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Posted: 8/24/2009 6:30:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2009 6:31:01 PM EST by Troubl3shooter]

AP IMPACT: New meth formula avoids anti-drug laws

TULSA, Okla. – This is the new formula for methamphetamine: a two-liter soda bottle, a few handfuls of cold pills and some noxious chemicals. Shake the bottle and the volatile reaction produces one of the world's most addictive drugs.

Only a few years ago, making meth required an elaborate lab — with filthy containers simmering over open flames, cans of flammable liquids and hundreds of pills. The process gave off foul odors, sometimes sparked explosions and was so hard to conceal that dealers often "cooked" their drugs in rural areas.

But now drug users are making their own meth in small batches using a faster, cheaper and much simpler method with ingredients that can be carried in a knapsack and mixed on the run. The "shake-and-bake" approach has become popular because it requires a relatively small number of pills of the decongestant pseudoephedrine — an amount easily obtained under even the toughest anti-meth laws that have been adopted across the nation to restrict large purchases of some cold medication.

"Somebody somewhere said 'Wait this requires a lot less pseudoephedrine, and I can fly under the radar,'" said Mark Woodward, spokesman for the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs Control.

An Associated Press review of lab seizures and interviews with state and federal law enforcement agents found that the new method is rapidly spreading across the nation's midsection and is contributing to a spike in the number of meth cases after years of declining arrests.

The new formula does away with the clutter of typical meth labs, and it can turn the back seat of a car or a bathroom stall into a makeshift drug factory. Some addicts have even made the drug while driving.

The pills are crushed, combined with some common household chemicals and then shaken in the soda bottle. No flame is required.

Using the new formula, batches of meth are much smaller but just as dangerous as the old system, which sometimes produces powerful explosions, touches off intense fires and releases drug ingredients that must be handled as toxic waste.

"If there is any oxygen at all in the bottle, it has a propensity to make a giant fireball," said Sgt. Jason Clark of the Missouri State Highway Patrol's Division of Drug and Crime Control. "You're not dealing with rocket scientists here anyway. If they get unlucky at all, it can have a very devastating reaction."

One little mistake, such as unscrewing the bottle cap too fast, can result in a huge blast, and police in Alabama, Oklahoma and other states have linked dozens of flash fires this year — some of them fatal — to meth manufacturing.

"Every meth recipe is dangerous, but in this one, if you don't shake it just right, you can build up too much pressure, and the container can pop," Woodward said.

When fire broke out in older labs, "it was usually on a stove in a back room or garage and people would just run, but when these things pop, you see more extreme burns because they are holding it. There are more fires and more burns because of the close proximity, whether it's on a couch or driving down the road."

After the chemical reaction, what's left is a crystalline powder that users smoke, snort or inject. They often discard the bottle, which now contains a poisonous brown and white sludge. Dozens of reports describe toxic bottles strewn along highways and rural roads in states with the worst meth problems.

The do-it-yourself method creates just enough meth for a few hits, allowing users to make their own doses instead of buying mass-produced drugs from a dealer.

"It simplified the process so much that everybody's making their own dope," said Kevin Williams, sheriff of Marion County, Ala., about 80 miles west of Birmingham. "It can be your next-door neighbor doing it. It can be one of your family members living downstairs in the basement."

A typical meth lab would normally take days to generate a full-size batch of meth, which would require a heat source and dozens, maybe hundreds, of boxes of cold pills.

But because the new method uses far less pseudoephedrine, small-time users are able to make the drug in spite of a federal law that bars customers from buying more than 9 grams — roughly 300 pills — a month.

The federal government and dozens of states adopted restrictions on pseudoephedrine in 2005, and the number of lab busts fell dramatically.

The total number of clandestine meth lab incidents reported to the Drug Enforcement Administration fell from almost 17,400 in 2003 to just 7,347 in 2006.

But the number of busts has begun to climb again, and some authorities blame the shake-and-bake method for renewing meth activity.

