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Posted: 9/25/2009 8:14:27 AM EDT

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I'm guessing for a P0440 Incorrect purge flow. Will need a new purge control solenoid valve to fix. Or, if its a V6, no signal from the knock sensor because a mouse ate through the wire in the engine valley.

Posted: 9/25/2009 8:31:49 AM EDT

[#2]

Keep in mind, if you are taping over the light, that it will probably still fail an emissions test if that is required where you live. Part of the test is verifying the check engine light works, but does not stay on.

Posted: 9/25/2009 8:46:33 AM EDT

[#3]

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Go get the code read at a parts store, come back here and tell us what it is. We'll go from there. BTW I'm a tech at a Honda dealership, and we charge a lot just to check it because Honda charges us a couple of grand a month just to keep our "code machine thing" updated. Plus, most of us techs are flat rate, which means we get no hourly wage or salary what so ever. We only get paid by the job we do, so if I touch it, you're probably going to pay.

Don't feel bad reptar, All the dealers charge a steep diagnostic charge. I bought my first Snap on "brick" in 88 or 89 and I think dealers were charging 45-50 for a hook up not long after that.

I just up-dated my own personal scanner.....just over a grand. cars are much different than they used to be, a new car is a very sophisticated piece of equipment with as many as a dozen [or more] processors ..working on these things takes training and tools.....which translates into bucks.
that is why repairs cost so much sometimes...wanna whine about it?...take it to the .gov all the regulations the manufacturers must meet come from ther.

Shop owner here. I totally agree with you. I have been looking into the scan tool options for upgrade. SnapOn Modis 8 grand. That is a LOT of check engines to diag before that gets paid off.

We've got a Modis as well. It needs upgraded about every 6 months or so, costs around $500 or so every time. Then we've got our Honda and our Nissan, and they charge us monthly. Nissan recently sent us Consult-III, which is one of those toughbook laptops, that's our new scanner. It ran us 15K, no joke. Lots of money wrapped up in diagnotic equipment, but what are you gonna do?

Posted: 9/25/2009 8:50:31 AM EDT

[#4]

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Was this actually a serious thread?

Yes.

Posted: 9/25/2009 8:50:50 AM EDT

[#5]

Disconnect the battery for a little bit and then reconnect it. That should take care of that damn light for a little while.

Posted: 9/25/2009 8:52:17 AM EDT

[#6]

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Keep in mind, if you are taping over the light, that it will probably still fail an emissions test if that is required where you live. Part of the test is verifying the check engine light works, but does not stay on.

Oooh, thats a good point. I hate those damn emissions tests.

Posted: 9/25/2009 9:08:39 AM EDT

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I know that up until the late 90's, you could use a paperclip and check to see why the CIL turned on. I do not know if this will work on a later model honda. But worth checking out.

It required shunting a connection and turning the key on and counting how many times the CIL blinked.

Auto's haven't used OBD1 since 94-95.

Worked on my 97 civic.

Posted: 9/25/2009 9:36:18 AM EDT

[#8]

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I know that up until the late 90's, you could use a paperclip and check to see why the CIL turned on. I do not know if this will work on a later model honda. But worth checking out.

It required shunting a connection and turning the key on and counting how many times the CIL blinked.

Auto's haven't used OBD1 since 94-95.

Worked on my 97 civic.

Yes, this still works. Even on a brand new car, Honda calls it the SCS line. But you have to know how to read them, and then look them up and such. PIA really, only time I use it anymore is of course on the old cars, and on the 2 or 3 new ones that have come in struck by lightning. The scanners tend not to work properly on those vehicles, so I've had to flash the codes out to see what to replace.

Anyway, back on topic, get back to us ASAP as to what code it is. Unless it's something obvious like an evap leak from you leaving the gas cap loose, I'll put the code through my Honda database and we'll figure out what's going on with it.

Posted: 9/25/2009 9:47:38 AM EDT

[#9]

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Go get the code read at a parts store, come back here and tell us what it is. We'll go from there. BTW I'm a tech at a Honda dealership, and we charge a lot just to check it because Honda charges us a couple of grand a month just to keep our "code machine thing" updated. Plus, most of us techs are flat rate, which means we get no hourly wage or salary what so ever. We only get paid by the job we do, so if I touch it, you're probably going to pay.

Don't feel bad reptar, All the dealers charge a steep diagnostic charge. I bought my first Snap on "brick" in 88 or 89 and I think dealers were charging 45-50 for a hook up not long after that.

I just up-dated my own personal scanner.....just over a grand. cars are much different than they used to be, a new car is a very sophisticated piece of equipment with as many as a dozen [or more] processors ..working on these things takes training and tools.....which translates into bucks.
that is why repairs cost so much sometimes...wanna whine about it?...take it to the .gov all the regulations the manufacturers must meet come from ther.

Shop owner here. I totally agree with you. I have been looking into the scan tool options for upgrade. SnapOn Modis 8 grand. That is a LOT of check engines to diag before that gets paid off.

We've got a Modis as well. It needs upgraded about every 6 months or so, costs around $500 or so every time. Then we've got our Honda and our Nissan, and they charge us monthly. Nissan recently sent us Consult-III, which is one of those toughbook laptops, that's our new scanner. It ran us 15K, no joke. Lots of money wrapped up in diagnotic equipment, but what are you gonna do?

Fucking shit!!!!! 8K for a scan tool then updates every six months at 500 a pop? Fucking fuckity fuck! Well, I can promise that is not happening at this shop till next year.

Posted: 9/25/2009 9:57:48 AM EDT

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Advanced Auto will check it for free. Now calm down.

This.

Yep they saved me $90, that is what the Dodge dealership wanted to hook it up to the tester. Advanced did it for free.

On that note, you wouldn't happen to be missing your gas cap would you? That is why my light came on in my Jeep. $9 gas cap took care of it.

Posted: 9/25/2009 12:10:49 PM EDT

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Here's a list of OBD-II Codes (could be any of them setting off the Check Engine Light)––-including something as simple as not having the gas cap on tight enough, or as complicated as the engine is about to blow up...

P0010-P0099 - Fuel and Air Metering and Auxiliary Emission Controls

* P0010 "A" Camshaft Position Actuator Circuit (Bank 1)

* P0011 "A" Camshaft Position - Timing Over-Advanced or System Performance (Bank 1)

* P0012 "A" Camshaft Position - Timing Over-Retarded (Bank 1)

* P0013 "B" Camshaft Position - Actuator Circuit (Bank 1)

* P0014 "B" Camshaft Position - Timing Over-Advanced or System Performance (Bank 1) - See Trouble Code P0011

* P0015 "B" Camshaft Position -Timing Over-Retarded (Bank 1) - See Trouble Code P0012

* P0020 "A" Camshaft Position Actuator Circuit (Bank 2)

* P0021 "A" Camshaft Position - Timing Over-Advanced or System Performance (Bank 2)

* P0022 "A" Camshaft Position - Timing Over-Retarded (Bank 2)

* P0023 "B" Camshaft Position - Actuator Circuit (Bank 2) - See Trouble Code P0020

* P0024 "B" Camshaft Position - Timing Over-Advanced or System Performance (Bank 2) - See Trouble Code P0021

* P0025 "B" Camshaft Position - Timing Over-Retarded (Bank 2) - See Trouble Code P0022

* P0030 HO2S Heater Control Circuit (Bank 1 Sensor 1)

* P0031 HO2S Heater Control Circuit Low (Bank 1 Sensor 1)

* P0032 HO2S Heater Control Circuit High (Bank 1 Sensor 1)

* P0033 Turbo Charger Bypass Valve Control Circuit

* P0034 Turbo Charger Bypass Valve Control Circuit Low

* P0035 Turbo Charger Bypass Valve Control Circuit High

* P0036 HO2S Heater Control Circuit (Bank 1 Sensor 2)

* P0037 HO2S Heater Control Circuit Low (Bank 1 Sensor 2)

* P0038 HO2S Heater Control Circuit High (Bank 1 Sensor 2)

* P0040 Upstream Oxygen Sensors Swapped From Bank To Bank

* P0041 Downstream Oxygen Sensors Swapped From Bank To Bank

* P0042 HO2S Heater Control Circuit (Bank 1 Sensor 3)

* P0043 HO2S Heater Control Circuit Low (Bank 1 Sensor 3)

* P0044 HO2S Heater Control Circuit High (Bank 1 Sensor 3)

* P0050 HO2S Heater Control Circuit (Bank 2 Sensor 1)

* P0051 HO2S Heater Control Circuit Low (Bank 2 Sensor 1)

* P0052 HO2S Heater Control Circuit High (Bank 2 Sensor 1)

