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Posted: 5/27/2008 3:51:25 PM
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Posted: 5/27/2008 6:49:46 PM
Any part for an M16 is not legal to put into an AR. The ATF rules that NO m16 parts may be used in an AR15. You are not even to own any M16 parts unless you are a Manufacturer like myself or have a registered rifle.
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Posted: 5/27/2008 7:41:07 PM
[Last Edit: 5/27/2008 7:41:51 PM by Steve-in-VA]
BCWMFG,
If you are going to post lies, I suggest you not post in this forum or this thread again. I suspect you are not a manufacturer nor that you own a "registered rifle" given your obvious lack of knowledge and inability to read this tacked thread in its entirety. |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 8:38:28 AM
If memory serves me correctly, the AR parts were first used in the M16. Didn't Armalite (Fairchild) design the AR series rifle and then the military adopted it and gave it the M16 designation? Someone please confirm or correct. Thanks. |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 3:49:20 PM
[Last Edit: 5/29/2008 4:25:46 PM by 1LSWON]
I'm just glad that some people have sense! Steve has been spot on, on every one of his posts. BCWMFG please read before you just push the keys, and spout off complete BS. There are tons of people new to not only AR-15.com, but guns in general, and they need good accurate advice because it is a big deal and should be treated as one. Example I'm a huge H&K guy, and own many H&Ks. Well the funny thing is up until a few years ago all H&K lowers/trigger packs were "MG style". What I mean is the S/F trigger pack was the same as the S/A/B trigger pack. So that made for different rules regarding H&Ks specifically. For example If someone were to own an old H&K 91 (G3), and it is S/F, and only functions in that manner. But on the lower it has S/F/A, only it is a pictogram. However even though it has a "MG LOWER/TRIGGER PACK" there is a pin welded between F/A that prevents auto from being selected, and that’s how it came from H&K, the only other difference is the front of SA receivers had to have the dog ears cut off to show the difference, but that was purely cosmetic. That gun is perfectly legal for anyone to own, and is not a BATF item. Now to wrap this up H&K was different because they made both their semi and auto lowers the same, since then that has changed, but there is specific information in the ATF legislation about old style H&K lowers and trigger packs. These days H&K refers to its FA lowers and trigger packs as FBI style, and there are differences between their FA and SA parts. IF ANYONE HAS ANY MORE? S REGUARDING THIS MATTER SPECIFICLLY REFER TO HKPRO.COM THAT WAS MY SOURCE< AND THEY HAVE ALL OF THE ATF REGS. POSTED. My long winded point was that all miss information does is hurt the gun owning population as a whole. Because knowing if that rifle was legal was of great importance to me, and I got yes, and no answers to my question. However I did the research, and found out that what I had was completely legal, but because of all of the BS responses it took me twice as long. Having an M16 BCG in an AR-15 with no other modifications in no way constitutes a MG! That is the truth in black and white! I know people who have such BCGs in their AR-15s, and there is absolutely no way in hell that the M16 BCG could make it fire like an MG! If you own a gun you should be well versed, and educated in the law not only to protect yourself by knowing your rights, but as a good citizen of the USA the freest country on earth! So, if you just have to have a M16 BCG in your AR-15 to make yourself feel cool or because you find it performs better by all means DO IT YOU CAN AND THATS THE LAW! Thomas |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 4:51:48 PM
In fact with a further search even some of the HK clones have the 3 positions S/F/A with a pin preventing Auto fire. All of this can be read on HKpro.com.
Plan and simple though people don't go making a MG, unless you happen to be legally able to do so or operate one ie a LEO/Fed etc. Their is very few practical situations where full auto would even gain an advantage over SA. In fact all of the LEOs I know weather they shoot ARs or MP5s etc have their guns configured for SA fire. A quote from one of them "FA screw that We CANNOT AFFORD TO SPRAY AND PRAY, AND EVERY SHOT MUST BE PLANNED AND AIMED, SO NO ONE IS HURT BY MISTAKE!" Know the law so you don't break the law, but don't make even more rules for yourself out of ignorance! |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 10:27:27 PM
[Last Edit: 5/29/2008 10:47:54 PM by 57Strat]
HUH??? I own a HK91, HK93, and HK94 that I bought new in the 70/80's, and they all have a semi-auto trigger pack and semi-auto housing. The front area of the trigger pack where the full-auto disconnecter goes is milled away and the housing has a metal block welded in the front of the housing so a full-auto trigger pack cannot be inserted into the housing. The trigger housing is attached to the receiver via a lip instead of a pinned hinge. Also, all of the trigger group housings are marked either 0 and 1, or S and F. Are you talking about the "G3 semi-auto" and the 1966 HK41 that just a few hundred were imported in the 60's? Link to details on G3 semi-auto and HK41 |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 1:33:06 AM
Yes I made the point about the ears being ground off. I have seen SAs with the plate and without, and both were legal. Most of them just have the FA setting ground off or filled in, but on the ones I have seen/owned most of the time it is still faintly visable. Your saying what I was trying to get out quickly at work, but my point was I have seen them both ways. Both ways were legal for the time period they were produced. The G3 that I have seen the most was a 1968. It only appeared to have the ears cut off. Point being the ones I have seen with the "MG" style trigger packs were not functioning MGs, and were never sold as such. Many of the LEO MP5s I have seen also had a mix of lower styles. The other point was with the HK stuff the lines blur, but know one that I know of has been busted for having a SA HK with a FA style lower/trigger pack. The comparison was to how a M16 BCG by itself soes not effect its SA status. Sorry if I was unclear I was just noting that the AR series are not the only weapons that suffer from murky wording. I hope this clears up your questions.