The AP review of 14 states found:

• At least 10 states reported increases in meth lab seizures or meth-related arrests from 2007 to 2008.

• The Mississippi State Crime Lab participated in 457 meth incidents through May 31, up from 122 for the same period a year ago — a nearly 275 percent increase.

• Several states, such as Oklahoma and Tennessee, are on pace this year to double the number of labs busted in 2008. The director of Tennessee's meth task force said the pace of lab busts in his state is projected to be about 1,300 for 2009, compared with 815 for all of 2008.

Some states lack a central database to monitor cold medicine sales, so meth cooks circumvent state laws by pill shopping in multiple cities and states — a practice known as "smurfing" that allows them to stay under restrictions placed on sales.

Traci Fruit, a special agent with the Kansas Bureau of Investigation, said law enforcement officials are becoming increasingly frustrated because there's no way to tell who is buying what "unless we go from store to store ourselves and pull up the records."

Historically, rural states like Oklahoma, Missouri and Kansas have been hotbeds for meth use because an important ingredient in the traditional method, anhydrous ammonia, was easily available from tanks on farms where it's used as a fertilizer. But the new formula does not need anhydrous ammonia and instead uses ammonium nitrate, a compound easily found in instant cold packs that can be purchased at any drug store.

Data from the Justice Department and the DEA data suggest the method could only be in its early stages, and "shake-and-bake" labs have recently been discovered as far north as Indiana and as far east as West Virginia.

States surveyed by the AP also included: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Florida, Tennessee, Kansas, Missouri, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, New Mexico, Arizona and California.

While many law enforcement agencies are just learning how to spot the new labs, other states are rushing to close loopholes in laws limiting the sale of meth ingredients.

Mississippi Sen. Sid Albritton, said that state's law — modeled after Oklahoma's — forces buyers to show identification and makes stores keep a log of cold medicine sales. But the problem in Mississippi is lack of technology to instantly log purchases in a central database.

"You have to understand going in that drugs are an evolutionary process," said Albritton, a former police detective and narcotics officer. "The day after we pass a law, they are going to look for ways to circumvent that."

Link Posted: 8/24/2009 6:33:28 PM EST
Another complete failure of the "War on Drugs".

Link Posted: 8/24/2009 6:37:18 PM EST
It really sux when you are stuffed up and miserable with a headache and fever to have to jump thru hoops at the counterperson to get a simple pack of cold medicine..
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 6:38:14 PM EST
Well, they can check Meth off the list of drugs to "fight" now.
Pretty pointless to try and fight something that can be manufactured that easy.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 6:38:33 PM EST
A new method that makes it easier for the meth heads to set themselves on fire.

I'm all for it.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 6:40:09 PM EST
So now the cops can bust me for having a drug lab or drug making equipment if I buy a 2 liter bottle of Coke.

Before you laugh, remember the guy busted for having tic tacs in his mouth. He spent 90 days in jail for it. The state drug lab confirmed it was breath mints.

Link Posted: 8/24/2009 6:40:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:

"You have to understand going in that drugs are an evolutionary process," said Albritton, a former police detective and narcoticsofficer. "The day after we pass a law, they are going to look for waysto circumvent that."

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And where does it end?

We gonna ban cold packs and 2 liter soda bottles now too?
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 6:41:43 PM EST
Fuck. Now they are going to ban instant cold packs.

Anyone making their own reactive targets will also be suspect.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 6:41:58 PM EST
This should surprise exactly no one.

Our drug laws are fucking retarded.

If someone wants to get high, they WILL get high.

No law is going to stop it, no outlawing of a synthesis pathway or restriction of precursor chemicals. Nothing. A junkie will find a way.

But I have to say that in the annals of drug legislation the pseudoephedrine restrictions is hands-down the most idiotic, ham-handed clusterfuck I have ever seen.

Only a politician and maybe the DEA could possibly come up with a scheme that not only makes it an inconvenience for folks suffering from a cold, but imposes idiotic record-keeping requirements on pharmacies....oh yeah, and in the meantime they've lowered the effective dosage of each pill so now I have to take 4 pills to get the same response as I used to get from 1.

