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Posted: 11/25/2009 12:13:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/25/2009 12:14:02 PM EST by El-cid]
SWAT Team Blows Up Wrong Door

LAS VEGAS (CN) - North Las Vegas police blew up a family's door in a raid on the wrong house, then failed to fix the door as they promised, causing the home to be burglarized repeatedly, the family says in Federal Court. Jose Cruz says he, his wife and three young children - 8, 5 and 3 years old - were "scared to death" when a North Las Vegas SWAT team raided their home.

The botched raid came in the early morning hours of Feb. 4, 2008. The police apparently were searching for three armed-robbery suspects - all of them "black males."

Cruz says he had just got out of bed and was still in his underwear when cops ordered him to the floor at gunpoint. He says the officers grabbed him and dragged him 15 feet through the house, "in front of his wife and children, out the front door into the freezing cold."

The officers then herded his wife and the three "underdressed" children out into the cold.

After realizing they had the wrong house, Cruz says the officers promised that the City of North Las Vegas would pay for a new door and other damaged items - but it didn't happen.

"As a result of not having a door, the family home has been burglarized several times," according to the complaint.

Cruz says the bungled raid subjected his family to shame and humiliation, and his children "live in fear that at any moment they will be subjected to the same incident ... except the next time might be by those that will not hesitate to pull the trigger."

Cruz says his family's 4th, 5th and 15th Amendment rights were violated, and seeks at least $200,000 in damages.

The family is represented by Joseph Scalia.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/11/25/SWAT_Team_Blows_Up_Wrong_Door.htm

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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 12:15:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By El-cid:
SWAT Team Blows Up Wrong Door

LAS VEGAS (CN) - North Las Vegas police blew up a family's door in a raid on the wrong house, then failed to fix the door as they promised, causing the home to be burglarized repeatedly, the family says in Federal Court. Jose Cruz says he, his wife and three young children - 8, 5 and 3 years old - were "scared to death" when a North Las Vegas SWAT team raided their home.

The botched raid came in the early morning hours of Feb. 4, 2008. The police apparently were searching for three armed-robbery suspects - all of them "black males."

Cruz says he had just got out of bed and was still in his underwear when cops ordered him to the floor at gunpoint. He says the officers grabbed him and dragged him 15 feet through the house, "in front of his wife and children, out the front door into the freezing cold."

The officers then herded his wife and the three "underdressed" children out into the cold.

After realizing they had the wrong house, Cruz says the officers promised that the City of North Las Vegas would pay for a new door and other damaged items - but it didn't happen.

"As a result of not having a door, the family home has been burglarized several times," according to the complaint.

Cruz says the bungled raid subjected his family to shame and humiliation, and his children "live in fear that at any moment they will be subjected to the same incident ... except the next time might be by those that will not hesitate to pull the trigger."

Cruz says his family's 4th, 5th and 15th Amendment rights were violated, and seeks at least $200,000 in damages.

The family is represented by Joseph Scalia.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/11/25/SWAT_Team_Blows_Up_Wrong_Door.htm
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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 12:16:07 PM EST
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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 12:34:02 PM EST
These people should be thankful they live in a country where they have the freedom to experience a no-knock raid and humiliation from such a well trained SWAT team like this.

Is this the same Jose Cruz that used to be the first base coach for the Astros?
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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 12:41:58 PM EST
Nothing will change until the officers involved are held personally responsible.

Nothing like liability to get authorities to start thinking about what they are doing.

As of now, the popo could care less.

Taxpayers will pay any judgment.

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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 12:46:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By Beachjumper12:
Nothing will change until the officers involved are held personally responsible.

Nothing like liability to get authorities to start thinking about what they are doing.

As of now, the popo could care less.

Taxpayers will pay any judgment.


Agree - officers SHOULD be personally liable. Really think you are fighting the good fight, doing it responsibly, and doing it morally? Put your wallet where your mouth is.
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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 12:47:50 PM EST
Originally Posted By Beachjumper12:
Nothing will change until the officers involved are held personally responsible.

