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Posted: 4/2/2012 10:15:07 PM THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Not sure if any of you saw the Mythbusters were they took Carlos Hitchcock shoot through the scope and disproved it on there end! Well I had a few problems with that Mythbusters as I'm sure a few Carlos Hitchcock fans did. So just to make this clear I want to bust the Mythbusters in the name of Gunny Carlos Hitchcock! One problem we saw was the scope they were shooting was a modern scope not the old 1960's scope that would have been built back when he made the shot. Now I'd like to find out what type of scope that VC would have been using. Also what caliber rifle did Carlos Hitchcock shoot? Some say 30-06 others say 308win. Thanks for the help

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USMC88-93 Member Team Member Joined: Jan 2005  CO, USA Posts: 7891 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/2/2012 10:19:35 PM [Last Edit: 4/2/2012 10:23:08 PM by USMC88-93] They already revisited the episode with a re-do some time ago. More period specific glass. (less lenses internally) and full metal jacket ammunition and they called it plausible. Edited to add I missed the opportunity to be the first to throw you under the bus for getting his name incorrect.
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Him Member Joined: Jul 2003  CT, USA Posts: 2107 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/2/2012 10:20:42 PM Hathcock.
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SSeric02 Member Team Member Joined: Oct 2004  USA Posts: 11056 Feedback: 100% (175) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/2/2012 11:24:39 PM Originally Posted By ruger556boy: Originally Posted By Him: Hathcock. Thank you.
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tayous1 Member Team Member Joined: Jun 2001  ND, USA Posts: 8578 Feedback: 100% (5) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/2/2012 11:25:36 PM Originally Posted By ruger556boy: Originally Posted By Him: Hathcock. Thank you. Sorry I looked it up spelling wise internet and by the way I spelled it there were a lot of returns! Again Sorry do not want to miss spell a Marine God's name!
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4v50 Member Team Member Joined: Nov 2000  CO, USA Posts: 26278 Feedback: 100% (5) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/3/2012 9:58:17 AM Just here to add that myth buster is entertainment, nothing else.
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KingIX Member Joined: Jan 2012  TX, USA Posts: 375 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/3/2012 10:18:23 AM Mythbusters mess up alot if you know what to look for. As far as caliber. 300 win mag in competition .308 in service is what i remeber reading in a biography
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lew Member Team Member Joined: Sep 2005  MI, USA Posts: 3912 Feedback: 100% (5) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/3/2012 11:16:43 AM Originally Posted By KingIX: Mythbusters mess up alot if you know what to look for. As far as caliber. 300 win mag in competition .308 in service is what i remeber reading in a biography I could have sworn it was a .30-06 Winchester Model 70, with the exception of the M2 BMG.
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R0N Member Team Member Joined: Aug 2004  USA Posts: 11316 Feedback: 100% (19) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/4/2012 4:39:22 AM Shooting through glass is a bitch, Mosha Dyan lost an eye when he was looking through a set of binos that took a round through the lens.
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Posted: 4/4/2012 5:12:17 AM Originally Posted By lew: Originally Posted By KingIX: Mythbusters mess up alot if you know what to look for. As far as caliber. 300 win mag in competition .308 in service is what i remeber reading in a biography I could have sworn it was a .30-06 Winchester Model 70, with the exception of the M2 BMG. IIRC from his biography they were using a mish mash of rifles in the beginning. His was a Winchester M70 in .30'06. Toward the end of his tour I believe the biography stated that they were starting to get in M24s.

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Posted: 4/4/2012 5:20:04 AM Originally Posted By lew: Originally Posted By KingIX: Mythbusters mess up alot if you know what to look for. As far as caliber. 300 win mag in competition .308 in service is what i remeber reading in a biography I could have sworn it was a .30-06 Winchester Model 70, with the exception of the M2 BMG. Pre-64 Model 70 in .30-06. Before the original M40s were standardized, these and some commercial Remington 700s purchased through MCCS IIRC were pressed into service. Near side glass will always deflect more than far side glass, but there are an incredible number of variables involved in predicting or imitating someting like that.

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Posted: 4/4/2012 5:22:46 AM Originally Posted By JoshAston: Originally Posted By lew: Originally Posted By KingIX: Mythbusters mess up alot if you know what to look for. As far as caliber. 300 win mag in competition .308 in service is what i remeber reading in a biography I could have sworn it was a .30-06 Winchester Model 70, with the exception of the M2 BMG. IIRC from his biography they were using a mish mash of rifles in the beginning. His was a Winchester M70 in .30'06. Toward the end of his tour I believe the biography stated that they were starting to get in M24s. The Marine Corps never used M24s. The M24 SWS was a late 80s development by the Army.