Thanks assholes.

(And I'm not even talking about the meth-heads)
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 6:45:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2009 6:47:45 PM EST by nova96]
I predicted this when the the sudaphed controls first came out. There's only about a dozen different ways to make the shit so it was inevitable they would get another one going meaning yet again, that laws to control an item, only hurt us law abiding citizens. I have recurrent sinus problems and having to sign my life away for sudaphed is a real pain in the ass....

instead uses ammonium nitrate, a compound easily found in instant cold packs that can be purchased at any drug store.


WTF, ammonium nitrate is fucking fertilizer
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 6:52:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By nova96:
I predicted this when the the sudaphed controls first came out. There's only about a dozen different ways to make the shit so it was inevitable they would get another one going meaning yet again, that laws to control an item, only hurt us law abiding citizens. I have recurrent sinus problems and having to sign my life away for sudaphed is a real pain in the ass....

instead uses ammonium nitrate, a compound easily found in instant cold packs that can be purchased at any drug store.


WTF, ammonium nitrate is fucking fertilizer


Yes, both evidently.

The chemical compound ammonium nitrate, the nitrate of ammonia with the chemical formula NH4NO3, is a white crystalline solid at room temperature and standard pressure. It is commonly used in agriculture as a high-nitrogen fertilizer, and it has also been used as an oxidizing agent in explosives, including improvised explosive devices.

Ammonium nitrate is used in cold packs, as hydrating the salt is an endothermic process.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 6:56:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Fuck. Now they are going to ban instant cold packs.

Anyone making their own reactive targets will also be suspect.


Or has another need for AN.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 6:58:04 PM EST
Here is my Idea:

Make a super drug that gets you high but leaves you sterile

And then Give it away for free to whoever wants it.



Link Posted: 8/24/2009 6:58:34 PM EST
Mix Ammonium nitrate with diesel fuel and light with blasting caps and you will be sky high.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 6:59:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2009 7:00:28 PM EST by Shakes525]
?!?!?

Is this a flashback? This is far from new. Around here we've been carded for decongestants for at least a few years.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 6:59:57 PM EST
Clearly, the solution should be to ban the possession of all household chemicals.

DUH!
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:00:18 PM EST
Maybe I'm cold and insensitive, but just legalize the crap and let them OD.

I'm tired of having to suffer cause of morality laws and go through all the BS hoops so I can get some sinus relief. Granted a box of sudafed will last me min of 6 months, but I shouldn't have to sign my life away to get relief.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:03:29 PM EST
For being a bunch of druggies, they can be quite smart.

One more reason to legalize. I saw that Mexico is changing their laws. Possesion will only result in jail time after your 3rd bust.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:07:24 PM EST
There are four generations of allergy sufferers in my house.

Because of the electronic database we get to split a pack a month three ways (I'm not giving my seven year old sudafed, she'd explode or something).

Thanks Feincanstein, thanks PATRIOT Act. Now THAT'S bipartisanship in action.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:08:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
Here is my Idea:

Make a super drug that gets you the worlds best high but leaves you sterile and drastically shortens your life.

And then Give it away for free to whoever wants it and will get a tat on their forehead permitting EMT's and ER's to refuse to treat them.





Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:11:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By Shakes525:
?!?!?

Is this a flashback? This is far from new. Around here we've been carded for decongestants for at least a few years.

Reading the article might help. This gets around that.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:21:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By SS109:
For being a bunch of druggies, they can be quite smart.

One more reason to legalize. I saw that Mexico is changing their laws. Possesion will only result in jail time after your 3rd bust.

Well, they have tightened down on pseudoephedrine in Mexico and most other countries.

I guess if we cannot enforce speed limits, they should too be eliminated.

Same with tax evasion.

Sounds like mob rule. See the effects of opium in China. That was the start of our drug laws.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:32:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By 556A2:
Another complete failure of the "War on Drugs".