Nothing like liability to get authorities to start thinking about what they are doing.

As of now, the popo could care less.

Taxpayers will pay any judgment.


I understand that officers are protected from liability while in the lawful performance of their duties. How on Earth they are protected when they kick down the wrong door? I"m assuming they don't have a warrant for that residence.
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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 12:48:15 PM EST
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Nothing will change until the officers involved are held personally responsible.



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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 12:48:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Beachjumper12:
Nothing will change until the officers involved are held personally responsible.

Nothing like liability to get authorities to start thinking about what they are doing.

As of now, the popo could care less.

Taxpayers will pay any judgment.


Agree - officers SHOULD be personally liable. Really think you are fighting the good fight, doing it responsibly, and doing it morally? Put your wallet where your mouth is.


which officers? the SWAT guys who made the raid, or the intel guys who told them where to go?

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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 12:49:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By VelveteenMole:

Originally Posted By El-cid:
SWAT Team Blows Up Wrong Door

LAS VEGAS (CN) - North Las Vegas police blew up a family's door in a raid on the wrong house, then failed to fix the door as they promised, causing the home to be burglarized repeatedly, the family says in Federal Court. Jose Cruz says he, his wife and three young children - 8, 5 and 3 years old - were "scared to death" when a North Las Vegas SWAT team raided their home.

The botched raid came in the early morning hours of Feb. 4, 2008. The police apparently were searching for three armed-robbery suspects - all of them "black males."

Cruz says he had just got out of bed and was still in his underwear when cops ordered him to the floor at gunpoint. He says the officers grabbed him and dragged him 15 feet through the house, "in front of his wife and children, out the front door into the freezing cold."

The officers then herded his wife and the three "underdressed" children out into the cold.

After realizing they had the wrong house, Cruz says the officers promised that the City of North Las Vegas would pay for a new door and other damaged items - but it didn't happen.

"As a result of not having a door, the family home has been burglarized several times," according to the complaint.

Cruz says the bungled raid subjected his family to shame and humiliation, and his children "live in fear that at any moment they will be subjected to the same incident ... except the next time might be by those that will not hesitate to pull the trigger."

Cruz says his family's 4th, 5th and 15th Amendment rights were violated, and seeks at least $200,000 in damages.

The family is represented by Joseph Scalia.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/11/25/SWAT_Team_Blows_Up_Wrong_Door.htm
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I agree. I mean come on now this is Vegas. That is pretty fucked up. I could imagine how terrified my children would be if something like that happened, especially my 2.5 year old. That would really mess them up for a long time. I say they need to multiply that amount times five.

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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 12:50:56 PM EST
The officers should have to pay the settlement out of pocket and pay out of pocket for the door to be fixed....dock 3/4 of each officer's paycheck til it is done.

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I expect they want him to pay 5 to 10 times the damage they caused in attorney fees, then they will offer to pay for the door, nothing else.
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Everyone involved from the top to the bottom should each pay the equivalent amount of money for one door.
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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 12:54:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By sirensong:
Originally Posted By TheKill:
Originally Posted By Beachjumper12:
Nothing will change until the officers involved are held personally responsible.

Nothing like liability to get authorities to start thinking about what they are doing.

As of now, the popo could care less.

Taxpayers will pay any judgment.


Agree - officers SHOULD be personally liable. Really think you are fighting the good fight, doing it responsibly, and doing it morally? Put your wallet where your mouth is.


which officers? the SWAT guys who made the raid, or the intel guys who told them where to go?



Whoever fucked up picks up the tab and loses their immunity.

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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 1:05:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By Rogue-Sasquatch:
Originally Posted By sirensong:
Originally Posted By TheKill:
Originally Posted By Beachjumper12:
Nothing will change until the officers involved are held personally responsible.

Nothing like liability to get authorities to start thinking about what they are doing.

