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Posted: 4/20/2012 10:28:38 PM
As others have said, talk to someone. I am a CISM Peer and have used others to talk to when going through tough times.
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Posted: 4/21/2012 2:58:26 AM
Working LE in a small dept is bad when this happens. If I'm on I know I'll spend at least a few hours with the body. I investigate, take my own photos, assist coroner in the morgue and take more photos there. I've been on lots of things nobody should see just like the rest of us in this job. From babies to elderly. Natural, murder and suicides. On calls like this I can tell from the smell what happened when I step in the door. The worst smell is a tie between an elderly man that fell into a garbage burn pit and was cooked in the coals or the guy who nobody missed for over 3 weeks in July. You will never forget using a snow shovel to put maggot soup into a bag. We borrowed air packs from the fire dept for this one. We have nobody to talk to here. 15 years ago I wish we would have. I might have a better outlook on things now.
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Posted: 4/21/2012 4:33:13 AM
carry a bottle of peppermint oil at all times
When you know youre going somewhere that has bad smells, take a mask and put some on it and wear it It helps |
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Posted: 4/21/2012 5:43:22 PM
I had the misfortune of making this scene. Doesn't wake me up in the middle of the night, but I'll damn sure never forget it. Makes you want to keep a pretty short leash on your daughters.
Three days in the Houston heat and humidity does nothing for the dignity of the dead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jennifer_Ertman_and_Elizabeth_Pe%C3%B1a |
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Posted: 4/22/2012 2:53:14 PM
Talk to somebody. I had to talk to someone after I got shot and it helped immensely. I still think about that night almost daily, but 99% of the time it's no different than thinking of the last time I went to the grocery store.
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Posted: 4/22/2012 5:57:16 PM
Originally Posted By RAYWOODROW3RD:
Gun shot to the chest New Years Eve/Day... No problem. One where we went into this house and the elderly wife was alive on the couch but had become PART of the couch was a tough one. She was still alive and covered in her feces and was literally part of the couch as the elderly husband left her there over months. She coded and I did compressions on her and could hear and feel her ribs breaking under my pushes. Pealing her apart from the couch was terrible and ripped her skin apart. That's the day I learned from the paramedics that Vic's under your nose was your friend. I can still see it all BUT it does not bother me unless I smell something similar THEN it all comes flooding back. RW3 Winter time here a few years ago, I got a CVA on elderly man. Got to the house, heat was cranking. Wife was grieving loudly. Man was late 80's-early 90's, in a hospital type bed, with a diaper on. He was very frail, think Nazi death camp prisoner photo frail. He was covered in vomit and feces. He had aspirated vomit. I assess, cleared airway to a degree, got oral airway. As I did compression the ribs broke loudly. My help was 20 minutes away. I had forgotten about the GSW I started this thread about until I looked at my subscription page. |
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Posted: 4/23/2012 10:51:54 AM
They ALL take away a little piece of your soul........
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Posted: 4/23/2012 11:29:02 AM
[Last Edit: 4/23/2012 11:34:17 AM by NCUrk]
Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
Do you have access to a critical incident stress debrief team? If so, they are very much worth it. I know the smell and the taste quite vividly. It does get, for lack of a more appropriate word, better, Amigo. Thanks for what you do. This. Been on the job a little over 18 years now, 7 to go till I can retire. I have had days were i have walked into the Chiefs office and said i am done.... Closed the door and vented/cried/screamed and just let it all out... Luckily for me, I have a Chief that has been there and understands. CISD is a great tool, use it. It isn't just the "Bad" calls that get to you, It's all the little ones too. Be safe Brother. |
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Posted: 4/23/2012 3:21:53 PM
Originally Posted By NorCal_LEO:
I guess I am lucky... I can work without any attachment for the most part (except kids.) . This.... |
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Posted: 4/23/2012 9:46:23 PM
I have been on a Volunteer Fire Department for 15 years now. I worked my first fire with a fatality on a Christmas morning years ago. Pulled two bodies out after the trailer had burned for one and a half hours and all that was left was the trunks. Went home and cooked steaks that day. But it was still a couple of weeks before I could close my eyes without seeing that. Walked into my neighbors house one day when he had not been out expecting a stroke or heart attack. He had gotten depressed and laid down in bed, put a pillow on his head and shot himself with a .38. That was another one that did not leave me for a few weeks. I have worked many wrecks with fatalities and most don't affect me but some like the teenagers will stick with me. God gave me the ability to deal with this and I have several friends and other volunteers to talk it out with which is the most effective way to deal with it. It has never really upset me but I do have some stick with me longer than others and as some have pointed out you never really forget any of it.
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Posted: 4/24/2012 5:08:24 PM
I retired from the FD after 28 years on the job. I worked driving an Ambulance on the side for a while and later on as a Cop for another city. Things you see will come back and visit you. I call it "dealing with my ghosts". Counseling will help. Some things you remember more than others. Some things you won't remember till some kind of "trigger" reminds you of it. Some things never leave you.
