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Posted: 1/9/2013 10:19:07 PM
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Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) Recently Amended to Include Former and current Military LEOs
The LEOSA, also known as H.R. 218, allows current and former law enforcement officers (LEOs) to carry concealed firearms throughout the United States, regardless of individual State concealed carry laws. Until recently, it was restricted to civilian LEOs who currently or formerly held "statutory power of arrest.” While military LEOs do not have statutory arrest authority, they hold the equivalent military "apprehension” authority as prescribed by the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). The original language in the LEOSA did not give equal footing to these two types of authority.

On January 2, 2013, President Obama signed the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act which contains an amendment to the LEOSA. Specifically it states that a former police officer or LEO with either the statutory power of arrest or power of apprehension under the UCMJ is now permitted to carry concealed firearms under the LEOSA.

The full text of the bill can be found at the link, and the specific amendment to the LEOSA runs from pages 339 – 40.
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so since im a MP and now hold LEOSA status am i now allowed to be included in the ARFCOM LEO family?
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Posted: 1/9/2013 10:34:08 PM
Interesting... I worked as a Navy LEO for about a year as a temporary assignment. Still had arrest powers. I wonder how one would go about proving that or is it just for those within the rating/MOS.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:19:12 PM
Originally Posted By SharpCharge:
Interesting... I worked as a Navy LEO for about a year as a temporary assignment. Still had arrest powers. I wonder how one would go about proving that or is it just for those within the rating/MOS.


I'd imagine you need 10 years in the MOS, or a medical retirement from it. Pretty sure that's the rule of thumb for former LE....
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Posted: 1/10/2013 1:53:45 AM
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You'll have to retire and be issued LEO credentials. The DOD cops will be happy. Interested in seeing the DoD policy on this as it pertains to MP/SP/MA/etc.

ETA:

The way I've been reading it, it seems to apply to DoD Police Officers. They have to have been employed as a "Police Officer" or "Law Enforcement Officer" as stated below.


inserting ‘‘that identifies the employee as a
police officer or law enforcement officer of the agency’’;

1. Are the Armed Services referred to as an "Agency"?
2. Are any active duty military referred to as "employee"?
3. Are there specific MOS that say "Police Officer' or "Law Enforcement Officer"?

4. Do DoD civilian Police Officers operate under the UCMJ?
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Posted: 1/10/2013 6:47:23 AM
The problem that I see is the requirement for a retired ID, DoD is one thing, but regular retired service does not list MOS as far as I know. I have no problem with this, more armed trained people the better. Just don't know about the ID part.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:44:00 PM
Originally Posted By ranger38:
The problem that I see is the requirement for a retired ID, DoD is one thing, but regular retired service does not list MOS as far as I know. I have no problem with this, more armed trained people the better. Just don't know about the ID part.
Retired and active ID don't list MOS. Maybe carry a copy of your DD214?

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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:47:59 PM
Awesome!
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Anyone have an answer to these questions?

1. Are the Armed Services referred to as an "Agency"?
2. Are any active duty military referred to as "employee"?
3. Are there specific MOS that say "Police Officer' or "Law Enforcement Officer"?

4. Do DoD civilian Police Officers operate under the UCMJ?
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Posted: 1/12/2013 8:53:28 PM
Originally Posted By 1387Delta:
Anyone have an answer to these questions?

1. Are the Armed Services referred to as an "Agency"?
2. Are any active duty military referred to as "employee"?
3. Are there specific MOS that say "Police Officer' or "Law Enforcement Officer"?