As of now, the popo could care less.

Taxpayers will pay any judgment.


Agree - officers SHOULD be personally liable. Really think you are fighting the good fight, doing it responsibly, and doing it morally? Put your wallet where your mouth is.


which officers? the SWAT guys who made the raid, or the intel guys who told them where to go?



Whoever fucked up picks up the tab and loses their immunity.


that's a fair position, as long as you're willing to deal with the consequent problems of underenforcement due to LE being more afraid of incurring liability than enforcing a law.

"we didn't want to incur the liability of profiling hasan, because even though we had a ton of indicators, they might possibly have been wrong".

don't get me wrong––the city damn well should pay, and there should be serious repercussions for those officers who screwed up. but being simplistic with a policy of direct personal liability would seem to deter effective law enforcement.

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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 1:19:25 PM EST
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that's a fair position, as long as you're willing to deal with the consequent problems of underenforcement due to LE being more afraid of incurring liability than enforcing a law.



I'm COMPLETELY ok with this.

100% OK.

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Since they didn't put up a fight when SWAT showed up the first time why should anyone pay them? What are they going to do if the PD doesn't reimburse them? Cry in the fetal position?


People take you more seriously and pay attention to your problems when you give them a violent alternative. Look at North Korea...

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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 1:22:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By sirensong:
Originally Posted By Rogue-Sasquatch:
Originally Posted By sirensong:
Originally Posted By TheKill:
Originally Posted By Beachjumper12:
Nothing will change until the officers involved are held personally responsible.

Nothing like liability to get authorities to start thinking about what they are doing.

As of now, the popo could care less.

Taxpayers will pay any judgment.


Agree - officers SHOULD be personally liable. Really think you are fighting the good fight, doing it responsibly, and doing it morally? Put your wallet where your mouth is.


which officers? the SWAT guys who made the raid, or the intel guys who told them where to go?



Whoever fucked up picks up the tab and loses their immunity.


that's a fair position, as long as you're willing to deal with the consequent problems of underenforcement due to LE being more afraid of incurring liability than enforcing a law.

"we didn't want to incur the liability of profiling hasan, because even though we had a ton of indicators, they might possibly have been wrong".

don't get me wrong––the city damn well should pay, and there should be serious repercussions for those officers who screwed up. but being simplistic with a policy of direct personal liability would seem to deter effective law enforcement.

zero tolerance = zero thought.



Also doesn't zero liability = zero thought?

If the dept is going to cover you, the taxpayers will cover your costs and the union will protect your job then why will you use common sense and follow rules
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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 1:38:19 PM EST
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So how much would it have cost the city to hang a new door? Hell if they had to build a new door case it would have been cheaper then 3 hours of their lawyers time.
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So they used explosives to make entry?

Would other departments have used explosives under the same circumstance?
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Somebody screwed this up and in not following up, the city is going to pick up a bigger tab than needed. Mistakes happen, as a homeowner, taxpayer, and citizen, I can accept this. The SWAT team did what they do, they break some shit looking for scumbags. Somebody with the means to fix this should have stepped up. Public relations or somebody should have made arrangements to make it right and done it all. Now, these folks who were too lazy to have the door fixed have a "legitimate" case. Damage control is about minimizing negativity, whether its image, reputation or expense.
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"The police apparently were searching for three armed-robbery suspects"

I've got to think that people with three arms would stand out from the crowd...

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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 2:15:53 PM EST
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Since they didn't put up a fight when SWAT showed up the first time why should anyone pay them? What are they going to do if the PD doesn't reimburse them? Cry in the fetal position?


People take you more seriously and pay attention to your problems when you give them a violent alternative. Look at North Korea...


NK has SWAT teams?

Anyway, a cheap way out of this is to have a team of carpenters assigned to follow the SWATs and fix stuff on the spot when they screw up.
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UMMMMM..... that is not the whole story. It doesn't make any sense.
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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 2:26:55 PM EST
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Mistakes happen, as a homeowner, taxpayer, and citizen, I can accept this.