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Posted: 5/30/2008 1:40:02 AM
Are you talking about the "G3 semi-auto" and the 1966 HK41 that just a few hundred were imported in the 60's? Yes actually. Sorry about that. Alot more have made it over as well of that same ventage, but they were brought over as some other bs mainly from Africa. No large dealers, but they pop up at gun shows, and look like they have been ridden hard and put up wet lol. The MP5s I'm not real sure when they were produced, but most are owned by LEOs. They are SA, but have the burst/FA markings clearly visable, but a "dowel" pin is welded between the settings. |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 6:23:55 AM
The heavier carrier group would make chambering speed slower & thus give the firing pin less energy & thus slam fires less likely. Sorry if someone already said this. |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 6:25:24 AM
IF the ATF gets an anyomous tip from some asshole who doesn't like guns & doesn't like you, they'll know the M16 carrier. Don't know if that's illegal though. |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 6:39:29 AM
You are confusing slam fire & follow through. Slamfire is the inertia of the firing pin setting off the primer when the weapon snaps into battery. Follow through is when the hammer falls behind the carrier & hits the firing pin as the weapon goes into battery. Follow Trough only works w/ certain timing resulting from relative spring tensions & masses & only if the disconnector is broke/removed, & is very dangerous w/ high pressure round b/c of possibility of out of battery ignition. |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 6:54:43 AM
My bushmaster XM15 carbine came w/ a carrier that doesn't really shroud the firing pin so that hammer won't snag on the firing pin if it isn't retained by the disconnector. My SP1 was like that. The hammer would get snagged on the firing pin if it wasn't retained by the disconnector (or the trigger). I had an AR pistol. It was the same as the bushy.
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Posted: 6/10/2008 6:08:56 PM
I have not read it if they did, but that was what I was thinking. |
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Posted: 6/23/2008 10:01:26 AM
Usually, manufacturer will make a note if it's a NFA item. Noveske, LMT and CMMG websites does not mention it either.
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Posted: 6/27/2008 2:27:11 AM
BULLSHIT!!! |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 11:19:21 AM
[Last Edit: 6/27/2008 11:21:49 AM by _DR]
This silly thread still going on?
Tell you what. Anyone that has ANY M16 bolt carriers they want to get rid of because they are too scary, send em' to me, problem solved. Also I will take : M16 Bolts M16 Buffers M16 barrels M16 firing pins M16 Handgards M16 buttstocks M16 .... Oh hell, ANY M16 part except the Fire control group and lower receiver, I don't want those. Any other part, bring it on! |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 11:28:54 AM
[Last Edit: 6/27/2008 11:30:14 AM by _DR]
Yeah if he wasn't being sarcastic, he pretty much is spouting bs. Although it is true that M16 FCG parts are verboten. |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 3:07:51 PM
I'll take them!! I'll even pay the taxes and shipping.  |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 3:41:23 PM
[Last Edit: 6/27/2008 3:43:58 PM by _DR]
Class 3 dealer, eh? Wish I could afford to play with the cool toys again!  |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 1:08:45 PM
i bought a complete CMMG carbine and it came with an m16 bolt carrier!
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Posted: 7/6/2008 1:32:22 PM
ealry in this topic someone said that dpms sold 1000s of illegal rifles because they thought they were legal. that's scary. i bought my gun at a gunshow, but it was a cmmg table. not just some guy selling his own rifles. it came with the m16 bolt carrier. i guess i will have to research all the differences between m16 parts and ar15 parts to be safe. i'm so new to all of this, so much of it is still jibberish to me. i just wanted a cool gun to enjoy. didn't know i might have to worry about the mfg selling me something that was illegal. right now, as far as i now, it is only the bolt carrier that is m16. and my gun is definately NOT fully automatuc. it has no auto fire option on the safety/fire switch/selector... err... whatever it's called.
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Posted: 7/7/2008 7:26:38 PM
CMMG, Noveske, LMT, CMT and BCM sells M16 bolt carriers without the necessary paperworks. Are they wrong?
I bet, these companies have better lawyers than we do. And I bet, they have put the all the rulings under a microscope and KNOW that is it perfectly LEGAL and that's the LAW. |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 2:15:44 AM
Once again, the presence of M-16 parts DOES NOT MAKE AN M-16!!
BOlt carrier, trigger, Hammer, Disconnector, safety are all legal to have in your posession, AND IN YOUR RIFLE AS LONG AS IT FIRES ONLY ONE ROUND PER PULL OF THE TRIGGER. How many times does this need to be said? HOwever, a lack of M-16 parts in an AR-15 type firearm that fires more than one round per pull of the trigger is SILL A MACHINE GUN. |
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Posted: 7/28/2008 2:29:04 AM
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