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 kill_machine85
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Posted: 6/22/2012 11:15:54 AM
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TwoDogKnight
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Posted: 6/22/2012 12:02:57 PM
hanks, I didn't know so I looked it up. immpressive statement from Wekipedia makes one think what would have been if the was no Russian Front
"Operation Barbarossa was the largest military operation in human history in both manpower and casualties.[30] Its failure was a turning point in the Third Reich's fortunes. Most importantly, Operation Barbarossa opened up the Eastern Front, to which more forces were committed than in any other theater of war in world history. Regions covered by the operation became the site of some of the largest battles, deadliest atrocities, highest casualties, and most horrific conditions for Soviets and Germans alike — all of which influenced the course of both World War II and 20th century history." |
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Shane333
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Posted: 6/22/2012 12:23:41 PM
Better that the Germans enter that meatgrinder with the Russians on the eastern front so that we didn't have to face quite so many when we landed in Normandy.
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Posted: 6/22/2012 12:47:07 PM
I've no love for commies or Comrade Stalin, but I'm glad they killed a lot of Nazis. The majority of German casualties, losses in equipment and material, was on the Eastern Front.
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vm1970
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:03:00 PM
The sheer size and scope of that invasion was amazing.
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Posted: 6/22/2012 10:05:46 PM
[Last Edit: 6/22/2012 10:06:32 PM by WarChildUSMC]
Originally Posted By 4v50:
I've no love for commies or Comrade Stalin, but I'm glad they killed a lot of Nazis. The majority of German casualties, losses in equipment and material, was on the Eastern Front. But which system posed the greater threat? We came to the brink of nuclear war because of the USSR's rise to power, not to mention the spread of Communism. And now, with the economic collapse of the west and the rise of china, who knows where the world will end up. |
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kill_machine85
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Posted: 6/22/2012 10:49:26 PM
Originally Posted By WarChildUSMC:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
I've no love for commies or Comrade Stalin, but I'm glad they killed a lot of Nazis. The majority of German casualties, losses in equipment and material, was on the Eastern Front. But which system posed the greater threat? We came to the brink of nuclear war because of the USSR's rise to power, not to mention the spread of Communism. And now, with the economic collapse of the west and the rise of china, who knows where the world will end up. You know i believe that communism posed a much larger threat. Both had there complete evils but i think Hitler was absolutely in love with the West, look at his rhetoric. And a unified Europe which he wanted, oh wait thats what they are still trying to do today. And fight communism as the great evil, oh thats what we did for 60 years. It is hard to believe what might have changed by a couple different things happening this can be said for many times in history but this time period is so tantilizing because theyre titanic moments of a time that isnt so far away and has directly influenced our lives and most of us have known people and relatives that were alive when this all went down. |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 9:28:30 AM
Originally Posted By kill_machine85:
Originally Posted By WarChildUSMC:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
I've no love for commies or Comrade Stalin, but I'm glad they killed a lot of Nazis. The majority of German casualties, losses in equipment and material, was on the Eastern Front. But which system posed the greater threat? We came to the brink of nuclear war because of the USSR's rise to power, not to mention the spread of Communism. And now, with the economic collapse of the west and the rise of china, who knows where the world will end up. You know i believe that communism posed a much larger threat. Both had there complete evils but i think Hitler was absolutely in love with the West, look at his rhetoric. And a unified Europe which he wanted, oh wait thats what they are still trying to do today. And fight communism as the great evil, oh thats what we did for 60 years. It is hard to believe what might have changed by a couple different things happening this can be said for many times in history but this time period is so tantilizing because theyre titanic moments of a time that isnt so far away and has directly influenced our lives and most of us have known people and relatives that were alive when this all went down. I agree. We're lucky we got as far as we did in the west before the war ended. Imagine if the war ended with the USSR controlling all of Germany or part of France. NATO would have surely been dislodged and all of Europe would have fallen to Communism. The alternative however, would be require keeping a peace with Germany after the war, which, given their technology would be risky as well. |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 9:31:51 AM
However, on the subject of Barbarossa, I recently read the book Barbarossa by Alan Clark. One third is on the events leading to the operation and the operation its self, then the rest covers the rest of the war in the east. The scale was vast. And the way they put it in the book, the fact that it was a clash, a struggle between two great world powers, and two ideologies, and struggle for existence and the world stage for years to come, explains how important that war was.
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