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Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:59:29 PM EDT
[#1]
Originally Posted By WinWinChickenDinner:
Originally Posted By GrahamD:
Hmmm..... I've wondered about a 1911 style grip safety being an issue in case if a hand injury....



Glock 19+1.


Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:59:45 PM EDT
[#2]
DOA?
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:59:52 PM EDT
[#3]
My heart was racing reading that.  Thank you very much for sharing it.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:00:08 PM EDT
[#4]
good for you - you probably saved lives that night
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:00:22 PM EDT
[#5]
Have you made any changes to what you carry?
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:00:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: VTHOKIESHOOTER] [#6]
We actually touched on such an encounter in a class two weeks ago (taught by 1911SFOREVCER) about the merits of appendix carry.  My guess is that if the OP had been carrying that way the perp would have had many large sucking chest wounds.





I still carry IWB at the 4 o clock position, but it is something for myself and others to ponder.

 
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:00:47 PM EDT
[#7]
Originally Posted By redleg71:
Good read.  I'm glad you came out of it alive.  I'll restrain from armchair QBing since you were the one who had to deal with it and not I.  A good lesson for us all.


Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:03:27 PM EDT
[#8]



Originally Posted By Swatter911:


Good job.  Thank you for sharing your story.






 
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:06:02 PM EDT
[#9]



Originally Posted By 0351-ROCKETS:


This is why we carry.  God bless the 2nd Amendment.


Very well said.



Thank you for not being a victim, for having the foresight to carry, and the guts to do what you did.






I hope you recover quickly!



 
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:06:13 PM EDT
[#10]
Thanks for posting things seldom go exactly as planned, sounds like your training/practice paid off.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:06:14 PM EDT
[#11]
You did a great job. I hope you heal completely and quickly.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:07:11 PM EDT
[#12]


Thanks for sharing.  That was very interesting.

Please be careful in answering questions here.  I'd hate to see you screw up any future testifying that you may need to do.

Is there any way to move this to Team where it won't receive the same scrutiny from Bad Guy & Co?

Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:07:32 PM EDT
[#13]
Thanks for sharing.  Get well soon!
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:07:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6gunfighter2] [#14]
Excellent summation & after action report.

Thanks for sharing.  After action analysis of actual critical incidents is one of the biggest benefits any of us can get from this website.

Glad you came through okay and are still with us.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:08:22 PM EDT
[#15]
Thank you for posting your recollections.  From a human factors standpoint, it's very interesting.  

It is difficult for a normal person to cross that kill-or-be-killed threshold.  

We can all learn from your experience.  At the very least, it gives us food for thought.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:08:40 PM EDT
[#16]
Sorry this happened to you all. You did a great job under the circumstances.

Glad that you are recovering well and thank you for sharing your experience.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:09:04 PM EDT
[#17]
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
I know you've Monday morning QB'd the incident to death but, is there any point where you believe that you could have done something different that would have resulted in a more favorable outcome or something that you've learned from this experience that would have lead you to doing something different?


Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:10:18 PM EDT
[#18]
Buddy, you soaked up 4 rounds and still managed to put rounds on targets.  



That is somewhere in the long definition of Badass.  Right below your picture.  
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:12:09 PM EDT
[#19]
Damn bro.  Glad you're OK.

After reading your experience, especially the part with the safety and him hearing it, re-affirms my personal decision to carry a gun with a trigger safety ( Glock).

Heal up fast.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:13:25 PM EDT
[#20]
Dayum!
I hope your healing up well!
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:13:39 PM EDT
[#21]
I hope I'm never in that situation, and if I am I hope I do as good as you did.

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Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:13:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: John_Wayne777] [#22]
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:14:13 PM EDT
[#23]
Wow.. thanks for sharing.....How are you doing today?
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:14:17 PM EDT
[#24]
Thanks for sharing the story.



Glad you are OK.




Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:15:05 PM EDT
[#25]
Also, I'm not sure if it's been asked already, but have you taken any forms of training?  Pistol classes, IDPA, etc?


Thanks and here to a speedy recovery.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:15:24 PM EDT
[#26]
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:18:14 PM EDT
[#27]
Originally Posted By 87GN:
Originally Posted By Blitz_308:
 I didn't post this to be a look at me or I'm a bad ass or anything else.


Intentions notwithstanding, you performed very admirably, and I'd consider you to be a certified badass


fucking right
OP, you're a badass. Anybody who ends up in a gunfight as the defender of self and others, takes 3 bullets in the exchange AND scores a hit is a badass. You're great grandchildren will tell the story. Glad you're OK and I pray your hands cause you no pain. Thanks for posting that.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:18:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rdblan2] [#28]
Good job, and glad you're ok.

May be a stupid question, but do you actually recall hearing the opposing gun shots or feeling them when they happened?  Sounds like you didn't initially feel them.

You may not be able to answer this, but when the police got there, did you give a statement or say you wanted an attorney first?  I understand your friends are attorneys and all, but are they in this line of defense?  How did the discussions go and what happened immediately following the encounter?