Hardly...

It's a wonderful sucess story, so long as the only folks hurt are the retards who use...

Darwin Award goes to... Mr Roll-your-own-Meth User!


Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:36:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By Valkyrie:
It really sux when you are stuffed up and miserable with a headache and fever to have to jump thru hoops at the counterperson to get a simple pack of cold medicine..


Just cough and leave a big pile of snorted up phlegm on the counter for each 30 seconds they make you wait.

Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:38:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By SS109:
For being a bunch of druggies, they can be quite smart.

One more reason to legalize. I saw that Mexico is changing their laws. Possesion will only result in jail time after your 3rd bust.

There are absolutely NO good reasons to legalize meth...

NONE.

No matter what you do, meth-heads will still be dysfunctional, criminal freaks...

They will still disassemble your car in the parking lot, or strip the copper wire out of houses to buy meth, weather they are buying it from Walgreens, from a corner dealer, or mixing it in what amounts to a super-duper MRE-bomb...

The best thing we can hope for, with Meth, actually is this 'soda bottle' shit - the more users blow themselves up, the better....


Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:39:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By America-first:
A new method that makes it easier for the meth heads to set themselves on fire.

I'm all for it.

Wow, I actually agree with you about something...


Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:40:31 PM EST
fuck where in the hell do these retards get these ideas from, jeebus!
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:41:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By 556A2:
Another complete failure of the "War on Drugs".


Hardly...

It's a wonderful sucess story, so long as the only folks hurt are the retards who use...

Darwin Award goes to... Mr Roll-your-own-Meth User!




Fantastic. Until their tweaking ass catches fire at 70 on the freeway and kicks off a 20 car pileup.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:43:17 PM EST
SHAKE AND BAKE!!!!!!!!!



Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:45:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By America-first:
A new method that makes it easier for the meth heads to set themselves on fire.

I'm all for it.

Wow, I actually agree with you about something...





one of you should be worried
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:46:02 PM EST
Great. Just what the world needed. More meth heads.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:49:59 PM EST
Considering the current regime the .gov will probably have training classes on how to make the stuff safely so that meth makers won't get hurt.

We can appoint a special Meth Czar to make it happen.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:50:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2009 7:50:45 PM EST by Mateba]
Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:
"If there is any oxygen at all in the bottle, it has a propensity to make a giant fireball," said Sgt. Jason Clark of the Missouri State Highway Patrol's Divisionof Drug and Crime Control. "You're not dealing with rocket scientistshere anyway. If they get unlucky at all, it can have a very devastatingreaction."

[div]One little mistake, such as unscrewing the bottle cap too fast, can result in a huge blast, and police in Alabama, Oklahoma and other states have linked dozens of flash fires this year — some of them fatal — to meth manufacturing

Sounds like a problem that solves itself
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:55:06 PM EST
We spend billions and what do we get???

stronger pot and a quicker crank recipe.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 7:58:47 PM EST
Originally Posted By America-first:
A new method that makes it easier for the meth heads to set themselves on fire.

I'm all for it.


Win.

Hope it's REAL easy to fuck up the batch and it kills the users slowly.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 8:03:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By Valkyrie:
It really sux when you are stuffed up and miserable with a headache and fever to have to jump thru hoops at the counterperson to get a simple pack of cold medicine..

It's not any worse that checking in for a flight
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 8:04:02 PM EST
that really sucks, shit i can't buy the shit past 9pm as it is, hate the flu.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 8:16:26 PM EST
I've always wondered how a few packs of poison put into cocaine or heroin clandestinely would clean up the addict population.

Link Posted: 8/24/2009 8:27:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By Gravity_Tester:
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By 556A2:
Another complete failure of the "War on Drugs".


Hardly...

It's a wonderful sucess story, so long as the only folks hurt are the retards who use...

Darwin Award goes to... Mr Roll-your-own-Meth User!




Fantastic. Until their tweaking ass catches fire at 70 on the freeway and kicks off a 20 car pileup.