* P0053 HO2S Heater Resistance (Bank 1, Sensor 1)

* P0054 HO2S Heater Resistance (Bank 1, Sensor 2)

* P0055 HO2S Heater Resistance (Bank 1, Sensor 3)

* P0056 HO2S Heater Control Circuit (Bank 2 Sensor 2)

* P0057 HO2S Heater Control Circuit Low (Bank 2 Sensor 2)

* P0058 HO2S Heater Control Circuit High (Bank 2 Sensor 2)

* P0059 HO2S Heater Resistance (Bank 2, Sensor 1)

* P0060 HO2S Heater Resistance (Bank 2, Sensor 2)

* P0061 HO2S Heater Resistance (Bank 2, Sensor 3)

* P0062 HO2S Heater Control Circuit (Bank 2 Sensor 3)

* P0063 HO2S Heater Control Circuit Low (Bank 2 Sensor 3)

* P0064 HO2S Heater Control Circuit High (Bank 2 Sensor 3)

* P0065 Air Assisted Injector Control Range/Performance

* P0066 Air Assisted Injector Control Circuit or Circuit Low

* P0067 Air Assisted Injector Control Circuit High

* P0070 Ambient Air Temperature Sensor Circuit

* P0071 Ambient Air Temperature Sensor Range/Performance

* P0072 Ambient Air Temperature Sensor Circuit Low Input

* P0073 Ambient Air Temperature Sensor Circuit High Input

* P0074 Ambient Air Temperature Sensor Circuit Intermittent

* P0075 Intake Valve Control Solenoid Circuit (Bank 1)

* P0076 Intake Valve Control Solenoid Circuit Low (Bank 1)

* P0077 Intake Valve Control Solenoid Circuit High (Bank 1)

* P0078 Exhaust Valve Control Solenoid Circuit (Bank 1)

* P0079 Exhaust Valve Control Solenoid Circuit Low (Bank 1)

* P0080 Exhaust Valve Control Solenoid Circuit High (Bank 1)

* P0081 Intake valve Control Solenoid Circuit (Bank 2)

* P0082 Intake Valve Control Solenoid Circuit Low (Bank 2)

* P0083 Intake Valve Control Solenoid Circuit High (Bank 2)

* P0084 Exhaust Valve Control Solenoid Circuit (Bank 2)

* P0085 Exhaust Valve Control Solenoid Circuit Low (Bank 2)

* P0086 Exhaust Valve Control Solenoid Circuit High (Bank 2)

DTC Codes - P0100-P0199 - Fuel and Air Metering

* P0100 Mass or Volume Air Flow Circuit Malfunction

* P0101 Mass or Volume Air Flow Circuit Range/Performance Problem

* P0102 Mass or Volume Air Flow Circuit Low Input

* P0103 Mass or Volume Air Flow Circuit High Input

* P0104 Mass or Volume Air Flow Circuit Intermittent

* P0105 Manifold Absolute Pressure/Barometric Pressure Circuit Malfunction

* P0106 Manifold Absolute Pressure/Barometric Pressure Circuit Range/Performance Problem

* P0107 Manifold Absolute Pressure/Barometric Pressure Circuit Low Input

* P0108 Manifold Absolute Pressure/Barometric Pressure Circuit High Input

* P0109 Manifold Absolute Pressure/Barometric Pressure Circuit Intermittent

* P0109 Intake Air Temperature Circuit Malfunction

* P0111 Intake Air Temperature Circuit Range/Performance Problem

* P0112 Intake Air Temperature Circuit Low Input

* P0113 Intake Air Temperature Circuit High Input

* P0114 Intake Air Temperature Circuit Intermittent

* P0115 Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit Malfunction

* P0116 Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit Range/Performance Problem

* P0117 Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit Low Input

* P0118 Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit High Input

* P0119 Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit Intermittent

* P0120 Throttle Position Sensor/Switch A Circuit Malfunction

* P0121 Throttle Position Sensor/Switch A Circuit Range/Performance Problem

* P0122 Throttle Position Sensor/Switch A Circuit Low Input

* P0123 Throttle Position Sensor/Switch A Circuit High Input

* P0124 Throttle Position Sensor/Switch A Circuit Intermittent

* P0125 Insufficient Coolant Temperature for Closed Loop Fuel Control

* P0126 Insufficient Coolant Temperature for Stable Operation

* P0128 Coolant Thermostat (Coolant Temperature Below Thermostat Regulating Temperature)

* P0130 02 Sensor Circuit Malfunction (Bank I Sensor 1)

* P0131 02 Sensor Circuit Low Voltage (Bank I Sensor I)

* P0132 02 Sensor Circuit High Voltage (Bank I Sensor 1)

* P0133 02 Sensor Circuit Slow Response (Bank 1 Sensor 1)

* P0134 02 Sensor Circuit No Activity Detected (Bank I Sensor 1)

* P0135 02 Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank 1 Sensor 1)

* P0136 02 Sensor Circuit Malfunction (Bank I Sensor 2)

* P0137 02 Sensor Circuit Low Voltage (Bank I Sensor 2)

* P0138 02 Sensor Circuit High Voltage (Bank I Sensor 2)

* P0139 02 Sensor Circuit Slow Response (Bank 1 Sensor 2)

* P0140 02 Sensor Circuit No Activity Detected (Bank 1 Sensor 2)

* P0141 02 Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank 1 Sensor 2)

* P0142 02 Sensor Circuit Malfunction (Bank I Sensor 3)

* P0143 02 Sensor Circuit Low Voltage (Bank I Sensor 3)

* P0144 02 Sensor Circuit High Voltage (Bank I Sensor 3)

* P0145 02 Sensor Circuit Slow Response (Bank 1 Sensor 3)

* P0146 02 Sensor Circuit No Activity Detected (Bank I Sensor 3)

* P0147 02 Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank I Sensor 3)

* P0150 02 Sensor Circuit Malfunction (Bank 2 Sensor I)

* P0151 02 Sensor Circuit Low Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor I)

* P0152 02 Sensor Circuit High Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 1)

* P0153 02 Sensor Circuit Slow Response (Bank 2 Sensor 1)

* P0154 02 Sensor Circuit No Activity Detected (Bank 2 Sensor 1)

* P0155 02 Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank 2 Sensor 1)

* P0156 02 Sensor Circuit Malfunction (Bank 2 Sensor 2)

* P0157 02 Sensor Circuit Low Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 2)

* P0158 02 Sensor Circuit High Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 2)

* P0159 02 Sensor Circuit Slow Response (Bank 2 Sensor 2)

* P0160 02 Sensor Circuit No Activity Detected (Bank 2 Sensor 2)

* P0161 02 Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank 2 Sensor 2)

* P0162 02 Sensor Circuit Malfunction (Bank 2 Sensor 3)

* P0163 02 Sensor Circuit Low Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 3)

* P0164 02 Sensor Circuit High Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 3)

* P0165 02 Sensor Circuit Slow Response (Bank 2 Sensor 3)

* P0166 02 Sensor Circuit No Activity Detected (Bank 2 Sensor 3)

* P0167 02 Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank 2 Sensor 3)

* P0170 Fuel Trim Malfunction (Bank 1)

* P0171 System too Lean (Bank 1)

* P0172 System too Rich (Bank 1)

* P0173 Fuel Trim Malfunction (Bank 2)

* P0174 System too Lean (Bank 2)

* P0175 System too Rich (Bank 2)

* P0176 Fuel Composition Sensor Circuit Malfunction

* P0177 Fuel Composition Sensor Circuit Range/Performance

* P0178 Fuel Composition Sensor Circuit Low Input

* P0179 Fuel Composition Sensor Circuit High Input

* P0180 Fuel Temperature Sensor A Circuit Malfunction

* P0181 Fuel Temperature Sensor A Circuit Range/Performance

* P0182 Fuel Temperature Sensor A Circuit Low Input

* P0183 Fuel Temperature Sensor A Circuit High Input

* P0184 Fuel Temperature Sensor A Circuit Intermittent

* P0185 Fuel Temperature Sensor B Circuit Malfunction

* P0186 Fuel Temperature Sensor B Circuit Range/Performance

* P0187 Fuel Temperature Sensor B Circuit Low Input

* P0188 Fuel Temperature Sensor B Circuit High Input

* P0189 Fuel Temperature Sensor B Circuit Intermittent

* P0190 Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit Malfunction

* P0191 Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit Range/Performance

* P0192 Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit Low Input

* P0193 Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit High Input

* P0194 Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit Intermittent

* P0195 Engine Oil Temperature Sensor Malfunction

* P0196 Engine Oil Temperature Sensor Range/Performance

* P0197 Engine Oil Temperature Sensor Low

* P0198 Engine Oil Temperature Sensor High

* P0199 Engine Oil Temperature Sensor Intermittent

DTC Codes - P0200-P0299 - Fuel and Air Metering (Injector Circuit)