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Posted: 4/25/2012 4:29:26 PM
Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
Do you have access to a critical incident stress debrief team? If so, they are very much worth it. I know the smell and the taste quite vividly. It does get, for lack of a more appropriate word, better, Amigo. Thanks for what you do. This! My last 1st involved a child and tarping the scene. |
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Posted: 4/27/2012 9:46:32 PM
[Last Edit: 4/27/2012 9:49:59 PM by GAcop]
BTDT, worse for me was the woman that had been dead on her bathroom floor for several days. When the guys from the ME's office went to pick her up, she came apart.
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Posted: 4/27/2012 11:33:56 PM
Originally Posted By jgeiken:
Just wait till your first one with a shotgun... Head canoe. |
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Posted: 4/30/2012 9:04:21 AM
I work prehospital and in hospital. I think the worse I had to deal with was in hospital. A 18 yo female full code, morbidly obese, and 7 months pregnant. We coded her, and did an emergent c-section while coding and then coded the baby. Baby died in the ED, and the mom died upstairs from her head bleed. It tied up the entire department and affected everyone there, more so the pregnant staff and those with young kids.
My philosophy is that these experiences are rough for all involved. But at the same time it is a good feeling to be involved in peoples lives at their moments of greatest need regardless of the outcome. I accept and understand that we can not change the outcome, only attempt to stack the odds in their favor. No matter how bad or traumatic these events are the experience makes you a better provider. Deal with the trauma as it comes in the healthiest way you can, and then use it to your and your patients advantage in the future. |
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Posted: 4/30/2012 9:09:00 AM
Thank you for your service.
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Posted: 4/30/2012 4:21:28 PM
Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:
Originally Posted By jgeiken:
Just wait till your first one with a shotgun... Head canoe. Funny story, back years ago when I did EMS (ok, about 9-10 years now), we had a neighboring county LE agency pursuing a suspect into our county. Apparently the suspect opened fire on the deputy, covering him and his ride-along in glass from the windshield, but missing them altogether. The deputy returned fire, and literally canoed the guy's head through the front seat headrest. We didn't give a shit about the suspect, dead or alive (sounds harsh, but don't shoot at my brothers), but hearing the deputy was possibly injured, we launched a medical helicopter for him. Odd how two words bring back vivid memories after all these years of handling thousands of calls in between. ![]() |
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Posted: 5/1/2012 5:29:13 PM
Originally Posted By jjc155:
wait till you get the ones where the brain comes out nearly whole. I have had three in close to two decades where the brain came out of the skull in two nearly intack hemispheres. All three were shotgun in the mouth'/under the chin. Medical examiner advised that the way the blast goes the high overpressure causes the back/top of the skull to blow out not from the shot but from the pressure causing the brain to just kind of fall out, before the shot load goes through it. Makes clean up easier. Sorry for the morbidy, I have prob seen/investigated 50 self inflicted GSW''s to the head in the last 20 years. J- I had a scene exactly like that. The brain looked perfect! Except for the pieces dripping off the ceiling of course. Shotgun to the mouth. Those scenes have never bothered me. I actually feel pretty good knowing that whatever problems I may have at the moment, they are trivial compared to what someone else may be experiencing. It makes me appreciate what I have. The only one that was tough was a 5 year olds murder/suicide by his mother. And they were decomposing. |
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Posted: 5/2/2012 12:22:29 AM
Originally Posted By jgeiken:
Just wait till your first one with a shotgun... In a mostly empty barn. It really is suckalicious. Relax, see if you can talk to the cit/debrief guys or find some one to talk to about it that has BTDT. |
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Posted: 5/2/2012 12:25:07 AM
Thanks for your service....
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Posted: 5/2/2012 6:32:14 AM
Thank you to all of you.
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Posted: 5/2/2012 3:08:16 PM
This exact conversation came up at work a couple days ago with my boss. Im really sorry you had to deal with that. CISD even if its not for you, you need to be there for anyone else.
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Posted: 5/2/2012 3:16:19 PM
[Last Edit: 5/2/2012 3:19:50 PM by pwr2al4]
Originally Posted By IronMedic:
I still have "flashbacks" from my first burnt body(young new EMT)......makes eating barbecue hard sometimes. Like many have said....it will always be there. well I see a pretty clear pattern here. The smell is what got drilled into my head too and its what I couldn't shake. I ended up going to a shrink (Fuckit it made me happy) and I cant possibly be more thankful for that. the more you can unload now the better. we are only as sick as our secrets.. That idea for whatever reason is what helped me get right. |
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Posted: 5/4/2012 2:04:31 AM
Originally Posted By pwr2al4:
Originally Posted By IronMedic:
I still have "flashbacks" from my first burnt body(young new EMT)......makes eating barbecue hard sometimes. Like many have said....it will always be there. well I see a pretty clear pattern here. The smell is what got drilled into my head too and its what I couldn't shake. I ended up going to a shrink (Fuckit it made me happy) and I cant possibly be more thankful for that. the more you can unload now the better. we are only as sick as our secrets.. That idea for whatever reason is what helped me get right. Research has shown some pretty strong links between smell and memory, specifically smells we classify as unpleasant, which in EMS is most of them. ![]() |
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Posted: 5/4/2012 10:59:59 PM
Originally Posted By Dru:
Originally Posted By NorCal_LEO:
I guess I am lucky... I can work without any attachment for the most part (except kids.) . This.... +1 Get with your BC, DC or Chief, Im sure they can set up a debrief for you if needed. |
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