talking negatively about the criminal justice degree, it helps to know the source (more about that later). LE agencies DO have pay incentives for degreed candidates. I'll make it clear and tell you it's about who you know. It's also about how you sell yourself as a potential employee.

The advice your daughter got is sound. It's a second option that allows her to find alternative work in case she's hit by a car and unable to work LE. To answer what others haven't, essentially "is a criminal justice degree worth it?" And I would say simply, if it's your intention to work LE, yes. Does she need the degree per say to be successful? No, but having a degree goes a long way. Here in Houston, plants are always hiring operators and they can make anywhere from 70-100+ a year with great benefits and retirement options. Having a degree puts you above other candidates in a very competitive market, even if it's in underwater basket weaving. Whether someone who's uneducated likes it or not, pending your performance on the job you have more promotion opportunities in said company. There's a large debate on jobs like these that vary in detail, but allow you to do alternative work if LE doesn't pan out. Something else to consider and something a lot of people don't realize is that WHERE your degree comes from matters. Getting a criminal justice degree (or any degree) from a non state funded, typically nationally accredit ted college like your ITT techs and other for profit univs aren't worth the paper they're printed on, where as a criminal justice degree from a UT system school has value and validity to it, from an employers perspective.

My advice: tldr; CJ degrees aren't useless but the advise is good. Let her decide. She can still be successful at numerous things but having an education is essential.
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 2:30:09 AM EDT
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From what I've noticed in WI, a bachelor's in CJ really isn't very practical. Our tech schools actually better prepare people to work the road in an associates program.

Also, as mentioned previously, having a degree will help but it really doesn't matter much what the degree is in. My degree is in Natural Resource Management and it got me hired as a cop. Departments tend to favor diversity...
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 6:31:27 PM EDT
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Not reading all the posts...

Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should she get a degree in Criminal Justice.  Most worthless degree out there!

She needs to get a "fall back" degree in something real in the event she can't hack the job.  If she spends 4 years getting a criminal justice degree and decides she hates the field, going to be hard getting a job elsewhere.  Law Enforcement jobs that require a degree do NOT CARE if it's Criminal Justice, Business Management, Ect.  

Link Posted: 4/15/2014 6:36:40 PM EDT
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"Criminal Justice" is the stupidest ('most stupid' for you Ivy League types ) major ever.
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I am a police officer and I would highly recommend she NOT get a CJ degree.

Unless she is wanting to teach it or something it isn't the most helpful thing.
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Networking and knowing the right people is more important than what her major is.  I did Criminal Justice because I was in LE at the time.  It was easy for me.  I rarely studiedand graduated with a 3.8 GPA.  The fact that I had a bachelor's degree, regardless of major, coupled with knowing the right people is what afforded me the opportunity to make a career change.  It's WHO you know, not WHAT you know.
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Depending on the area knowing Spanish is a bonus. One of my local PDs has some of the fiercest competition for hiring ($150k+ salary) and they have a separate hiring list just for Spanish speakers.
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My wife and I both retired as bosses, she came on the job out of the Navy and pursued a degree in CJ because it was easy and got her a raise. She then took a Master's in Public Administration. She retired and works for DOD now.

My degrees are in psychology and chemistry, MPA, earned incentive pay and gave points on promotion tests. City paid for most of a PhD as well.

Law enforcement was a fun job for 20 years, for both of us.

Anyone going into it should pre-position themselves for retirement or job loss.
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One thing you should look into is the Explore program. They are administered through the Boy Scouts. It gives people age 16 - 21, the real life experience on what the program and job actually entails. Some departments let the kids do more than others. I started with a Sheriff's office that met once a weeknight, We did training with advisory officers. After a set amount of training we could go on ride along on the patrol officers shift. It gives you an idea on how the job actually works. explorer program info Some info to check out. Its a great program. I did it when I was 16 and learned a great deal. It also helped on my interview because I knew most in the department and they knew my work ethic and what type of employee I would be. Just something to look into. They have them for a lot of jobs. My older brother did one in the petro-chemical industry so its not just public safety jobs.
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They shuffled papers at my PD.
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They shuffled papers at my PD.


Explore this filing cabinet.
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They shuffled papers at my PD.

Explore this filing cabinet.

Sit down and explore this desk.  
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The truth is spoken.
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hey fuck you! I learned the history of organized crime and the sociology of criminal organizations!  
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hey fuck you! I learned the history of organized crime and the sociology of criminal organizations!  