4. Do DoD civilian Police Officers operate under the UCMJ?


I am a Lead Firearms instructor for the Federal Bureau of Prisons I have to touch on LEOSA regularly for our folks. I am also retired ANG and prior active duty. The LEOSA update sined DOES NOT cover active duty or reserve military only civilian DOD Police.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 9:02:58 PM
Explain how then..... It's easy to make a statement without any explanation.
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The bill would also clarify that any Federal law enforcement
officer classified as a GS 0083 or any successor to that series who
is employed by the Executive Branch also be deemed to meet the
definition of "qualified active or retired law enforcement officer”
in the current statute. The FOP maintains that these Federal law
enforcement officers are already covered by the existing statute,
but it is the position of the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) or
any of its subsidiary Departments that their officers do not meet
the LEOSA definitions. This provision was written in conjunction
with the Chairman’s staff to ensure that all civilian Federal
law enforcement officers, those employed by the DoD in particular,
would unambiguously be covered by the existing statute.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 12:13:31 PM
Wasn't there a case prior to this of a active US Coast Guard employee arrested for carrying a gun, but then was cleared because of LEOSA?
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Posted: 1/14/2013 6:05:00 PM
The LEOSA, also known as H.R. 218, allows current and former law enforcement officers (LEOs) to carry concealed firearms throughout the United States, regardless of individual State concealed carry laws would this also include any OLD or new NYS laws that limit the amount of rounds that any retired LEO’S can carry?

The reason I ask as a retired NYC LEO our ccw says full carry occupation RET. POLICE OFFICER in NYS we have to follow the 1994 ban on mags pre-ban ok or 10 rds. On any new firearm unless you have pre-ban mags for the new firearm this might change thanks to our governor to 7 rds. And HR218 does not say anything about the amount OF RDS. A retired Leo can carry unless I am reading this wrong any help would be appreciated and thanks in advance
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Posted: 1/14/2013 6:28:59 PM
The Coast Guard case was in Newburgh NY Orange County, he was active duty, Coast Guard has arrest powers, this was used to get him off state charges, however still faced problems from Coast Guard for his actions. Don't know what happened after Orange County. The problem even with Coast Guard retired is the retired ID, not going to list duties.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 7:24:49 PM

Originally Posted By RRA15:
Wasn't there a case prior to this of a active US Coast Guard employee arrested for carrying a gun, but then was cleared because of LEOSA?

Wasn't the Coast Guard under DHS and they had arrest powers?
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Posted: 1/14/2013 7:37:34 PM

Originally Posted By in625shooter:
Originally Posted By 1387Delta:
Anyone have an answer to these questions?

1. Are the Armed Services referred to as an "Agency"?
2. Are any active duty military referred to as "employee"?
3. Are there specific MOS that say "Police Officer' or "Law Enforcement Officer"?

4. Do DoD civilian Police Officers operate under the UCMJ?


I am a Lead Firearms instructor for the Federal Bureau of Prisons I have to touch on LEOSA regularly for our folks. I am also retired ANG and prior active duty. The LEOSA update sined DOES NOT cover active duty or reserve military only civilian DOD Police.

BOP qualifies for LEOSA correct?
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Posted: 1/14/2013 7:54:53 PM
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Originally Posted By Cpatterson:

Originally Posted By in625shooter:
Originally Posted By 1387Delta:
Anyone have an answer to these questions?

1. Are the Armed Services referred to as an "Agency"?
2. Are any active duty military referred to as "employee"?
3. Are there specific MOS that say "Police Officer' or "Law Enforcement Officer"?

4. Do DoD civilian Police Officers operate under the UCMJ?


I am a Lead Firearms instructor for the Federal Bureau of Prisons I have to touch on LEOSA regularly for our folks. I am also retired ANG and prior active duty. The LEOSA update sined DOES NOT cover active duty or reserve military only civilian DOD Police.

BOP qualifies for LEOSA correct?


Yes ALL BOP employees are covered under LEOSA. BOP has statutory arrest powers as well as all other LEOSA requirments.The only exception is BOP has some Department of Public Health Services personell at Federal prisons. They are like a branch of the Military under the Surgon Generall of the U.S. We use to qualify DPHS staff on firearms but a new Surgon General came in and didn't allow them to handle firearms other than the initial training at Glynco.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 8:04:26 PM

Originally Posted By in625shooter:
Originally Posted By Cpatterson:

Originally Posted By in625shooter:
Originally Posted By 1387Delta:
Anyone have an answer to these questions?