Was your firearm taken and how long until you got it back?

As others have said, what happened to the scum and are you now doing anything differently?
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:19:19 PM EDT
[#29]
Is there anything else you are doing differently as a result of this experience?
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:19:36 PM EDT
[#30]



Originally Posted By SamColt:



Originally Posted By 87GN:


Originally Posted By Blitz_308:

 I didn't post this to be a look at me or I'm a bad ass or anything else.




Intentions notwithstanding, you performed very admirably, and I'd consider you to be a certified badass




fucking right

OP, you're a badass. Anybody who ends up in a gunfight as the defender of self and others, takes 3 bullets in the exchange AND scores a hit is a badass. You're great grandchildren will tell the story. Glad you're OK and I pray your hands cause you no pain. Thanks for posting that.


No joke.......



 
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:20:14 PM EDT
[#31]
Good job of surviving.

Would you do anything differently looking from a time distance?
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:20:45 PM EDT
[#32]
now i know this is a gun sight and ill get flamed for this but wouldnt you have bin better off giving him your wallet?(i know always assume they will kill you but alot more people get robed then killed) im glad your ok what kind of damage  was done
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:21:45 PM EDT
[#33]



Originally Posted By Quikshot:


now i know this is a gun sight and ill get flamed for this but wouldnt you have bin better off giving him your wallet?(i know always assume they will kill you but alot more people get robed then killed) im glad your ok what kind of damage  was done


And then what?  Are you going to trust a thief to not kill you dead while he is robbing you at gun point?



 
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:21:52 PM EDT
[#34]
Originally Posted By thelaw09:
My heart was racing reading that.  Thank you very much for sharing it.


no kidding.  even knowing the story second hand, i was nervous on how it would turn out.


Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:22:26 PM EDT
[#35]
Prayers for a complete recovery.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:22:26 PM EDT
[#36]
PM inbound.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:23:21 PM EDT
[#37]
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:23:34 PM EDT
[#38]
Originally Posted By blackhawk35440:


I cant wait to get my CCW


So don't. You don't need a permit to carry a concealed weapon, only to do so legally. The scumbag in the OP's story didn't need one to carry.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:24:05 PM EDT
[#39]
Very compelling account of events.

Hope you are healing well.


GM
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:24:13 PM EDT
[#40]
Tag for when I'm at a computer

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Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:25:13 PM EDT
[#41]
Good job!
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:25:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: John_Wayne777] [#42]
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:29:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Usernames] [#43]
Was there any chance just to quickly pretend you were getting your wallet, while just drawing your pistol, pointing, and shooting?



Thinking being, that your 'acting' would beat his 'reacting?'






(edited to clarify: What I mean, is rather than draw and try to hide the gun for later use... just draw and fire in one continuous action, hoping that he thinks you are getting a wallet out for a split second)
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:29:29 PM EDT
[#44]
Crazy!!!!   Just shows that theres never a perfect situation or scenario.



Glad youre ok.  How significant were your injuries?  What was his caliber?



Good work protecting your friends and yourself.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:31:19 PM EDT
[#45]
Originally Posted By rangermonroe:
Buddy, you soaked up 4 rounds and still managed to put rounds on targets.  

That is somewhere in the long definition of Badass.  Right below your picture.  


Fuckin' A!  You're mighty right.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:31:51 PM EDT
[#46]



Originally Posted By patchouli:


Was there any chance just to quickly pretend you were getting your wallet, while just drawing your pistol, pointing, and shooting?



Thinking being, that your 'acting' would beat his 'reacting?'






(edited to clarify: What I mean, is rather than draw and try to hide the gun for later use... just draw and fire in one continuous action, hoping that he thinks you are getting a wallet out for a split second)
I think, by his report, he was afraid to do anything as the douchebag had his weapon pointed at a friend.





 
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:34:13 PM EDT
[#47]
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:34:40 PM EDT
[#48]
Thanks for posting. Hope you're healing up well.

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Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:34:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: all4freedom] [#49]
If I remeber correctly you also hit him in the hands? Would you agree this comes from our tendency to focus on the gun and that you may well have hit exactly what you were looking at?

I know you're getting bombarded with questions, but I have a legal question, which is a huge issue with defense shootings. Have you had any need to lawyer up or incurred any legal costs? Sounds like you know a lot of lawyers so you may be in better shape than others in that arena, but recent information from one of the major Missouri defense lawyers said expect $22,000+ in legal fees if things go to shit. Why do I feel we're in the struggle of: fight or lose your life, but take a chance of losing everything else?

I would have done the same thing. Glad everything has worked out okay for you.

I'm currently working on becoming a MO CCW instructor. Everyone has a right to defend themselves and there is no better time to start than today. The legal part is scary, but we have to fight to live.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 9:35:54 PM EDT
[#50]
Wow, man. Glad you're alive.



This is you, I presume?



http://newstribune.com/articles/2009/10/16/news_local/077local11latenight09.txt#25ffd772107055c292743c138a5b223c



From October 2009.



I'd say you're a badass.







Again, I'm glad you're alive.
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