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Originally Posted By WinWinChickenDinner:
Originally Posted By GrahamD:
Hmmm..... I've wondered about a 1911 style grip safety being an issue in case if a hand injury.... Glock 19+1. |
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DOA?
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My heart was racing reading that. Thank you very much for sharing it.
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Having a 1911 is like having testicles. You can argue you're a man without either, but theres no way to prove it.
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good for you - you probably saved lives that night
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"Gold is for industry, jewelrey and speculators." - Sherrick13
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Have you made any changes to what you carry?
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But friendship is precious, not only in the shade, but in the sunshine of life, and thanks to a benevolent arrangement the greater part of life is sunshine.
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We actually touched on such an encounter in a class two weeks ago (taught by 1911SFOREVCER) about the merits of appendix carry. My guess is that if the OP had been carrying that way the perp would have had many large sucking chest wounds.
I still carry IWB at the 4 o clock position, but it is something for myself and others to ponder. |
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Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito.
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Originally Posted By redleg71:
Good read. I'm glad you came out of it alive. I'll restrain from armchair QBing since you were the one who had to deal with it and not I. A good lesson for us all. |
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RIP Jesse Davila - You are the ultimate hero.
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Originally Posted By Swatter911: Good job. Thank you for sharing your story. |
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The Zombies are among us.
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Originally Posted By 0351-ROCKETS: This is why we carry. God bless the 2nd Amendment. Very well said. Thank you for not being a victim, for having the foresight to carry, and the guts to do what you did. I hope you recover quickly! |
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Let me help...
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Thanks for posting things seldom go exactly as planned, sounds like your training/practice paid off.
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You did a great job. I hope you heal completely and quickly.
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"One need only reflect that all one must do to be considered dangerous by the government is to go about repeating the very phrases used by our founding fathers in their struggle for independence." - Charles Beard, historian
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Thanks for sharing. That was very interesting. Please be careful in answering questions here. I'd hate to see you screw up any future testifying that you may need to do. Is there any way to move this to Team where it won't receive the same scrutiny from Bad Guy & Co? |
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and now for something completely different - The Larch...The Larch.
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Thanks for sharing. Get well soon!
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Excellent summation & after action report.
Thanks for sharing. After action analysis of actual critical incidents is one of the biggest benefits any of us can get from this website. Glad you came through okay and are still with us. |
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"Build coffins, that's all you'll need." - Charlton Heston, THE OMEGA MAN.
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Thank you for posting your recollections. From a human factors standpoint, it's very interesting.
It is difficult for a normal person to cross that kill-or-be-killed threshold. We can all learn from your experience. At the very least, it gives us food for thought. |
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It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so. Mark Twain |
Sorry this happened to you all. You did a great job under the circumstances.
Glad that you are recovering well and thank you for sharing your experience. |
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Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
I know you've Monday morning QB'd the incident to death but, is there any point where you believe that you could have done something different that would have resulted in a more favorable outcome or something that you've learned from this experience that would have lead you to doing something different? |
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Buddy, you soaked up 4 rounds and still managed to put rounds on targets.
That is somewhere in the long definition of Badass. Right below your picture. |
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Damn bro. Glad you're OK.
After reading your experience, especially the part with the safety and him hearing it, re-affirms my personal decision to carry a gun with a trigger safety ( Glock). Heal up fast. |
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Dayum!
I hope your healing up well! |
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"Moral of this lesson: Don't get in any gun fights with buffalo hunters. There ain't no such thing as cover." - Old_Painless on the 45-70.
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I hope I'm never in that situation, and if I am I hope I do as good as you did.
