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Posted: 7/21/2012 9:05:10 PM
The good news for you is that they had already begun to clean the place so hopefully your exposure is minimized. Be hypervigilent about your health and get everything checked. Better to be on top and get early treatment if anything comes up. If enough people refuse training there they will be forced to relocate it to somewhere safe.
Be well and pass the word along. |
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Posted: 7/25/2012 3:55:02 PM
Originally Posted By PoisonedPatriots:
The good news for you is that they had already begun to clean the place so hopefully your exposure is minimized. Be hypervigilent about your health and get everything checked. Better to be on top and get early treatment if anything comes up. If enough people refuse training there they will be forced to relocate it to somewhere safe. Be well and pass the word along. Hey easy there, let's slow that roll for just a second! I am currently stationed there on the Engine Company that's on the traffic circle and have been teaching at the CDP on my off duty time, for over 12 years. How 'bout we push for a clean-up of the site before we "relocate" and cause me to lose my house
I'm also sure that all the people that have moved there, would like it to be cleaned up also. Matt |
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Posted: 7/25/2012 7:50:21 PM
Originally Posted By odontia32m:
Google Ft Greely Alaska for some good reading on what I/we were exposed to. Say what? I was at McClellan AND Greely...... |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 1:46:55 AM
[Last Edit: 7/26/2012 1:52:26 AM by arcticwarrior]
Originally Posted By odontia32m:
Google Ft Greely Alaska for some good reading on what I/we were exposed to. NWTC! Hey, they said my house was asbestos free when my pregnant wife and I moved in........... Veterans are always getting screwed and the V.A. is a fvcking joke. It's a far fetch, but my kids & I watched Jacobs Ladder again last weekend. When you sign the dotted line, you agree to be experimented on......... I don't agree with it, I'm just saying. Hell, I remember when we were all sitting in the post theater and they were telling everyone that the new and upcoming Anthrax vaccine would have some casualties associated with, but we were all ordered to get it anyway..... ![]() |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 2:45:46 AM
[Last Edit: 7/26/2012 2:48:50 AM by Royal_Rounder223]
Originally Posted By TheFuzz1779:
Originally Posted By Tac56:
Wow... I am former 95B who trained at McClellan (C co., 787th MP Batt), who is now a 18 year City cop.. I was diagnosed in January with an exceedingly rare version of colon cancer (stage 4) that my doctors can't explain... My doctors have been stumped because they estimate I developed my cancer at the age of 30 (I'm now 41) and they have never seen/treated anyone this young develop this particular cancer... I'm currently undoing chemo and have a decent chance of extending my initial diagnosis, which was having only 2 years left to live.... I wonder if there is any connection? This is the first I am hearing of this issue with Ft. McClellan... I know it was the Chemical Corps training base too, while I was there... Guess I have some research to do... OP.. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. -Tac Originally Posted By Tac56:
Assaulter, I went thru in 89-90.... A bit before you, but we chewed some of the same dirt... Up and down baby Baines... As far as the cancer goes... I'm fighting it as well as I can, but terminal isn't very promising.... I've been thru 11 chemo treatments and extensive surgery so far, and I have a couple more chemo treatments to go before we try something else... Let me tell you, chemo isn't for sissies.... I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy... If I had one. Thanks for your well wishes. -Tac I was there in '88-'89 (D Co. 795th MP Battalion) and was a civilian cop for 15 years. I have suffered forever with respiratory illnesses but never thought anything of it....until about a month ago when one of my coworkers (45 year old female) who suffers from severe rheumatoid arthritis and now has to use a scooter to get around told me that she was there in the mid 80's also but she was Chemical. Wow...good luck. My heart goes out to you and your families. OP, Thanks for the info, I'll pass it along. I want too say THANKS for your service to Country and Community! Prayers inbound! |
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Posted: 7/27/2012 7:28:29 AM
R/R223... Thank you for your prayers and support.
-Tac |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 8:53:23 PM
Small update: We all know the larger than normal numbers of cancer and respiratory issues for the veterans of Ft McClellan. New and interesting twist here though. Apparantly, many of the vets have been reviewing their old SMRs (service medical records) as well as subsequent treatment records. If you had any chest xrays, read the report yourself. Many of the vets are showing "lung" abnormailities. The hitch is that the doctors never advise you that there was anything found so you don;t know to follow up or watch closely. Since you didn't know you were exposed to toxins, neither you or your providers are watching it. This is evidence in itself if anyone has to file a claim with the VA for disability. Make sure you review your records so you can be informed. They do not have to tell you it was abnormal in any way. Quite disheartening.
Ask for a copy of all smrs and VA treatment if you had it. Its free and you may need them. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 9:03:27 PM
Where would the exposure have taken place?