* P0200 Injector Circuit Malfunction

* P0201 Injector Circuit Malfunction - Cylinder 1

* P0202 Injector Circuit Malfunction - Cylinder 2

* P0203 Injector Circuit Malfunction - Cylinder 3

* P0204 Injector Circuit Malfunction - Cylinder 4

* P0205 Injector Circuit Malfunction - Cylinder 5

* P0206 Injector Circuit Malfunction - Cylinder 6

* P0207 Injector Circuit Malfunction - Cylinder 7

* P0208 Injector Circuit Malfunction - Cylinder 8

* P0209 Injector Circuit Malfunction - Cylinder 9

* P0210 Injector Circuit Malfunction - Cylinder 10

* P0211 Injector Circuit Malfunction - Cylinder 11

* P0212 Injector Circuit Malfunction - Cylinder 12

* P0213 Cold Start Injector 1 Malfunction

* P0214 Cold Start Injector 2 Malfunction

* P0215 Engine Shutoff Solenoid Malfunction

* P0216 Injection Timing Control Circuit Malfunction

* P0217 Engine Overtemp Condition

* P0218 Transmission Over Temperature Condition

* P0219 Engine Overspeed Condition

* P0220 Throttle/Petal Position Sensor/Switch B Circuit Malfunction

* P0221 Throttle/Petal Position Sensor/Switch B Circuit Range/Performance Problem

* P0222 Throttle/Petal Position Sensor/Switch B Circuit Low Input

* P0223 Throttle/Petal Position Sensor/Switch B Circuit High Input

* P0224 Throttle/Petal Position Sensor/Switch B Circuit Intermittent

* P0225 Throttle/Petal Position Sensor/Switch C Circuit Malfunction

* P0226 Throttle/Petal Position Sensor/Switch C Circuit Range/Performance Problem

* P0227 Throttle/Petal Position Sensor/Switch C Circuit Low Input

* P0228 Throttle/Petal Position Sensor/Switch C Circuit High Input

* P0229 Throttle/Petal Position Sensor/Switch C Circuit Intermittent

* P0230 Fuel Pump Primary Circuit Malfunction

* P0231 Fuel Pump Secondary Circuit Low

* P0232 Fuel Pump Secondary Circuit High

* P0233 Fuel Pump Secondary Circuit Intermittent

* P0234 Engine Overboost Condition

* P0235 Turbocharger Boost Sensor A Circuit Malfunction

* P0236 Turbocharger Boost Sensor A Circuit Range/Performance

* P0237 Turbocharger Boost Sensor A Circuit Low

* P0238 Turbocharger Boost Sensor A Circuit High

* P0239 Turbocharger Boost Sensor B Malfunction

* P0240 Turbocharger Boost Sensor B Circuit Range/Performance

* P0241 Turbocharger Boost Sensor B Circuit Low

* P0242 Turbocharger Boost Sensor B Circuit High

* P0243 Turbocharger Wastegate Solenoid A Malfunction

* P0244 Turbocharger Wastegate Solenoid A Range/Performance

* P0245 Turbocharger Wastegate Solenoid A Low

* P0246 Turbocharger Wastegate Solenoid A High

* P0247 Turbocharger Wastegate Solenoid B Malfunction

* P0248 Turbocharger Wastegate Solenoid B Range/Performance

* P0249 Turbocharger Wastegate Solenoid B Low

* P0250 Turbocharger Wastegate Solenoid B High

* P0251 Injection Pump Fuel Metering Control "A" Malfunction (Cam/Rotor/Injector)

* P0252 Injection Pump Fuel Metering Control "A" Range/Performance (Cam/Rotor/Injector)

* P0253 Injection Pump Fuel Metering Control "A" Low (Cam/Rotor/Injector)

* P0254 Injection Pump Fuel Metering Control "A" High (Cam/Rotor/Injector)

* P0255 Injection Pump Fuel Metering Control "A" Intermittent (Cam/Rotor/Injector)

* P0256 Injection Pump Fuel Metering Control "B" Malfunction (Cam/Rotor/Injector)

* P0257 Injection Pump Fuel Metering Control "B" Range/Performance Injector)

* P0258 Injection Pump Fuel Metering Control "B" Low (Cam/R

* P0259 Injection Pump Fuel Metering Control "B" High (Cam/R

* P0260 Injection Pump Fuel Metering Control "B" Intermittent Injector)

* P0261 Cylinder I Injector Circuit Low

* P0262 Cylinder I Injector Circuit High

* P0263 Cylinder I Contribution/Balance Fault

* P0264 Cylinder 2 Injector Circuit Low

* P0265 Cylinder 2 Injector Circuit High

* P0266 Cylinder 2 Contribution/Balance Fault

* P0267 Cylinder 3 Injector Circuit Low

* P0268 Cylinder 3 Injector Circuit High

* P0269 Cylinder 3 Contribution/Balance Fault

* P0270 Cylinder 4 Injector Circuit Low

* P0271 Cylinder 4 Injector Circuit High

* P0272 Cylinder 4 Contribution/Balance Fault

* P0273 Cylinder 5 Injector Circuit Low

* P0274 Cylinder 5 Injector Circuit High

* P0275 Cylinder S Contribution/Balance Fault

* P0276 Cylinder 6 Injector Circuit Low

* P0277 Cylinder 6 Injector Circuit High

* P0278 Cylinder 6 Contribution/Balance Fault

* P0279 Cylinder 7 Injector Circuit Low

* P0280 Cylinder 7 Injector Circuit High

* P0281 Cylinder 7 Contribution/Balance Fault

* P0282 Cylinder 8 Injector Circuit Low

* P0283 Cylinder 8 Injector Circuit High

* P0284 Cylinder 8 Contribution/Balance Fault

* P0285 Cylinder 9 Injector Circuit Low

* P0286 Cylinder 9 Injector Circuit High

* P0287 Cylinder 9 Contribution/Balance Fault

* P0288 Cylinder 10 Injector Circuit Low

* P0289 Cylinder 10 Injector Circuit High

* P0290 Cylinder 10 Contribution/Balance Fault

* P0291 Cylinder 11 Injector Circuit Low

* P0292 Cylinder 11 Injector Circuit High

* P0293 Cylinder 11 Contribution/Balance Fault

* P0294 Cylinder 12 Injector Circuit Low

* P0295 Cylinder 12 Injector Circuit High

* P0296 Cylinder 12 Contribution/Range Fault

DTC Codes - P0300-P0399 - Ignition System or Misfire

* P0300 Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected

* P0301 Cylinder 1 Misfire Detected

* P0302 Cylinder 2 Misfire Detected

* P0303 Cylinder 3 Misfire Detected

* P0304 Cylinder 4 Misfire Detected

* P0305 Cylinder 5 Misfire Detected

* P0306 Cylinder 6 Misfire Detected

* P0307 Cylinder 7 Misfire Detected

* P0308 Cylinder 8 Misfire Detected

* P0309 Cylinder 9 Misfire Detected

* P0310 Cylinder 10 Misfire Detected

* P0311 Cylinder 11 Misfire Detected

* P0312 Cylinder 12 Misfire Detected

* P0320 Ignition/Distributor Engine Speed Input Circuit Malfunction

* P0321 Ignition/Distributor Engine Speed Input Circuit Range/Performance

* P0322 Ignition/Distributor Engine Speed Input Circuit No Signal

* P0323 Ignition/Distributor Engine Speed Input Circuit Intermittent

* P0325 Knock Sensor 1 Circuit Malfunction (Bank I or Single Sensor)

* P0326 Knock Sensor 1 Circuit Range/Performance (Bank 1 or Single Sensor)

* P0327 Knock Sensor 1 Circuit Low Input (Bank I or Single Sensor)

* P0328 Knock Sensor 1 Circuit High Input (Bank I or Single Sensor)

* P0329 Knock Sensor 1 Circuit Intermittent (Bank 1 or Single Sensor)

* P0330 Knock Sensor 2 Circuit Malfunction (Bank 2)

* P0331 Knock Sensor 2 Circuit Range/Performance (Bank 2)

* P0332 Knock Sensor 2 Circuit Low Input (Bank 2)

* P0333 Knock Sensor 2 Circuit High Input (Bank 2)

* P0334 Knock Sensor 2 Circuit Intermittent (Bank 2)