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Originally Posted By Blitz_308:
When he pulled me up, he was at my 5 O'clock position. I was still trying to keep him from seeing my gun until I was able to turn into him, so when I came up, I basically had my right hand (holding the pistol) tight to my stomach/chest with the muzzle pointed in the direction of my left shoulder. I don't know why I did that, except to conceal it and maybe so he couldn't take it away from me. I started turning to my right, into him, flipping the safety at some point along the way. He either saw the gun or heard the safety click as I had turned into him enough for him to be at my 3 O'clock and shoved his revolver inside my open jacket against my stomach and fired the first round. Luckily, his angle was off and it only grazed my stomach. Unluckily, I had my left hand tucked against my left side and the round passed through my palm and out the base of my thumb at my wrist. I continued turning toward him while lowering my pistol to return fire, which evidently put the right hand directly in the line of fire as he squeezed off another round. I can only assume that my hand blocked the shot from hitting my stomach or chest as we were practically face to face at that point. It took me just a second to recover and he started retreating toward the door, backing away from me and shooting. I got two shots off as he was backing away, both missing him. I had the little problem with the next round not going off, thinking I had a jam, I ducked behind the table to clear the gun and yelled for everyone to stay down. I looked down and saw how bad my hands were as I cleared the round out, and stood back up to continue fire. (Looking back on it, I think I realized that I wasn't getting a good grip due to the screwed up hand and neglected to engage the grip safety) He had his back to the door by now and we exchanged a couple more shots (which is when I scored my hit and near miss) until his revolver hit on spent rounds. I will NEVER forget that. There were three clicks. He realized he was out of ammo and was out the door before I could get another shot off. Even in the heat of the moment, I did not attempt to shoot him in the back or pursue him. You are yet another in a long line of examples of people who get hit in the hands/arms in a gunfight. Extremity wounds are far more common than most realize...and your experience demonstrates why I'm not a big fan of grip safeties, especially XD grip safeties that don't allow manipulation of the slide when the safety isn't depressed. I'm probably repeating myself from the other posts I've made, in saying this, but it was very surreal and real all rolled into one at the same time. In reality, the whole exchange from the first shot probably didn't last more than 30-40 seconds. I'm only saying that long because of the time I took clearing the chamber. It may have still been less than that. From start to finish, meaning when the guy showed up outside to the time when he left took almost exactly 7 minutes. The whole exchange probably took less than 10 seconds. Time slows down in a situation like that...especially if you are trying to get your gun up and running again. Also, folks, note that the gunfight was ongoing until the bad guy ran out of ammo. All bad guys do not piss themselves and run when they see a gun. Some of them are actually savvy enough to see if you have the stones to use it. There you have it. If you've got questions, I'll do my best to answer them. I didn't post this to be a look at me or I'm a bad ass or anything else. I just thought that if anyone could benefit in even the smallest way from my incident and possibly help, then I would like to turn a shitty encounter into a positive thing. God Bless you all and thank you so much for the support that you've shown me and my family since this first happened. I couldn't ask for a better group of people to call my extended family and friends. Justin Rock on, brother. You got the job done. |
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It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. - George Washington
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Wow.. thanks for sharing.....How are you doing today?
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Thanks for sharing the story.
Glad you are OK. |
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None at this time...
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Also, I'm not sure if it's been asked already, but have you taken any forms of training? Pistol classes, IDPA, etc?
Thanks and here to a speedy recovery. |
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Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Do you feel that since your hand was injured to the point that it hindered your ability to depress the beavertail safety that you are second guessing carrying a 1911 or a gun with a grip safety? I know you've Monday morning QB'd the incident to death but, is there any point where you believe that you could have done something different that would have resulted in a more favorable outcome or something that you've learned from this experience that would have lead you to doing something different? Not to speak for him, but I betcha if he had it to do over again he would have shot that guy in the face the minute he saw him approaching with the revolver. |
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It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. - George Washington
http://www.tacticalimpact.tv/ |
Originally Posted By 87GN:
Originally Posted By Blitz_308:
I didn't post this to be a look at me or I'm a bad ass or anything else. Intentions notwithstanding, you performed very admirably, and I'd consider you to be a certified badass fucking right OP, you're a badass. Anybody who ends up in a gunfight as the defender of self and others, takes 3 bullets in the exchange AND scores a hit is a badass. You're great grandchildren will tell the story. Glad you're OK and I pray your hands cause you no pain. Thanks for posting that. |
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Good job, and glad you're ok.
May be a stupid question, but do you actually recall hearing the opposing gun shots or feeling them when they happened? Sounds like you didn't initially feel them. You may not be able to answer this, but when the police got there, did you give a statement or say you wanted an attorney first? I understand your friends are attorneys and all, but are they in this line of defense? How did the discussions go and what happened immediately following the encounter? Was your firearm taken and how long until you got it back? As others have said, what happened to the scum and are you now doing anything differently? |
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Hey, why isn't Taco Bell's slogan "Run for the Border" anymore?
ZUMBO's comments were used by the gun grabbers at the MD AWB hearing. |
Is there anything else you are doing differently as a result of this experience?
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Originally Posted By SamColt: Originally Posted By 87GN: Originally Posted By Blitz_308: I didn't post this to be a look at me or I'm a bad ass or anything else. Intentions notwithstanding, you performed very admirably, and I'd consider you to be a certified badass fucking right OP, you're a badass. Anybody who ends up in a gunfight as the defender of self and others, takes 3 bullets in the exchange AND scores a hit is a badass. You're great grandchildren will tell the story. Glad you're OK and I pray your hands cause you no pain. Thanks for posting that. No joke....... |
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Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito.