I was there for basic training in 1983. The strange thing is that we were on bivouac close to the old wooded WAC barracks and we found a small stream. Some of us bathed in the stream and I made a comment about how safe it was. I knew that there was contamination on many Military bases. I have been having unexplainable issue for many years. This make me curious. |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 8:08:34 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/31278755/detail.html
This link is to a news story about it although it focuses on Agent Orange. This is a multi chemcial exposure issue, but at least the word is getting out. |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 10:31:23 PM
[Last Edit: 8/5/2012 10:31:39 PM by cmattdvc]
Originally Posted By PoisonedPatriots:
Small update: We all know the larger than normal numbers of cancer and respiratory issues for the veterans of Ft McClellan. New and interesting twist here though. Apparantly, many of the vets have been reviewing their old SMRs (service medical records) as well as subsequent treatment records. If you had any chest xrays, read the report yourself. Many of the vets are showing "lung" abnormailities. The hitch is that the doctors never advise you that there was anything found so you don;t know to follow up or watch closely. Since you didn't know you were exposed to toxins, neither you or your providers are watching it. This is evidence in itself if anyone has to file a claim with the VA for disability. Make sure you review your records so you can be informed. They do not have to tell you it was abnormal in any way. Quite disheartening. Ask for a copy of all smrs and VA treatment if you had it. Its free and you may need them. How 'bout people that are CURRENTLY there? The Army National Guard has a huge group there, and like I said, I'm in the fire station that is full of lead paint and asbestos. Your thoughts? Matt |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 9:17:57 PM
Well now thats impossible because I am looking at a goverment report that says its all up to specs. Serious but sarcastic. Yes, there are crews still working there to clean it. Read this and it will chill you to the core as well. The "burial mound" is that but we all thought it was for people. It was for nuclear material that the governement "cleaned". This is the info for AFTER they cleaned up. If it weren;t a tragedy I would laugh. They LOST nuclear material and had to ask for help finding it. Guess what? They can't find it all. We have started some facebook groups so people can download some documents to file disability claims. We veterans are barred from suing as I understand it because of the ferres doctrine. Basically the military gets to kill, injure or do whatever and you can;t do anything. Not even for incompetent medical. The families may be able to. Not sure. NUCLEAR LINK BELOW
http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1008/ML100850454.pdf There is also a bunch of info out there about VX nerve agent that was live tested there. They dumped 500 gallons of some crap into Cane Creek while I was there and contemporaneous with my bivouac (we drank from that creek!!!) It killed fish for a mile and a half. (Nov 84) Radioactive spill in 1984 (in addition to report above) Look at some of the studies. They are long and you will be depressed but they will help you if you file a disbility claim with social sec and or the VA. There are a lot of people that have families that are sick. A spouse is awful, but the children are the heartbreakers. |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 9:26:26 PM
A lot of folks on the facebook threads have been saying they are screening in standard xrays for interstial lung issues which is at least indicative of chem exposure.
Take a look at this as well. http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1008/ML100850454.pdf Nuclear material was buried all over the base. They cleaned it up and asked for help finding the rest. |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 9:27:00 PM
A lot of folks on the facebook threads have been saying they are screening in standard xrays for interstial lung issues which is at least indicative of chem exposure.
Take a look at this as well. http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1008/ML100850454.pdf Nuclear material was buried all over the base. They cleaned it up and asked for help finding the rest. |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 9:31:49 PM
They have been cleaning that place for decades and it still isn't finished. Read the study I posted about all of the nuclear material that is "lost" because they buried it and can't find it. How about the numerous toxic dumpings into Cane Creek which feeds all of the tributaries? I'd like to say thay have it safe now but that seems rather counter intuitive given the facts of this case. You decide what is best for you and your family, but you ought to talk to some of the people that are incredibly sick, dying, etc. Statistically, too many to be what the normal population would get. Please take this seriously. You only get one life.
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Posted: 8/14/2012 9:38:00 PM
Originally Posted By fxntime:
I was stationed there, not dead yet. I was born there. |
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Posted: 8/14/2012 10:18:30 PM
My best friend went through Ft. McClellan as an 11Xray, his MOS was chemical, then he followed on to RIP, then the 2nd of the 75th RR at Fort Lewis. He was in the first wave to drop on Rio Hato in December 20, 1989. He has never complained of any service related maladies. He even spoke of working in a chemical atmosphere with Sarin gas present in training.
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Posted: 8/24/2012 8:18:25 PM
The specific radiation that is admitted in the government reports is Cs-137, Co-60, and Sr90. Chemicals are insanel;y numerous. Excerpt from my draft of paper to the V.A
U.S. Army Environmental Hygiene Agency, Industrial Radiation Consultation No. 27-43-EU66-99....Ft. McClellan, Alabama, 30 March - 2 April, 1993 indicates that Building 3182 is the Military Police Museum, offices, and M.P. classrooms. It is a former radiological facility that was contaminated in the 1970s. “ Regarding the status of surface contamination of outside areas, Cs-137 was spread into concrete expansion joints along the apron behind Building 3182. Cesium-137 and Co-60 contamination was apparently spread over the soil around Building 3192.” C-137 increases a persons risk for cancer and other health issues. The study further indicated that even though clean up efforts had been made, there were ongoing radiation issues which required “decontamination or removal and radioactive waste disposal of radioactive material. The report further recommended that after removal of the radioactive material that the ground should be tested at a depth of 12 feet, and all underground pipes and manways. As of the 1993 Report, Building 3192 was still contaminated and cleanup efforts had been unsuccessful. The building, insulation, air conditioner, roof, soil, vents, and similar were still contaminated as of 1993. The contamination spread to the surrounding areas and soils to include Building 3182. Moreover. Building 3180 showed persistent “low level contamination” from radiation in 1985. The contamination was adjacent to building 3180. Reference 9 indicated that a source well next to Building 3180 had a radioisotope buried in it.” The floor of building 3180 was removed in November of 1989 and monitored for contamination.” The report indicated that the floor had a high reading and the entire building, floor, and outside concrete pad area has been removed and disposed” as radioactive waste or in a landfill. The radioactive source believed to be Sr-90 (Strontium 90 has a half life of about 28 ˝ years) was removed from the well adjoining building 3180 and the well itself was monitored after the source was removed.” Sr-90 is associated with a variety of health conditions to include cancer, anemia, fatigue, decreased resistance to fight disease. All of these radiation sources cause increased risk for cancer. Additionally, gross beta gamma radiation, Bi-214, Th 234, and Ac 228 were found at very high and dangerous to human health levels at Ft. McClellan in 1996, several years after cleanup efforts had begun. |
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Posted: 8/24/2012 8:22:19 PM
Do you have any kind of map where these building are?
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