1. Are the Armed Services referred to as an "Agency"?
2. Are any active duty military referred to as "employee"?
3. Are there specific MOS that say "Police Officer' or "Law Enforcement Officer"?

4. Do DoD civilian Police Officers operate under the UCMJ?


I am a Lead Firearms instructor for the Federal Bureau of Prisons I have to touch on LEOSA regularly for our folks. I am also retired ANG and prior active duty. The LEOSA update sined DOES NOT cover active duty or reserve military only civilian DOD Police.

BOP qualifies for LEOSA correct?


Yes ALL BOP employees are covered under LEOSA. BOP has statutory arrest powers as well as all other LEOSA requirments.The only exception is BOP has some Department of Public Health Services personell at Federal prisons. They are like a branch of the Military under the Surgon Generall of the U.S. We use to qualify DPHS staff on firearms but a new Surgon General came in and didn't allow them to handle firearms other than the initial training at Glynco.
cool good to know! I start with BOP later this month

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Posted: 1/14/2013 8:20:07 PM
I wonder how this applies to federal 1811's who are active duty or reserve...
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Originally Posted By Make_Mine_Moxie:
I wonder how this applies to federal 1811's who are active duty or reserve...



The 1811 series encompasses NCIS Special Agents, FBI Special Agents, USSS Special Agents, DEA Special Agents, etc.
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Originally Posted By Make_Mine_Moxie:
I wonder how this applies to federal 1811's who are active duty or reserve...


If they are on active duty orders they fall under the military. If you think your agency will cover you if you are out of paid military/annual leave days and are in an unpaid status and you don't violate a military rule thats on the person.
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Here is a little bit from the updated LEOSA bill from Jan 2013. Sorry Military MP members you are not covered.

The President had signed into law H.R. 4310, on Wednesday, 2 January 2013, at which point the changes became law. The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), Section 1089 of the bill, now law, contains language which clarifies that civilian law enforcement officers employed by the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) unambiguously meet the definitions in the Law Enforcement Officers' Safety Act (LEOSA). The language in Section 1089 clarifies the definitions of "qualified active" and "qualified retired" law enforcement officer to include officers who have or had the authority to apprehend suspects under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).
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I'm glad there is some help for DOD personnel. I'd think that some sort of credentials would need to be issued to retirees. Sadly while I carried firearms and protected nukes for the Dept of Energy and we had arrest powers for certain federal crimes, my brothers and I are considered just guards. Even though we had yearly physical qualifications to make, yearly psychiatric exams, yearly financial investigations, five year reinvestigations on our Q Clearances, quarterly weapons quals. on handgun and rifle, semi annual quals. on heavy weapons, eighty hours a year for training and work weeks averaging at least 55hrs, in the end we were guards. Only twenty-six years doing this. My site has now converted to DOD security and maybe if I can stay for another 19yrs eventually we may fall under this. I do have plenty of new brothers that retired as USAF cops who should be eligible for this amendment. Thanks for the information, I'll pass this on to them
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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:26:50 PM
I handled detainees in Afghanistan and Iraq. Does that count?
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Originally Posted By SPOII:
I'm glad there is some help for DOD personnel. I'd think that some sort of credentials would need to be issued to retirees. Sadly while I carried firearms and protected nukes for the Dept of Energy and we had arrest powers for certain federal crimes, my brothers and I are considered just guards. Even though we had yearly physical qualifications to make, yearly psychiatric exams, yearly financial investigations, five year reinvestigations on our Q Clearances, quarterly weapons quals. on handgun and rifle, semi annual quals. on heavy weapons, eighty hours a year for training and work weeks averaging at least 55hrs, in the end we were guards. Only twenty-six years doing this. My site has now converted to DOD security and maybe if I can stay for another 19yrs eventually we may fall under this. I do have plenty of new brothers that retired as USAF cops who should be eligible for this amendment. Thanks for the information, I'll pass this on to them


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