* P0335 Crankshaft Position Sensor A Circuit Malfunction

* P0336 Crankshaft Position Sensor A Circuit Range/Performance

* P0337 Crankshaft Position Sensor A Circuit Low Input

* P0338 Crankshaft Position Sensor A Circuit High Input

* P0339 Crankshaft Position Sensor A Circuit Intermittent

* P0340 Camshaft Position Sensor Circuit Malfunction

* P0341 Camshaft Position Sensor Circuit Range/Performance

* P0342 Camshaft Position Sensor Circuit Low Input

* P0343 Camshaft Position Sensor Circuit High Input

* P0344 Camshaft Position Sensor Circuit Intermittent

* P0350 Ignition Coil Primary/Secondary Circuit Malfunction

* P0351 Ignition Coil A Primary/Secondary Circuit Malfunction

* P0352 Ignition Coil B Primary/Secondary Circuit Malfunction

* P0353 Ignition Coil C Primary/Secondary Circuit Malfunction

* P0354 Ignition Coil D Primary/Secondary Circuit Malfunction

* P0355 Ignition Coil E Primary/Secondary Circuit Malfunction

* P0356 Ignition Coil F Primary/Secondary Circuit Malfunction

* P0357 Ignition Coil G Primary/Secondary Circuit Malfunction

* P0358 Ignition Coil H Primary/Secondary Circuit Malfunction

* P0359 Ignition Coil I Primary/Secondary Circuit Malfunction

* P0360 Ignition Coil J Primary/Secondary Circuit Malfunction

* P0361 Ignition Coil K Primary/Secondary Circuit Malfunction

* P0362 Ignition Coil L Primary/Secondary Circuit Malfunction

* P0370 Timing Reference High Resolution Signal A Malfunction

* P0371 Timing Reference High Resolution Signal A Too Many Pulses

* P0372 Timing Reference High Resolution Signal A Too Few Pulses

* P0373 Timing Reference High Resolution Signal A Intermittent/Erratic Pulses

* P0374 Timing Reference High Resolution Signal A No Pulses

* P0375 Timing Reference High Resolution Signal B Malfunction

* P0376 Timing Reference High Resolution Signal B Too Many Pulses

* P0377 Timing Reference High Resolution Signal B Too Few Pulses

* P0378 Timing Reference High Resolution Signal B Intermittent/Erratic Pulses

* P0379 Timing Reference High Resolution Signal B No Pulses

* P0380 Glow Plug/Heater Circuit "A" Malfunction

* P0381 Glow Plug/Heater Indicator Circuit Malfunction

* P0382 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Flow Malfunction

* P0385 Crankshaft Position Sensor B Circuit Malfunction

* P0386 Crankshaft Position Sensor B Circuit Range/Performance

* P0387 Crankshaft Position Sensor B Circuit Low Input

* P0388 Crankshaft Position Sensor B Circuit High Input

* P0389 Crankshaft Position Sensor B Circuit Intermittent

DTC Codes - P0400-P0499 - Auxiliary Emissions Controls

* P0400 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Flow Malfunction

* P0401 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Flow Insufficient Detected

* P0402 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Flow Excessive Detected

* P0403 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Circuit Malfunction

* P0404 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Circuit Range/Performance

* P0405 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Sensor A Circuit Low

* P0406 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Sensor A Circuit High

* P0407 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Sensor B Circuit Low

* P0408 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Sensor B Circuit High

* P0410 Secondary Air Injection System Malfunction

* P0411 Secondary Air Injection System Incorrect Flow Detected

* P0412 Secondary Air Injection System Switching Valve A Circuit Malfunction

* P0413 Secondary Air Injection System Switching Valve A Circuit Open

* P0414 Secondary Air Injection System Switching Valve A Circuit Shorted

* P0415 Secondary Air Injection System Switching Valve B Circuit Malfunction

* P0416 Secondary Air Injection System Switching Valve B Circuit Open

* P0417 Secondary Air Injection System Switching Valve B Circuit Shorted

* P0418 Secondary Air Injection System Relay "A" Circuit Malfunction

* P0419 Secondary Air Injection System Relay "B" Circuit Malfunction

* P0420 Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1)

* P0421 Warm Up Catalyst Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1)

* P0422 Main Catalyst Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1)

* P0423 Heated Catalyst Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1)

* P0424 Heated Catalyst Temperature Below Threshold (Bank 1)

* P0430 Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 2)

* P0431 Warm Up Catalyst Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 2)

* P0432 Main Catalyst Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 2)

* P0433 Heated Catalyst Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 2)

* P0434 Heated Catalyst Temperature Below Threshold (Bank 2)

* P0440 Evaporative Emission Control System Malfunction

* P0441 Evaporative Emission Control System Incorrect Purge Flow

* P0442 Evaporative Emission Control System Leak Detected (small leak)

* P0443 Evaporative Emission Control System Purge Control Valve Circuit

* P0444 Evaporative Emission Control System Purge Control Valve Circuit Open

* P0445 Evaporative Emission Control System Purge Control Valve Circuit Shorted

* P0446 Evaporative Emission Control System Vent Control Circuit Malfunction

* P0447 Evaporative Emission Control System Vent Control Circuit Open

* P0448 Evaporative Emission Control System Vent Control Circuit Shorted

* P0449 Evaporative Emission Control System Vent Valve/Solenoid Circuit Malfunction

* P0450 Evaporative Emission Control System Pressure Sensor Malfunction

* P0451 Evaporative Emission Control System Pressure Sensor Range/Performance

* P0452 Evaporative Emission Control System Pressure Sensor Low Input

* P0453 Evaporative Emission Control System Pressure Sensor High Input

* P0454 Evaporative Emission Control System Pressure Sensor Intermittent

* P0455 Evaporative Emission Control System Leak Detected (gross leak)