I don't accept mistakes when lives are on the line.

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I'm a big police supporter like sponsored FOP golf tourney last few years now but would award Mr. Cruz 10x what he's asking for.
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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 2:34:03 PM EST
The court does not issue a search warrant for a residence on a hunch... This story has a lot of holes.

A SWAT team or any officer for that matter doesn't force entry without a warrant (fresh pursuit excluded).

This thread is going to fill with opinions based off a very small amount of information.
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Cops are using explosive charges to breach, WTF, is this Iraq or something??
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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 2:38:40 PM EST
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So they used explosives to make entry?

Would other departments have used explosives under the same circumstance?


Where in the hell did you come up with that. TO MUCH TV I think

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So they used explosives to make entry?

Would other departments have used explosives under the same circumstance?


Where in the hell did you come up with that. TO MUCH TV I think

Originally Posted By El-cid:
SWAT Team Blows Up Wrong Door

LAS VEGAS (CN) - North Las Vegas police blew up a family's door



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Mistakes happen, as a homeowner, taxpayer, and citizen, I can accept this.


I don't accept mistakes when lives are on the line.

Keep the mediocrity in your yard.


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that's a fair position, as long as you're willing to deal with the consequent problems of underenforcement due to LE being more afraid of incurring liability than enforcing a law.



I'm COMPLETELY ok with this.

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Cops are using explosive charges to breach, WTF, is this Iraq or something??


No NO NO There isn't one thing about EXPLOSIVES . Some couch potato with The Unit in his dreams came up with that BS

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Originally Posted By JSparks:
Originally Posted By Danj:
So they used explosives to make entry?

Would other departments have used explosives under the same circumstance?


Where in the hell did you come up with that. TO MUCH TV I think

Originally Posted By El-cid:
SWAT Team Blows Up Wrong Door

LAS VEGAS (CN) - North Las Vegas police blew up a family's door





Alright I didn't read in thoroughly Im a Dumbass for sure

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Originally Posted By Danj:

Originally Posted By JSparks:
Originally Posted By Danj:
So they used explosives to make entry?

Would other departments have used explosives under the same circumstance?


Where in the hell did you come up with that. TO MUCH TV I think

Originally Posted By El-cid:
SWAT Team Blows Up Wrong Door

LAS VEGAS (CN) - North Las Vegas police blew up a family's door





Alright I didn't read in thoroughly Im a Dumbass for sure


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Somebody screwed this up and in not following up, the city is going to pick up a bigger tab than needed. Mistakes happen, as a homeowner, taxpayer, and citizen, I can accept this. The SWAT team did what they do, they break some shit looking for scumbags. Somebody with the means to fix this should have stepped up. Public relations or somebody should have made arrangements to make it right and done it all. Now, these folks who were too lazy to have the door fixed have a "legitimate" case. Damage control is about minimizing negativity, whether its image, reputation or expense.
This is a big bobble and should cost someone their job.

Are you talking about the homeowner here?

They were promised the city would fix the door. So they are lazy because they waited for the city to make it right like they promised?

They didn't have a legitimate case the moment the SWAT team fucked up their door?

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If a group of armed home invaders busted down your door looking for a cache of drugs they believed to be in your home, then realized they had the wrong house and apologized for it, does that make it ok?

Let's assume they dragged you and your wife and children out of bed half clothed and made you sit outside while they figured out that the drugs they wanted to steal were a few houses down the street. When they realize their mistake, they apologize and nobody is really physically harmed except for a scratch here and there from being dragged out of bed.

Should they be forgiven, or go to jail for invading your home?

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Originally Posted By 161Infantry:
Cops are using explosive charges to breach, WTF, is this Iraq or something??


Been using them for years, cops taught the military.


If this was a real wrong house raid, then a carpenter should have been there the next morning and a PD car sitting in the front yard till it was repaired.