Like I said, it's great unless someone else gets hurt...

However, due to the ability to cause further damage, and the HUGE amount of meth-use-inspired crime (not meth-dealing inspired crime, but simple use-inspired crime) it should remain illegal...

I am NOT a pro-doper kind of guy...
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 8:28:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By sawgunner0311:
fuck where in the hell do these retards get these ideas from, jeebus!

From the same place where 'stealing copper wire and catelytic converters' starts to sound like a good day job...

Which would be... Smoking meth....
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 8:29:23 PM EST
List of ingredients?

Link Posted: 8/24/2009 8:35:52 PM EST
Yep, victory in the War On Drugs is just around the corner.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 8:42:39 PM EST
Ironically, prescription meth was #23 among most sold legal drugs last year.

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/medicine/prescription-drug-sales.htm
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 8:46:28 PM EST
Anyone wanna bet that the government's response to finding out their drug laws don't even slow down the meth cookers will be to pass more laws that make it impossible for us to buy shit, but still won't do squat to stop the druggies?
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 9:04:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Anyone wanna bet that the government's response to finding out their drug laws don't even slow down the meth cookers will be to pass more laws that make it impossible for us to buy shit, but still won't do squat to stop the druggies?


I've heard this theory before for some other object and I just can't quite place where I've seen it.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 9:11:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2009 9:12:33 PM EST by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By Bakelite47:
Ironically, prescription meth was #23 among most sold legal drugs last year.

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/medicine/prescription-drug-sales.htm

Dextroamphetamine <> Methamphetamine

Same family, different drug...

MDMA (X) is also an 'amphetamine' drug, but it's different from 'Meth' as well...

Meth *did* get started in the US as a legal perscription, before it's 'side effects' were well known...

It's still available to be perscribed (Meth is a Sched 2 drug) under TIGHTLY controlled circumstances because of this...


Link Posted: 8/24/2009 9:13:59 PM EST
It's weird seeing 10 year old kids being prescribed amphetemines for ADD but it's common.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 9:27:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Bakelite47:
Ironically, prescription meth was #23 among most sold legal drugs last year.

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/medicine/prescription-drug-sales.htm

Dextroamphetamine <> Methamphetamine

Same family, different drug...

MDMA (X) is also an 'amphetamine' drug, but it's different from 'Meth' as well...

Meth *did* get started in the US as a legal perscription, before it's 'side effects' were well known...

It's still available to be perscribed (Meth is a Sched 2 drug) under TIGHTLY controlled circumstances because of this...




True, but meth and adderall are very similar. Both are powerful stimulants with addictive properties. Adderall, however, is given in low doses. Meth users generally shoot up a much larger quantity to get high.

Desoxyn is a perscription that is literally pure meth.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out that many of the drugs that people use to get high, such as meth and herion, are used by millions of people today as prescription drugs.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 9:46:08 PM EST
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Fuck. Now they are going to ban instant cold packs.

Anyone making their own reactive targets will also be suspect.



Pre-ban cold packs?
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 9:49:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By SS109:
For being a bunch of druggies, they can be quite smart.

One more reason to legalize. I saw that Mexico is changing their laws. Possesion will only result in jail time after your 3rd bust.

There are absolutely NO good reasons to legalize meth...

NONE.

No matter what you do, meth-heads will still be dysfunctional, criminal freaks...

They will still disassemble your car in the parking lot, or strip the copper wire out of houses to buy meth, weather they are buying it from Walgreens, from a corner dealer, or mixing it in what amounts to a super-duper MRE-bomb...

The best thing we can hope for, with Meth, actually is this 'soda bottle' shit - the more users blow themselves up, the better....




If we're going to hope they kill themselves off, why not just do it for them? I would be all for legalizing meth if it was also legal to blow away any meth zombies trying to steal your things. We would get rid of them quicker that way.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 9:49:40 PM EST
Shake & Bake is hardly a "new" process.
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