* P0456 Evaporative Emissions System - Small leak detected

* P0457

* P0458

* P0459

* P0460 Fuel Level Sensor Circuit Malfunction

* P0461 Fuel Level Sensor Circuit Range/Performance

* P0462 Fuel Level Sensor Circuit Low Input

* P0463 Fuel Level Sensor Circuit High Input

* P0464 Fuel Level Sensor Circuit Intermittent

* P0465 Purge Flow Sensor Circuit Malfunction

* P0466 Purge Flow Sensor Circuit Range/Performance

* P0467 Purge Flow Sensor Circuit Low Input

* P0468 Purge Flow Sensor Circuit High Input

* P0469 Purge Flow Sensor Circuit Intermittent

* P0470 Exhaust Pressure Sensor Malfunction

* P0471 Exhaust Pressure Sensor Range/Performance

* P0472 Exhaust Pressure Sensor Low

* P0473 Exhaust Pressure Sensor High

* P0474 Exhaust Pressure Sensor Intermittent

* P0475 Exhaust Pressure Control Valve Malfunction

* P0476 Exhaust Pressure Control Valve Range/Performance

* P0477 Exhaust Pressure Control Valve Low

* P0478 Exhaust Pressure Control Valve High

* P0479 Exhaust Pressure Control Valve Intermittent

* P0480 Cooling Fan I Control Circuit Malfunction

* P0481 Cooling Fan 2 Control Circuit Malfunction

* P0482 Cooling Fan 3 Control Circuit Malfunction

* P0483 Cooling Fan Rationality Check Malfunction

* P0484 Cooling Fan Circuit Over Current

* P0485 Cooling Fan Power/Ground Circuit Malfunction

DTC Codes - P0500-P0599 - Vehicle Speed Controls and Idle Control System

* P0500 Vehicle Speed Sensor Malfunction

* P0501 Vehicle Speed Sensor Range/Performance

* P0502 Vehicle Speed Sensor Low Input

* P0503 Vehicle Speed Sensor Intermittent/Erratic/High

* P0505 Idle Control System Malfunction

* P0506 Idle Control System RPM Lower Than Expected

* P0507 Idle Control System RPM Higher Than Expected

* P0510 Closed Throttle Position Switch Malfunction

* P0520 Engine Oil Pressure Sensor/Switch Circuit Malfunction

* P0521 Engine Oil Pressure Sensor/Switch Circuit Range/Performance

* P0522 Engine Oil Pressure Sensor/Switch Circuit Low Voltage

* P0523 Engine Oil Pressure Sensor/Switch Circuit High Voltage

* P0530 A/C Refrigerant Pressure Sensor Circuit Malfunction

* P0531 A/C Refrigerant Pressure Sensor Circuit Range/Performance

* P0532 A/C Refrigerant Pressure Sensor Circuit Low Input

* P0533 A/C Refrigerant Pressure Sensor Circuit High Input

* P0534 Air Conditioner Refrigerant Charge Loss

* P0550 Power Steering Pressure Sensor Circuit Malfunction

* P0551 Power Steering Pressure Sensor Circuit Range/Performance

* P0552 Power Steering Pressure Sensor Circuit Low Input

* P0553 Power Steering Pressure Sensor Circuit High Input

* P0554 Power Steering Pressure Sensor Circuit Intermittent

* P0560 System Voltage Malfunction

* P0561 System Voltage Unstable

* P0562 System Voltage Low

* P0563 System Voltage High

* P0565 Cruise Control On Signal Malfunction

* P0566 Cruise Control Off Signal Malfunction

* P0567 Cruise Control Resume Signal Malfunction

* P0568 Cruise Control Set Signal Malfunction

* P0569 Cruise Control Coast Signal Malfunction

* P0570 Cruise Control Accel Signal Malfunction

* P0571 Cruise Control/Brake Switch A Circuit Malfunction

* P0572 Cruise Control/Brake Switch A Circuit Low

* P0573 Cruise Control/Brake Switch A Circuit High

* P0574 Cruise Control Related Malfunction

* P0575 Cruise Control Related Malfunction

* P0576 Cruise Control Related Malfunction

* P0576 Cruise Control Related Malfunction

* P0578 Cruise Control Related Malfunction

* P0579 Cruise Control Related Malfunction

* P0580 Cruise Control Related Malfunction

DTC Codes - P0600-P0699 - Computer Output Circuit

* P0600 Serial Communication Link Malfunction

* P0601 Internal Control Module Memory Check Sum Error

* P0602 Control Module Programming Error

* P0603 Internal Control Module Keep Alive Memory (KAM) Error

* P0604 Internal Control Module Random Access Memory (RAM) Error

* P0605 Internal Control Module Read Only Memory (ROM) Error

* P0606 PCM Processor Fault

* P0608 Control Module VSS Output "A" Malfunction

* P0609 Control Module VSS Output "B" Malfunction

* P0620 Generator Control Circuit Malfunction

* P0621 Generator Lamp "L" Control Circuit Malfunction

* P0622 Generator Field "F" Control Circuit Malfunction

* P0650 Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) Control Circuit Malfunction

* P0654 Engine RPM Output Circuit Malfunction

* P0655 Engine Hot Lamp Output Control Circuit Malfunction

* P0656 Fuel Level Output Circuit Malfunction

DTC Codes - P0700-P0899 - Transmission

* P0700 Transmission Control System Malfunction

* P0701 Transmission Control System Range/Performance

* P0702 Transmission Control System Electrical

* P0703 Torque Converter/Brake Switch B Circuit Malfunction

* P0704 Clutch Switch Input Circuit Malfunction

* P0705 Transmission Range Sensor Circuit malfunction (PRNDL Input)

* P0706 Transmission Range Sensor Circuit Range/Performance

* P0707 Transmission Range Sensor Circuit Low Input

* P0708 Transmission Range Sensor Circuit High Input

* P0709 Transmission Range Sensor Circuit Intermittent

* P0710 Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor Circuit Malfunction

* P0711 Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor Circuit Range/Performance

* P0712 Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor Circuit Low Input

* P0713 Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor Circuit High Input

* P0714 Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor Circuit Intermittent

* P0715 Input/Turbine Speed Sensor Circuit Malfunction

* P0716 Input/Turbine Speed Sensor Circuit Range/Performance

* P0717 Input/Turbine Speed Sensor Circuit No Signal

* P0718 Input/Turbine Speed Sensor Circuit Intermittent

* P0719 Torque Converter/Brake Switch B Circuit Low

* P0720 Output Speed Sensor Circuit Malfunction

* P0721 Output Speed Sensor Range/Performance

* P0722 Output Speed Sensor No Signal

* P0723 Output Speed Sensor Intermittent

* P0724 Torque Converter/Brake Switch B Circuit High

* P0725 Engine Speed input Circuit Malfunction

* P0726 Engine Speed Input Circuit Range/Performance

* P0727 Engine Speed Input Circuit No Signal

* P0728 Engine Speed Input Circuit Intermittent

* P0730 Incorrect Gear Ratio

* P0731 Gear I Incorrect ratio

* P0732 Gear 2 Incorrect ratio

* P0733 Gear 3 Incorrect ratio

* P0734 Gear 4 Incorrect ratio

* P0735 Gear 5 Incorrect ratio

* P0736 Reverse incorrect gear ratio

* P0740 Torque Converter Clutch Circuit Malfunction

* P0741 Torque Converter Clutch Circuit Performance or Stuck Off

* P0742 Torque Converter Clutch Circuit Stock On

* P0743 Torque Converter Clutch Circuit Electrical

* P0744 Torque Converter Clutch Circuit Intermittent

* P0745 Pressure Control Solenoid Malfunction

* P0746 Pressure Control Solenoid Performance or Stuck Off

* P0747 Pressure Control Solenoid Stuck On

* P0748 Pressure Control Solenoid Electrical

* P0749 Pressure Control Solenoid Intermittent

* P0750 Shift Solenoid A Malfunction

* P0751 Shift Solenoid A Performance or Stuck Off

* P0752 Shift Solenoid A Stuck On

* P0753 Shift Solenoid A Electrical

* P0754 Shift Solenoid A Intermittent

* P0755 Shift Solenoid B Malfunction

* P0756 Shift Solenoid B Performance or Stock Off

* P0757 Shift Solenoid B Stuck On

* P0758 Shift Solenoid B Electrical

* P0759 Shift Solenoid B Intermittent

* P0760 Shift Solenoid C Malfunction

* P0761 Shift Solenoid C Performance or Stuck Off

* P0762 Shift Solenoid C Stuck On

* P0763 Shift Solenoid C Electrical

* P0764 Shift Solenoid C Intermittent

* P0765 Shift Solenoid D Malfunction

* P0766 Shift Solenoid D Performance or Stuck Off

* P0767 Shift Solenoid D Stuck On

* P0768 Shift Solenoid D Electrical

* P0769 Shift Solenoid D Intermittent

* P0770 Shift Solenoid E Malfunction

* P0771 Shift Solenoid E Performance or Stuck Off

* P0772 Shift Solenoid E Stuck On

* P0773 Shift Solenoid E Electrical

* P0774 Shift Solenoid E Intermittent

* P0780 Shift Malfunction

* P0781 1-2 Shift Malfunction

* P0782 2-3 Shift Malfunction

* P0783 3-4 Shift Malfunction

* P0784 4-5 Shift Malfunction

* P0785 Shift/Timing Solenoid Malfunction

* P0786 Shift/Timing Solenoid Range/Performance

* P0787 Shift/Timing Solenoid Low

* P0788 Shift/Timing Solenoid High

* P0789 Shift/Timing Solenoid Intermittent

* P0790 Normal/Performance Switch Circuit Malfunction

* P0801 Reverse Inhibit Control Circuit Malfunction

* P0803 1-4 Upshift (Skip Shift) Solenoid Control Circuit Malfunction

* P0804 1-4 Upshift (Skip Shift) Lamp Control Circuit Malfunction
Specific to Honda:

CodeDescription

P1106

Barometric Pressure Circuit Range/Performance

P1107

Barometric Pressure Circuit Low Input

P1108

Barometric Pressure Circuit High Input

P1121

Throttle Position Lower Than Expected

P1122

Throttle Position Higher Than Expected

P1128

MAP Lower Than Expected

P1129

MAP Higher Than Expected

P1149

Primary HO2S (Sensor 1) Circuit Range/Performance Problem

P1162

Primary HO2S (No. 1) Circuit Malfunction

P1163

Primary HO2S (No. 1) Circuit Slow Response

P1164

Primary HO2S (No. 1) Circuit Range/Performance

P1165

Primary HO2S (No. 1) Circuit Range/Performance

P1166

Primary HO2S (No. 1) Heater System Electrical

P1167

Primary HO2S (No. 1) Heater System

P1168

Primary HO2S (No. 1) LABEL Low Input

P1169

Primary HO2S (No. 1) LABEL High Input

P1253

VTEC System Malfunction

P1257

VTEC System Malfunction

P1258

VTEC System Malfunction

P1259

VTEC System Malfunction

P1297

Electrical Load Detector Circuit Low Input

P1298

Electrical Load Detector Circuit High Input

P1300

Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected

P1336

CSF Sensor Intermittent Interruption

P1337

CSF Sensor No Signal

P1359

CKP/TDC Sensor Connector Disconnection

P1361

Intermittent Interruption In TDC 1 Sensor Circuit

P1362

No Signal In TDC 1 Sensor Circuit

P1366

Intermittent Interruption In TDC 2 Sensor Circuit

P1367

No Signal In TDC 2 Sensor Circuit

P1381

Cylinder Position Sensor Intermittent Interruption

P1382

Cylinder Position Sensor No Signal

P1456

EVAP Emission Control System Leak Detected (Fuel Tank System)