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Posted: 4/4/2012 5:26:59 AM Originally Posted By SSeric02: Originally Posted By JoshAston: Originally Posted By lew: Originally Posted By KingIX: Mythbusters mess up alot if you know what to look for. As far as caliber. 300 win mag in competition .308 in service is what i remeber reading in a biography I could have sworn it was a .30-06 Winchester Model 70, with the exception of the M2 BMG. IIRC from his biography they were using a mish mash of rifles in the beginning. His was a Winchester M70 in .30'06. Toward the end of his tour I believe the biography stated that they were starting to get in M24s. The Marine Corps never used M24s. The M24 SWS was a late 80s development by the Army. My bad, M40s.

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Posted: 4/4/2012 6:19:27 AM Originally Posted By SSeric02: Originally Posted By JoshAston: Originally Posted By lew: Originally Posted By KingIX: Mythbusters mess up alot if you know what to look for. As far as caliber. 300 win mag in competition .308 in service is what i remeber reading in a biography I could have sworn it was a .30-06 Winchester Model 70, with the exception of the M2 BMG. IIRC from his biography they were using a mish mash of rifles in the beginning. His was a Winchester M70 in .30'06. Toward the end of his tour I believe the biography stated that they were starting to get in M24s. The Marine Corps never used M24s. The M24 SWS was a late 80s development by the Army. Some of our base SRTs used them

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Posted: 4/4/2012 9:13:48 AM Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By SSeric02: Originally Posted By JoshAston: Originally Posted By lew: Originally Posted By KingIX: Mythbusters mess up alot if you know what to look for. As far as caliber. 300 win mag in competition .308 in service is what i remeber reading in a biography I could have sworn it was a .30-06 Winchester Model 70, with the exception of the M2 BMG. IIRC from his biography they were using a mish mash of rifles in the beginning. His was a Winchester M70 in .30'06. Toward the end of his tour I believe the biography stated that they were starting to get in M24s. The Marine Corps never used M24s. The M24 SWS was a late 80s development by the Army. Some of our base SRTs used them Open purchased and non standard though, jnot unlike some MSG Dets had Colt 9mm subguns and Mini-14s that State acquired.

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03Springfield Member Joined: Oct 2003  WA, USA Posts: 209 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/7/2012 4:59:19 PM Originally Posted By lew: Originally Posted By KingIX: Mythbusters mess up alot if you know what to look for. As far as caliber. 300 win mag in competition .308 in service is what i remeber reading in a biography I could have sworn it was a .30-06 Winchester Model 70, with the exception of the M2 BMG. I agree: 30-06 M 70 and M2.
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Posted: 4/13/2012 1:41:34 PM [Last Edit: 4/13/2012 1:41:52 PM by abnk] Originally Posted By tayous1: Not sure if any of you saw the Mythbusters were they took Carlos Hitchcock shoot through the scope and disproved it on there end! Well I had a few problems with that Mythbusters as I'm sure a few Carlos Hitchcock fans did. So just to make this clear I want to bust the Mythbusters in the name of Gunny Carlos Hitchcock! One problem we saw was the scope they were shooting was a modern scope not the old 1960's scope that would have been built back when he made the shot. Now I'd like to find out what type of scope that VC would have been using. Also what caliber rifle did Carlos Hitchcock shoot? Some say 30-06 others say 308win. Thanks for the help That shot has already been recreated at least once. The one I saw was on one of the History Channel's sniper shows.

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Posted: 7/11/2012 3:43:06 AM [Last Edit: 7/11/2012 4:34:36 AM by Moose] Originally Posted By USMC88-93: They already revisited the episode with a re-do some time ago. More period specific glass. (less lenses internally) and full metal jacket ammunition and they called it plausible. Here's Alan Normandy's (the firearms advisor) write-up of the redo. http://kalinkaoptics.com/kalinkaoptics-mybusters/ Note that he mentions they filmed the redo before the original segment aired. When the episodes first aired, we had a thread or two about it that Lt. Normandy participated in. IIRC, he emphasized that the segment wasn't originally about the Hathcock shot specifically, but more about the Hollywood version of the "shot through the scope", so he didn't worry about historical accuracy with the gear. It wasn't until after the episode was in post production that the producers decided to add in the info about Carlos Hathcock.

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Posted: 7/28/2012 8:53:09 PM Originally Posted By lew: Originally Posted By KingIX: Mythbusters mess up alot if you know what to look for. As far as caliber. 300 win mag in competition .308 in service is what i remeber reading in a biography I could have sworn it was a .30-06 Winchester Model 70, with the exception of the M2 BMG. first tour 3006g winchester model 70; second tour remington 700 308w

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