You break it, you own it, you fix it.
And your ok with this?
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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 2:54:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/25/2009 2:56:14 PM EST by Backstop]
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Mistakes happen, as a homeowner, taxpayer, and citizen, I can accept this.


I don't accept mistakes when lives are on the line.

Keep the mediocrity in your yard.


Really? What do you do for a living, and have you ever made a mistake?


Currently, an industrial electrician.

Currently, I'm the Foreman for the QA/QC/Commissioning Dept.

Currently, gathering my transcripts to apply to the Physicians Asst Program here in town.

Currently, retired from 22 years with the mil; 20 years active duty, then 2 years contractual.

Yes, I have made mistakes. But I catch them before any harm is done.

I have never made one single medication error, misdiagnosis, etc. in those 22 years.

If you think it's OK to make a mistake and blow and go on the wrong house, then I can't help you.

Your pseudo-condescending tone make me believe that's the case.

What do you do for a living, and how many mistakes are acceptable to you in your profession?
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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 2:55:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/25/2009 3:02:45 PM EST by Danj]

Originally Posted By 161Infantry:
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By 161Infantry:
Cops are using explosive charges to breach, WTF, is this Iraq or something??


Been using them for years, cops taught the military.


If this was a real wrong house raid, then a carpenter should have been there the next morning and a PD car sitting in the front yard till it was repaired.

You break it, you own it, you fix it.
And your ok with this?
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I personally have no problems with domestic LE agencies doing an explosives entry. As long as it is a quick, safe, and efficient entry.

I am pretty sure many large departments have belt fed machine guns, apc, armed helos already. I am sure federal agencies have had these assets for MANY years.

The issue here is how the police department handled the situation after the fucked up raid. I would be willing to bet if they handled it better like fixing the stuff they broke and putting a patrol car outside this lawsuit would never have happened and we would have never heard about it.

With the vast amount of forceable entries and search warrants conducted in a city they are bound to have a few fuck ups. It sucks but mistakes happen we are all human. Same reason why your Dr. has insurance.

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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 2:56:43 PM EST
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Need more facts...

We need to hear their side of the story..

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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 2:59:48 PM EST

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"The police apparently were searching for three armed-robbery suspects"

I've got to think that people with three arms would stand out from the crowd...


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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 3:04:54 PM EST
When this happens it should mean that at least 1 person has permanently lost a career in law enforcement.
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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 3:05:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By 161Infantry:
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By 161Infantry:
Cops are using explosive charges to breach, WTF, is this Iraq or something??


Been using them for years, cops taught the military.


If this was a real wrong house raid, then a carpenter should have been there the next morning and a PD car sitting in the front yard till it was repaired.

You break it, you own it, you fix it.
And your ok with this?
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Some people here think it's perfectly fine to have police equiped like the .mil. I got hammered a few weeks ago for asking why swat teams in Louisiana were wearing ACU's while shooting rodents from the bed of a pickup truck.

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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 3:08:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By STRIKE504:
Some people here think it's perfectly fine to have police equiped like the .mil.


I'm one of those.

I want LEOs to have the best tng and equipt available.

But my thoughts on responsibility run amuck of the legal system.
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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 3:12:01 PM EST
I really do not even believe they use Explosives on a residential home thats waaaaayyyyyyy over doing it

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Link Posted: 11/25/2009 3:13:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By HK_Goblin:
Since they didn't put up a fight when SWAT showed up the first time why should anyone pay them? What are they going to do if the PD doesn't reimburse them? Cry in the fetal position?


People take you more seriously and pay attention to your problems when you give them a violent alternative. Look at North Korea...


I have seen plenty of dumb posts in GD, but this one is leading the way over the past month or so...

Yeah, it's ALWAYS a better idea to shoot it out with a SWAT team while your family is present than to sue for damages while everyone is physically ok.

Brilliant idea, sport.



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