P1457

EVAP Emission Control System Leak Detected (Control Canister System)

P1459

EVAP Emission Purge Flow Switch Malfunction

P1486

Thermostat Range/Performance Problem

P1491

EGR Valve Lift Insufficient Detected

P1498

EGR Valve Lift Sensor High Voltage

P1508

IAC Valve Circuit Failure

P1509

IAC Valve Circuit Failure

P1519

Idle Air Control Valve Circuit Failure

P1607

ECM/PCM Internal Circuit Failure A

P1655

SEAF/SEFA/TMA/TMB Signal Line Failure

P1656

Automatic Transaxle

P1660

Automatic Transaxle FI Signal A Circuit Failure

P1676

FPTDR Signal Line Failure

P1678

FPTDR Signal Line Failure

P1681

Automatic Transaxle FI Signal A Low Input

P1682

Automatic Transaxle FI Signal A High Input

P1686

Automatic Transaxle FI Signal B Low Input

P1687

Automatic Transaxle FI Signal B High Input

P1705

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1706

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1738

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1739

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1753

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1758

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1768

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1773

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1785

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1786

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1790

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1791

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1792

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1793

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1794

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1870

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1873

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1879

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1885

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1886

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1888

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1890

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

P1891

Automatic Transaxle Concerns

Now I'm dizzy. Thanks a lot!

No shit...

stop posting this

it....makes...me.....fall down.....information....over....load

Posted: 9/25/2009 2:45:19 PM EDT

[#12]

Small update in OP.

Posted: 9/26/2009 2:42:50 AM EDT

[#13]

On my truck the light comes on when the speedometer has stopped working for several minutes. To fix it, I snap the "glass" in front of the speedo or tap on the top of the dash. the Speedo comes back and about 20 seconds lataer the check engine light goes out. I don't even have to go to the free check places.

Posted: 9/26/2009 2:49:42 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

Now I'm dizzy. Thanks a lot!

No shit...

Both of you should be banned.

Posted: 9/26/2009 2:53:50 AM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:

Now I'm dizzy. Thanks a lot!

No shit...

stop posting this

it....makes...me.....fall down.....information....over....load

I take that back. all three of you should be banned.

Posted: 9/26/2009 3:01:17 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:

UpDate: On the way home the car started having idling problems and the RPMs would go up really high then back to normal while driving. Almost hesitating to accelerate. Any thoughts to what the deal is here?

Why didn't you go to an auto parts place on your way home and find out what the code is like everyone in this thread told you to??? then you would know what the deal is.

Posted: 9/26/2009 7:56:05 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:

UpDate: On the way home the car started having idling problems and the RPMs would go up really high then back to normal while driving. Almost hesitating to accelerate. Any thoughts to what the deal is here?

Why didn't you go to an auto parts place on your way home and find out what the code is like everyone in this thread told you to??? then you would know what the deal is.

I had to go to my second job and could not get by there.

Posted: 9/26/2009 7:58:10 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
I think it means you should check the engine.

Just a wild guess

ROFL

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Posted: 9/26/2009 8:19:11 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Go get the code read at a parts store, come back here and tell us what it is. We'll go from there. BTW I'm a tech at a Honda dealership, and we charge a lot just to check it because Honda charges us a couple of grand a month just to keep our "code machine thing" updated. Plus, most of us techs are flat rate, which means we get no hourly wage or salary what so ever. We only get paid by the job we do, so if I touch it, you're probably going to pay.

Don't feel bad reptar, All the dealers charge a steep diagnostic charge. I bought my first Snap on "brick" in 88 or 89 and I think dealers were charging 45-50 for a hook up not long after that.

I just up-dated my own personal scanner.....just over a grand. cars are much different than they used to be, a new car is a very sophisticated piece of equipment with as many as a dozen [or more] processors ..working on these things takes training and tools.....which translates into bucks.
that is why repairs cost so much sometimes...wanna whine about it?...take it to the .gov all the regulations the manufacturers must meet come from ther.

Shop owner here. I totally agree with you. I have been looking into the scan tool options for upgrade. SnapOn Modis 8 grand. That is a LOT of check engines to diag before that gets paid off.

We've got a Modis as well. It needs upgraded about every 6 months or so, costs around $500 or so every time. Then we've got our Honda and our Nissan, and they charge us monthly. Nissan recently sent us Consult-III, which is one of those toughbook laptops, that's our new scanner. It ran us 15K, no joke. Lots of money wrapped up in diagnotic equipment, but what are you gonna do?

So are the $50-100 units I'm tempted to buy just junk?

Posted: 9/26/2009 8:24:10 AM EDT

[#20]

Well, since we still don't know the exact code, I can't say for sure. However, There is a service news out in the Honda database for having either a code P2646 or P2647 (VTEC oil pressure switch circuit low voltage and High voltage), and Honda says replacing the VTEC switch usually repairs that problem. This is for 4 cylinder Accords only. But, your symptoms on it not idleing right doesn't really have anything to do with the VTEC system, so you may have 2 seperate problems.

The one thing that always causes VTEC system malfuctions is low oil. I know it's simple, but I see it a lot in the shop, so make sure you keep on that.

Posted: 9/26/2009 8:30:19 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Go get the code read at a parts store, come back here and tell us what it is. We'll go from there. BTW I'm a tech at a Honda dealership, and we charge a lot just to check it because Honda charges us a couple of grand a month just to keep our "code machine thing" updated. Plus, most of us techs are flat rate, which means we get no hourly wage or salary what so ever. We only get paid by the job we do, so if I touch it, you're probably going to pay.

Don't feel bad reptar, All the dealers charge a steep diagnostic charge. I bought my first Snap on "brick" in 88 or 89 and I think dealers were charging 45-50 for a hook up not long after that.

I just up-dated my own personal scanner.....just over a grand. cars are much different than they used to be, a new car is a very sophisticated piece of equipment with as many as a dozen [or more] processors ..working on these things takes training and tools.....which translates into bucks.
that is why repairs cost so much sometimes...wanna whine about it?...take it to the .gov all the regulations the manufacturers must meet come from ther.

Shop owner here. I totally agree with you. I have been looking into the scan tool options for upgrade. SnapOn Modis 8 grand. That is a LOT of check engines to diag before that gets paid off.

We've got a Modis as well. It needs upgraded about every 6 months or so, costs around $500 or so every time. Then we've got our Honda and our Nissan, and they charge us monthly. Nissan recently sent us Consult-III, which is one of those toughbook laptops, that's our new scanner. It ran us 15K, no joke. Lots of money wrapped up in diagnotic equipment, but what are you gonna do?

So are the $50-100 units I'm tempted to buy just junk?

Those work fine for retrieving and clearing DTCs. I have one like that, 'cause it's quick and easy to use just to clear codes.

I'm primarily a Ford guy, the meat and potatoes of what I use for diagnosing, I've got about $4K tied up in for the communication interface, cables, laptop, Windows Mobile pocket PC, etc. and a $485/year software license. The shop has the whole kit which was about $12-13K if I remember right.

Posted: 9/26/2009 8:37:14 AM EDT

[#22]

Seriously... How hard is it to take it to the auto parts store, get the error for free, look up said error, then more than likely replace a relatively cheap part that requires the removal of a couple screws?

Posted: 9/26/2009 8:39:12 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
Seriously... How hard is it to take it to the auto parts store, get the error for free, look up said error, then more than likely replace a relatively cheap part that requires the removal of a couple screws?

What if the replacement of said relatively cheap part doesn't fix it?

Posted: 9/26/2009 8:43:04 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Seriously... How hard is it to take it to the auto parts store, get the error for free, look up said error, then more than likely replace a relatively cheap part that requires the removal of a couple screws?

What if the replacement of said relatively cheap part doesn't fix it?

Ok, take it to a shop let them do all the work on it and charge alot of money for the same exact thing you can do yourself. Cars have computers in them now a days. They will pretty much tell what exactly is wrong with them anymore. More than likely it's a valve or sensor of some kind.

Posted: 9/26/2009 8:45:22 AM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Seriously... How hard is it to take it to the auto parts store, get the error for free, look up said error, then more than likely replace a relatively cheap part that requires the removal of a couple screws?

What if the replacement of said relatively cheap part doesn't fix it?

Ok, take it to a shop let them do all the work on it and charge alot of money for the same exact thing you can do yourself. Cars have computers in them now a days. They will pretty much tell what exactly is wrong with them anymore. More than likely it's a valve or sensor of some kind.

Those computers nowadays indeed will tell you a lot of information. Interpreting that information, and determining what failed, sometimes that ain't so easy.

