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6/21/2017 8:25:40 PM
Posted: 5/19/2001 8:19:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2001 8:17:27 AM EDT by Hitman]
I was checking out HK91.com and a few guys there were saying something about a new law in California to ban HK and FAL clones within a year. Here is the link: [url]http://www.hk91.com/boards/Forum2/HTML/001519.html[/url] Anybody know if this is true?????
Link Posted: 5/19/2001 10:33:17 AM EDT
No new law would be required for the CA AG to ban any kind of firearm he decides to ban. Under the provisions of the Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989 the law includes an expandable list of forbidden firearms. Since AR-15 and AK "Series" arms are now banned, all he would have to do would be to add HK91 and FAL "Series" to the list. I expect him to add those plus the Ruger Mini-14 and any other centerfire semiauto that takes detachable magazines.
Link Posted: 5/19/2001 6:18:13 PM EDT
I wouldnt doubt it.They can make an ineffective gun law but cant work out the eletricty problems.
Link Posted: 5/19/2001 8:12:18 PM EDT
Hitman, I know your are more concerned about HK91 FAL clones, but Kalifornia is ALWAYS discussing new gun laws. There are currently 12 new gun laws in various places in the legislative process. The only reason there aren't more is the legislature is caught up in a finger pointing game regarding the "power crises", i.e. not enough power plants in the state to supply enough power to meet demand. I have found the California Rifle & Pistol Association to be an excellent resource for both proposed legislation and existing litigation against the State. Here is a sample of the 12 new bills: AB22 Prohibit local governments from issuing business licenses to firearm dealers at a residential address. AB35 Require handgun buyers to first obtain a handgun owners/safety license. AB77 Make illegal any firearm that looks like a cell phone (even though this is already banned under an existing law banning firearms that appear to be something else). AB324 Increase fees for firearms dealers to $250. AB566 Establish an "assault weapons" buy-back program. AB1188 Extend a pilot program to reduce firearm related crime in Fresno and Los Angeles counties. AB1219 Make illegal for a firearms dealer to sell any handgun manufactured after 1/1/04 that does not have "smart gun" technology. [whatever the hell that is] SB9 Increase penalties for "criminal storage" of a handgun that results in a child obtaining a handgun and taking it to school. SB510 Require any semiautomatic firearm sold to anyone beginning 1/1/03 to have a loaded chamber indicator. SB626 Modify the existing law banning ammunition magizines that hold more than 10 rounds to be more inclusive. SB652 Increase penalties for illegal transfer of a handgun to a minor. SB 950 Increase information dissemination of persons owning "assault weapons" if they commit certain crimes, regardless if they used a firearm or not. A lot of this reads straight out of the HCI script. For all you lucky people outside of the PRK, DON'T think it can't happen to you. It's creeping in at the edges.
Link Posted: 5/19/2001 8:15:05 PM EDT
Hitman, Just out of general interest, why are you concerned about HK91 and FAL clones. Unless you did some significant modification to your firearms or you have stripped receivers, wouldn't you have had to register these under BS23?
Link Posted: 5/19/2001 8:18:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2001 9:06:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cedric: Hitman, Just out of general interest, why are you concerned about HK91 and FAL clones. Unless you did some significant modification to your firearms or you have stripped receivers, wouldn't you have had to register these under BS23?
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Not just me. Lots of folks that didn't want to register their rifles took off the AW features. But if they specifically name them in this proposed law like the AR and AKs then those that didn't want to register by legally removing the features will have no choice but register them now. The good thing to that is at least you can put those AW features back on after registering them from what I read on the HK91 board. HK91 and FAL recievers and complete guns (minus of course the pistol grip and other AW features) are still being sold in CA. I just checked DSA's web site. If this does go through then those that still want to get one better do so in a hurry. Damn poilitics...
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 6:43:07 AM EDT
...Lots of folks that didn't want to register their rifles took off the AW features. But if they specifically name them in this proposed law like the AR and AKs then those that didn't want to register by legally removing the features will have no choice but register them now. The good thing to that is at least you can put those AW features back on after registering them from what I read on the HK91 board. HK91 and FAL recievers and complete guns (minus of course the pistol grip and other AW features) are still being sold in CA. I just checked DSA's web site. If this does go through then those that still want to get one better do so in a hurry. Damn poilitics...
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Again, it's NOT a "proposed law". All it takes is the AG adding things to The List. I hear you on the pseudo-benefits of having something you already own declared an "AW". I have a pre-ban Ruger Mini-14. It was in a Butler Creek folding stock (with pistol grip) from the time I bought it (1988) until I put the standard stock back on last December to avoid registering it. If it gets declared an "AW" I'll probably put the folding stock back on and get the muzzle threaded so I can add a muzzle break. But that's kind of like admiring the view as your airplane is crashing in the desert.
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 10:38:10 AM EDT
I think its all gun laws being cussed in Kali
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 10:39:57 AM EDT
I understand selling HK91 clone receivers, but who is still selling complete HK91 clones minus the pistol grip. Isn't the grip frame one metal piece? Wouldn't you have to cut the grip support (the piece on which the plastic grip mounts) off of the frame and trigger guard? Thanks.
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 4:26:46 PM EDT
AB566 Establish an "assault weapons" buy-back program. g thats where that Registraion list comes in u get a nice (read nasty) letter in the mail Turn in you AW for 50 bucks or else
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 6:16:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cyrax777: AB566 Establish an "assault weapons" buy-back program. g thats where that Registraion list comes in u get a nice (read nasty) letter in the mail Turn in you AW for 50 bucks or else
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If they try to pull that one, most of the registered "AWs" will either get lost or moved out of the state. I know that all of mine will.
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