That's funny. I majored in political science with an emphasis on public law and ended up being a cop. You took CJ and became a lawyer?
Link Posted: 4/17/2014 7:58:10 PM EDT
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This a great post and kudos to the op for being proactive on behalf of his daughter!

My daughter is now 19, has same plans.  Wants to do Fed LE in some capacity (I'm Fed DOT/FAA and highly recommend a Fed career) and we/she has found little guidance, so the she has been in college working torwards a CJ degree.  Seems logical right.....  Okay, she got bored with the college scene and enlisted in the Air Guard, in the Intelligence field, just graduated bmt and is now in tech school for 5 months then goes seasoning (OJT) for another 120 days.  Specifically she is in the Geospatial Intel field.  Prob end up at Langley AFB for seasoning.  A coworker is a Capt. in Intel and says they can't keep anyone after their initial commitment because the ABC groups are them picking up as fast as they can and paying them $65-70k to start.  For a 24-25 yr olds that's awesome coin with a secure future...

This field is relatively new and fast growing, 20k signing bonus, 100% instate college tuition + GI bill+ GI bill kicker and the chance to proudly serve our country.  What's not to like?

I'm telling ya, the pride I felt (the tears were just running) and saw her feel when she graduated BMT last week was incredible and ranks right up there with her birth...  Flipping amazing!  She digs it ta boot..  My little girl went from a bored college kid to a strong young woman with great future in 8.5 wks...  She has had her sights set on the FBI, but now has possibilities to work for the DOD, NGA, CIA, DHS, etc... to consider and explore..  With luck she'll get some good career guidance counseling to make the right degree selection to further enhance her skills/marketability to achieve her career goals.

Great post and great info.  To the op, this may be a direction you may want to introduce your daughter to.  To the rest, great info on degree field options..

And I'm Rod, this is my first post and I am wrapping up my first AR build..  Thanks for letting me share.

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This a great post and kudos to the op for being proactive on behalf of his daughter!

My daughter is now 19, has same plans.  Wants to do Fed LE in some capacity (I'm Fed DOT/FAA and highly recommend a Fed career) and we/she has found little guidance, so the she has been in college working torwards a CJ degree.  Seems logical right.....  Okay, she got bored with the college scene and enlisted in the Air Guard, in the Intelligence field, just graduated bmt and is now in tech school for 5 months then goes seasoning (OJT) for another 120 days.  Specifically she is in the Geospatial Intel field.  Prob end up at Langley AFB for seasoning.  A coworker is a Capt. in Intel and says they can't keep anyone after their initial commitment because the ABC groups are them picking up as fast as they can and paying them $65-70k to start.  For a 24-25 yr olds that's awesome coin with a secure future...

This field is relatively new and fast growing, 20k signing bonus, 100% instate college tuition + GI bill+ GI bill kicker and the chance to proudly serve our country.  What's not to like?

I'm telling ya, the pride I felt (the tears were just running) and saw her feel when she graduated BMT last week was incredible and ranks right up there with her birth...  Flipping amazing!  She digs it ta boot..  My little girl went from a bored college kid to a strong young woman with great future in 8.5 wks...  She has had her sights set on the FBI, but now has possibilities to work for the DOD, NGA, CIA, DHS, etc... to consider and explore..  With luck she'll get some good career guidance counseling to make the right degree selection to further enhance her skills/marketability to achieve her career goals.

Great post and great info.  To the op, this may be a direction you may want to introduce your daughter to.  To the rest, great info on degree field options..

And I'm Rod, this is my first post and I am wrapping up my first AR build..  Thanks for letting me share.

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Congrats to your daughter and to you Sir!
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 7:30:17 AM EDT
[#48]
I am an LEO and have an education degree, it allows me to sub and coach on my days off
Chart orange is a beautiful thing
Link Posted: 4/20/2014 8:35:41 AM EDT
[#49]
All that matters anymore is a degree doesn't matter what its in. I always suggest getting a degree in something you are interested in doing should a career in LE not pan out which unfortunately do to injury etc... it rarely does for a whole career.
Link Posted: 4/22/2014 6:26:59 PM EDT
[#50]
There is really nothing more useless than a CJ degree.  We don't look for them and we require a degree. God forbid she wants to do something else after a few years (which is a strong likelihood with many people who think they want to be in LE).  Please get something besides CJ.
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