Posted: 9/26/2009 8:50:18 AM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
Well, since we still don't know the exact code, I can't say for sure. However, There is a service news out in the Honda database for having either a code P2646 or P2647 (VTEC oil pressure switch circuit low voltage and High voltage), and Honda says replacing the VTEC switch usually repairs that problem. This is for 4 cylinder Accords only. But, your symptoms on it not idleing right doesn't really have anything to do with the VTEC system, so you may have 2 seperate problems.

The one thing that always causes VTEC system malfuctions is low oil. I know it's simple, but I see it a lot in the shop, so make sure you keep on that.

Thanks for the info. It is a 4cylinder, he said something about the pressure switch circuit not working. I really hope this fixes it, I am short on time these days.

Posted: 9/26/2009 8:52:38 AM EDT

[#27]

To all you guys bitching about paying a diagnosis fee from a shop, let me give you a little perspective from the "other side of the fence." I work on German autos for a living, and am paid by the billable hour not by the clock. We have a very well run little shop, that's been in business for 40 years, and we repair cars the honest way - we diagnose the root cause of a problem and fix it, and if we are wrong we eat it not the customer. All that being said, our shop charges near $100 for a standard diagnosis that doesn't require complex disassembly or electrical tracing unless we can do that in the hour the customer is paying for. The Mercedes computer system we use cost over $6,000 by itself, and we have computer scanners for Mercedes, BMW, Volkswagen and Audi. On top of that, each of us as technicians have training that costs (we go to schools a couple times a year that cost around $1,300 a weekend per person) and we all have tools that are generally expensive (the average mechanic has $15,000 invested in his box and tools). If you pay us to scan your check engine light, we give you a diagnosis that we stand by - if we call an oxygen sensor, it will fix the problem or we clearly state up front before you pay any further that it is a problem that will have to be fixed to further diagnose. No hidden charges, and if we change a part that we find isn't bad, we will take it off and not charge you for it. Period. Not many shops work that way, but we have the experience and competence as a shop to work that way. We get people who have tried to diagnose their own problems, and usually about 20% of them are right (usually if the diagnosis is simple or if they are a car enthusiast who is fairly knowledgeable about their car and do some of their own basis maintenance). If they bring their own "diagnosis" we will either waive the diagnosis charge and do their requested work with no guarantees other than waranteeing our labor and parts we supply, or more commonly, they will decide to let us diagnose to take the risk off of them. We are paid for our expertise, the same as any other skilled person. If you can do your own work correctly, safely, and without "throwing parts at the problem" to diagnose your car, great - you will save yourself countless dollars over the course of car ownership. Otherwise, take your car to a reputable shop that can fix (not just work on) car.

Posted: 9/26/2009 9:13:28 AM EDT

[#28]

Ok, its going to be 300 total to have it all fixed.

FU VTEC Solenoid pressure switch thing! Its a 2005 and this is the first problem I guess thats good....I have 5 payments left

And I was going to buy my first AK

Posted: 9/26/2009 9:30:28 AM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Go get the code read at a parts store, come back here and tell us what it is. We'll go from there. BTW I'm a tech at a Honda dealership, and we charge a lot just to check it because Honda charges us a couple of grand a month just to keep our "code machine thing" updated. Plus, most of us techs are flat rate, which means we get no hourly wage or salary what so ever. We only get paid by the job we do, so if I touch it, you're probably going to pay.

Don't feel bad reptar, All the dealers charge a steep diagnostic charge. I bought my first Snap on "brick" in 88 or 89 and I think dealers were charging 45-50 for a hook up not long after that.

I just up-dated my own personal scanner.....just over a grand. cars are much different than they used to be, a new car is a very sophisticated piece of equipment with as many as a dozen [or more] processors ..working on these things takes training and tools.....which translates into bucks.
that is why repairs cost so much sometimes...wanna whine about it?...take it to the .gov all the regulations the manufacturers must meet come from ther.

Shop owner here. I totally agree with you. I have been looking into the scan tool options for upgrade. SnapOn Modis 8 grand. That is a LOT of check engines to diag before that gets paid off.

We've got a Modis as well. It needs upgraded about every 6 months or so, costs around $500 or so every time. Then we've got our Honda and our Nissan, and they charge us monthly. Nissan recently sent us Consult-III, which is one of those toughbook laptops, that's our new scanner. It ran us 15K, no joke. Lots of money wrapped up in diagnotic equipment, but what are you gonna do?

So are the $50-100 units I'm tempted to buy just junk?

Those work fine for retrieving and clearing DTCs. I have one like that, 'cause it's quick and easy to use just to clear codes.

I'm primarily a Ford guy, the meat and potatoes of what I use for diagnosing, I've got about $4K tied up in for the communication interface, cables, laptop, Windows Mobile pocket PC, etc. and a $485/year software license. The shop has the whole kit which was about $12-13K if I remember right.

There is a HUGE difference between a code reader ($50 or so) and a scan tool that the professionals use for $10K. A code reader will tell you what check engine code tripped the SES / CE light. The scan tool can tell you a thousand times more information then the code reader. A scan tool can shut off cylinders, injectors, spark plugs ect... and give real time information from every sensor in the car. To watch a tech use one is pretty impressive.

I normally will clear a code and then see if the code comes back before doing any kind of work to the car. Sometimes the computers just pick up a just happened once event and may not ever happen again. I only get concerned about the check light when the car is also not running normal.

Posted: 9/26/2009 10:49:03 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
Ok, its going to be 300 total to have it all fixed.

FU VTEC Solenoid pressure switch thing! Its a 2005 and this is the first problem I guess thats good....I have 5 payments left

And I was going to buy my first AK

Really not too bad of a bill. Just out of curiosity, did you end up taking it to a dealer or independent shop?

Posted: 9/26/2009 11:02:30 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

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Now I'm dizzy. Thanks a lot!

And way to quote the whole thing.

Exactly what i was thinking

Posted: 9/26/2009 11:24:03 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Ok, its going to be 300 total to have it all fixed.

FU VTEC Solenoid pressure switch thing! Its a 2005 and this is the first problem I guess thats good....I have 5 payments left

And I was going to buy my first AK

Really not too bad of a bill. Just out of curiosity, did you end up taking it to a dealer or independent shop?

I went to a local shop. I have been going there for years and they are about as honest as I have been able to find. Its high volume and they do not remember you but they have been honest as far as I can tell with me so far. I use them exclusively for everything. So far so good. I watch things real close when I can and appreciate the feedback here when talking to them for sure. Thanks again.

Posted: 9/26/2009 11:55:46 AM EDT

[#33]

mine always comes on

i just put some black duck tap over it

problem solved

Posted: 9/26/2009 11:59:43 AM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Ok, its going to be 300 total to have it all fixed.

FU VTEC Solenoid pressure switch thing! Its a 2005 and this is the first problem I guess thats good....I have 5 payments left

And I was going to buy my first AK

Really not too bad of a bill. Just out of curiosity, did you end up taking it to a dealer or independent shop?

I went to a local shop. I have been going there for years and they are about as honest as I have been able to find. Its high volume and they do not remember you but they have been honest as far as I can tell with me so far. I use them exclusively for everything. So far so good. I watch things real close when I can and appreciate the feedback here when talking to them for sure. Thanks again.

Gotta love the stereotyping.

Posted: 9/26/2009 12:03:15 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Seriously... How hard is it to take it to the auto parts store, get the error for free, look up said error, then more than likely replace a relatively cheap part that requires the removal of a couple screws?

What if the replacement of said relatively cheap part doesn't fix it?

Ok, take it to a shop let them do all the work on it and charge alot of money for the same exact thing you can do yourself. Cars have computers in them now a days. They will pretty much tell what exactly is wrong with them anymore. More than likely it's a valve or sensor of some kind.

Those computers nowadays indeed will tell you a lot of information. Interpreting that information, and determining what failed, sometimes that ain't so easy.

I dont know about you Quintin but at my shop about a third of the time the code has almost nothing to do with the part actually needing replacing. It points you in the right direction but not always the right part.

Posted: 9/26/2009 12:32:43 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Seriously... How hard is it to take it to the auto parts store, get the error for free, look up said error, then more than likely replace a relatively cheap part that requires the removal of a couple screws?

What if the replacement of said relatively cheap part doesn't fix it?

Ok, take it to a shop let them do all the work on it and charge alot of money for the same exact thing you can do yourself. Cars have computers in them now a days. They will pretty much tell what exactly is wrong with them anymore. More than likely it's a valve or sensor of some kind.

Those computers nowadays indeed will tell you a lot of information. Interpreting that information, and determining what failed, sometimes that ain't so easy.