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Good job of surviving.
Would you do anything differently looking from a time distance? |
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now i know this is a gun sight and ill get flamed for this but wouldnt you have bin better off giving him your wallet?(i know always assume they will kill you but alot more people get robed then killed) im glad your ok what kind of damage was done
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Originally Posted By Quikshot: now i know this is a gun sight and ill get flamed for this but wouldnt you have bin better off giving him your wallet?(i know always assume they will kill you but alot more people get robed then killed) im glad your ok what kind of damage was done And then what? Are you going to trust a thief to not kill you dead while he is robbing you at gun point? |
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Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito.
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Originally Posted By thelaw09:
My heart was racing reading that. Thank you very much for sharing it. no kidding. even knowing the story second hand, i was nervous on how it would turn out. |
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Prayers for a complete recovery.
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Thank you for sharing.
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Originally Posted By blackhawk35440:
I cant wait to get my CCW So don't. You don't need a permit to carry a concealed weapon, only to do so legally. The scumbag in the OP's story didn't need one to carry. |
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Grandpa's First, if we don't go kamikaze who will?
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Very compelling account of events.
Hope you are healing well. GM |
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Good job!
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Originally Posted By Quikshot:
now i know this is a gun sight and ill get flamed for this but wouldnt you have bin better off giving him your wallet?(i know always assume they will kill you but alot more people get robed then killed) im glad your ok what kind of damage was done Did you miss the part about him cooperating to the point where the bad guy figured out he had a gun? Do not assume the bad guy is just going to get the wallet and leave. When on the floor he made the smart move by getting his gun into a position where he could use it. When a dude moves you into a secluded location and has you on the floor it's not a "just give him the money!" situation anymore. |
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It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. - George Washington
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Was there any chance just to quickly pretend you were getting your wallet, while just drawing your pistol, pointing, and shooting?
Thinking being, that your 'acting' would beat his 'reacting?' (edited to clarify: What I mean, is rather than draw and try to hide the gun for later use... just draw and fire in one continuous action, hoping that he thinks you are getting a wallet out for a split second) |
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Crazy!!!! Just shows that theres never a perfect situation or scenario.
Glad youre ok. How significant were your injuries? What was his caliber? Good work protecting your friends and yourself. |
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Originally Posted By rangermonroe:
Buddy, you soaked up 4 rounds and still managed to put rounds on targets. That is somewhere in the long definition of Badass. Right below your picture. Fuckin' A! You're mighty right. |
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Originally Posted By patchouli: I think, by his report, he was afraid to do anything as the douchebag had his weapon pointed at a friend.Was there any chance just to quickly pretend you were getting your wallet, while just drawing your pistol, pointing, and shooting? Thinking being, that your 'acting' would beat his 'reacting?' (edited to clarify: What I mean, is rather than draw and try to hide the gun for later use... just draw and fire in one continuous action, hoping that he thinks you are getting a wallet out for a split second) |
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You know, I make a habit of carrying a backup gun in a pocket. On more than one occasion when some stranger approached me and my family my hand was in my pocket...and gripping the Smith 442 resting there.
Now with that statement I'm not saying anything more than this: Sometimes it's really nice to have the drop on somebody who thinks they have the drop on you. |
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It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. - George Washington
http://www.tacticalimpact.tv/ |
Thanks for posting. Hope you're healing up well.
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He who needs to stop buying toys and simplify!
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If I remeber correctly you also hit him in the hands? Would you agree this comes from our tendency to focus on the gun and that you may well have hit exactly what you were looking at?
I know you're getting bombarded with questions, but I have a legal question, which is a huge issue with defense shootings. Have you had any need to lawyer up or incurred any legal costs? Sounds like you know a lot of lawyers so you may be in better shape than others in that arena, but recent information from one of the major Missouri defense lawyers said expect $22,000+ in legal fees if things go to shit. Why do I feel we're in the struggle of: fight or lose your life, but take a chance of losing everything else? I would have done the same thing. Glad everything has worked out okay for you. I'm currently working on becoming a MO CCW instructor. Everyone has a right to defend themselves and there is no better time to start than today. The legal part is scary, but we have to fight to live. |
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Wow, man. Glad you're alive.
This is you, I presume? http://newstribune.com/articles/2009/10/16/news_local/077local11latenight09.txt#25ffd772107055c292743c138a5b223c From October 2009. I'd say you're a badass. Again, I'm glad you're alive. |
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