I dont know about you Quintin but at my shop about a third of the time the code has almost nothing to do with the part actually needing replacing. It points you in the right direction but not always the right part.

Yeah, same here

I could retire if I had a dollar for every EGR valve Autozone has sold someone on their 4.6 liter Ford with an insufficient EGR flow code, or every O2 sensor they've sold someone who had lean codes.

Posted: 9/26/2009 12:47:44 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Ok, its going to be 300 total to have it all fixed.

FU VTEC Solenoid pressure switch thing! Its a 2005 and this is the first problem I guess thats good....I have 5 payments left

And I was going to buy my first AK

Really not too bad of a bill. Just out of curiosity, did you end up taking it to a dealer or independent shop?

I went to a local shop. I have been going there for years and they are about as honest as I have been able to find. Its high volume and they do not remember you but they have been honest as far as I can tell with me so far. I use them exclusively for everything. So far so good. I watch things real close when I can and appreciate the feedback here when talking to them for sure. Thanks again.

Gotta love the stereotyping.

Oh please, "look at me I am offended!" I am so special!

Hell they tried to push a bunch of other crap on me this time but I told them no. They are all trying to screw you out of as much cash as possible. Its business and thats the way it is.

Posted: 9/26/2009 12:49:52 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Ok, its going to be 300 total to have it all fixed.

FU VTEC Solenoid pressure switch thing! Its a 2005 and this is the first problem I guess thats good....I have 5 payments left

And I was going to buy my first AK

Really not too bad of a bill. Just out of curiosity, did you end up taking it to a dealer or independent shop?

I went to a local shop. I have been going there for years and they are about as honest as I have been able to find. Its high volume and they do not remember you but they have been honest as far as I can tell with me so far. I use them exclusively for everything. So far so good. I watch things real close when I can and appreciate the feedback here when talking to them for sure. Thanks again.

Gotta love the stereotyping.

Oh please, "look at me I am offended!" I am so special!

Hell they tried to push a bunch of other crap on me this time but I told them no. They are all trying to screw you out of as much cash as possible. Its business and thats the way it is.

I kinda thought that was the point of a business, to offer goods and services to its customers in exchange for money.

Who knows, you might have even needed some of that stuff.

Posted: 9/26/2009 1:20:53 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Ok, its going to be 300 total to have it all fixed.

FU VTEC Solenoid pressure switch thing! Its a 2005 and this is the first problem I guess thats good....I have 5 payments left

And I was going to buy my first AK

Really not too bad of a bill. Just out of curiosity, did you end up taking it to a dealer or independent shop?

I went to a local shop. I have been going there for years and they are about as honest as I have been able to find. Its high volume and they do not remember you but they have been honest as far as I can tell with me so far. I use them exclusively for everything. So far so good. I watch things real close when I can and appreciate the feedback here when talking to them for sure. Thanks again.

Gotta love the stereotyping.

Oh please, "look at me I am offended!" I am so special!

Hell they tried to push a bunch of other crap on me this time but I told them no. They are all trying to screw you out of as much cash as possible. Its business and thats the way it is.

I kinda thought that was the point of a business, to offer goods and services to its customers in exchange for money.

Who knows, you might have even needed some of that stuff.

I am sure he did not need any of the things they said was wrong with his vehicle, it was just the tech steeling from him to make the payments on his Ferrari.

Posted: 9/26/2009 1:29:12 PM EDT

[#40]

I can't believe that electrical tape has been suggested.

I can't believe it because I thought I was the only one "redneck enough" to do this. I have done this in my old, paid for, not so pretty, high mileage assed hooptie for years.

Posted: 9/26/2009 1:41:27 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
I can't believe that electrical tape has been suggested.

I can't believe it because I thought I was the only one "redneck enough" to do this. I have done this in my old, paid for, not so pretty, high mileage assed hooptie for years.

Typically what I see is the family picture stuck in over it. At least you can see something happy while your engine blows up right

Posted: 9/28/2009 5:07:39 AM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Go get the code read at a parts store, come back here and tell us what it is. We'll go from there. BTW I'm a tech at a Honda dealership, and we charge a lot just to check it because Honda charges us a couple of grand a month just to keep our "code machine thing" updated. Plus, most of us techs are flat rate, which means we get no hourly wage or salary what so ever. We only get paid by the job we do, so if I touch it, you're probably going to pay.

Don't feel bad reptar, All the dealers charge a steep diagnostic charge. I bought my first Snap on "brick" in 88 or 89 and I think dealers were charging 45-50 for a hook up not long after that.

I just up-dated my own personal scanner.....just over a grand. cars are much different than they used to be, a new car is a very sophisticated piece of equipment with as many as a dozen [or more] processors ..working on these things takes training and tools.....which translates into bucks.

that is why repairs cost so much sometimes...wanna whine about it?...take it to the .gov all the regulations the manufacturers must meet come from ther.

UMMM.who's whining?

Posted: 9/28/2009 5:24:00 AM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Go get the code read at a parts store, come back here and tell us what it is. We'll go from there. BTW I'm a tech at a Honda dealership, and we charge a lot just to check it because Honda charges us a couple of grand a month just to keep our "code machine thing" updated. Plus, most of us techs are flat rate, which means we get no hourly wage or salary what so ever. We only get paid by the job we do, so if I touch it, you're probably going to pay.

Don't feel bad reptar, All the dealers charge a steep diagnostic charge. I bought my first Snap on "brick" in 88 or 89 and I think dealers were charging 45-50 for a hook up not long after that.

I just up-dated my own personal scanner.....just over a grand. cars are much different than they used to be, a new car is a very sophisticated piece of equipment with as many as a dozen [or more] processors ..working on these things takes training and tools.....which translates into bucks.

that is why repairs cost so much sometimes...wanna whine about it?...take it to the .gov all the regulations the manufacturers must meet come from ther.

Shop owner here. I totally agree with you. I have been looking into the scan tool options for upgrade. SnapOn Modis 8 grand. That is a LOT of check engines to diag before that gets paid off.

We've got a Modis as well. It needs upgraded about every 6 months or so, costs around $500 or so every time. Then we've got our Honda and our Nissan, and they charge us monthly. Nissan recently sent us Consult-III, which is one of those toughbook laptops, that's our new scanner. It ran us 15K, no joke. Lots of money wrapped up in diagnotic equipment, but what are you gonna do?

I gave up on the Snap On diagnostics a couple years ago. Bought a Bosch Mastertech VCI. So far I have been really happy with it. Downside......maybe.....is that it works in conjunction with a laptop. Upside of this is, it is fast.....really fast. Also being able to flash our vehicles is great. I have had some guys come back in after a re flash saying some other driveability concerns were gone and they were really happy. It allows you to take an hour plus movie. Get back to the shop and view it in user selectable display options. The unit was about 3K. The subscriptions run around 1500. Then the cost of the computer. I have mine on a laptop and a desktop. I believe you can get three licenses. Also has wireless capability that I haven't tried yet. Take a look. Oh yeah, it also has great coverage on the european stuff. We have a couple bmw's around here, as well as some other German stuff.

Posted: 9/28/2009 5:55:33 AM EDT

[#44]

Electrical tape....pshaaa....I used the big Auto-Meter sticker that came with the Monster tach to cover that puppy up.

Posted: 9/28/2009 5:56:25 AM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Seriously... How hard is it to take it to the auto parts store, get the error for free, look up said error, then more than likely replace a relatively cheap part that requires the removal of a couple screws?

What if the replacement of said relatively cheap part doesn't fix it?

Ok, take it to a shop let them do all the work on it and charge alot of money for the same exact thing you can do yourself. Cars have computers in them now a days. They will pretty much tell what exactly is wrong with them anymore. More than likely it's a valve or sensor of some kind.

Those computers nowadays indeed will tell you a lot of information. Interpreting that information, and determining what failed, sometimes that ain't so easy.

I dont know about you Quintin but at my shop about a third of the time the code has almost nothing to do with the part actually needing replacing. It points you in the right direction but not always the right part.

Yeah, same here

I could retire if I had a dollar for every EGR valve Autozone has sold someone on their 4.6 liter Ford with an insufficient EGR flow code, or every O2 sensor they've sold someone who had lean codes.

Shhhhhh. We don't know nufin.

Chris

Posted: 9/28/2009 5:59:04 AM EDT

[#46]

Auto-Zone, Advanced Auto Parts, etc.... will read your code for free.

The symptoms you are describing could be one of several things- the cam shaft sensor, the crank shaft sensor, a problem in the computer/chip (or a couple of other possibilities)

Posted: 9/28/2009 7:51:08 AM EDT

[#47]

FYI......I had a P0440 over a bad EGR gasket. EGR good-gasket bad =P0440.

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