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Posted: 6/5/2009 6:48:19 PM EDT
Any one have any suggestions on how to Defeat or evade FLIR Camera mounted on aircraft ?
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 6:50:37 PM EDT
I just figure it this way if they only have one chopper they can only look at a little bit of the woods at one time, be somewhere else and you win
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 6:51:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Calgunner:
Any one have any suggestions on how to Defeat or evade FLIR Camera mounted on aircraft ?



Yeah, be dead so you don't give off a heat signature.

What kind of question is that?

pato
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 6:51:33 PM EDT
The training film "predator" is your best bet. Study up.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 6:52:10 PM EDT
cover yourself in mud.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 6:53:11 PM EDT
Magnesium flares.......































Lots of Magnesium flares.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 6:53:12 PM EDT
Dont Harvest at night
Thats how you beat FLIR
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 6:53:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 6:54:18 PM EDT by Matt_The_Hokie]
AA system or MANPAD???

cuz otherwise the eye in the sky will catch you. Either dont be there or poke that eye out.


I do not support the above acts.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 6:53:43 PM EDT
Crowds
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 6:54:00 PM EDT
Shoot the aircraft down.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 6:54:43 PM EDT
Given what little I know, it is very difficult to impossible. You either glow from your body heat, or you're so successful at hiding your heat signature that you become a rather conspicuous black hole. Your best options are either being somewhere else, or taking out the helo. The latter is likely to be more trouble than it is worth, and you'll find that you get more helos, with better armament soon after I think.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 6:55:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 7:01:57 PM EDT by Sleepy1988]
Convert AKMs/AR15s to full auto.
Arm friends with them.
Shoot @ helicopter.
??????
Prophet!

Edit:I felt this was semi-related.

Get one, err, two of these
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 6:56:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 6:57:51 PM EDT
Get yourself either underground or to an area that exactly matches your body temperature.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 6:59:33 PM EDT
matches and gasoline during drought season in yosemite..
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:01:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hobbsar:
Get yourself either underground or to an area that exactly matches your body temperature.


Logical yet simple (I Like)
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:02:27 PM EDT
be inside a building, and hope it didnt catch you going in...


and underground tunnles
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:02:49 PM EDT
space blanket
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:03:21 PM EDT
be around other people it cant tell you apart
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:04:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 7:04:39 PM EDT by Southrnshooter]
Originally Posted By Renegade13B:
be inside a building, and hope it didnt catch you going in...


and underground tunnels



Winner right here...
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:04:47 PM EDT
How far underground?

Just trying to plan my SHTF "storm shelter", don't want the, um, FLIR-equipped tornadoes finding me...
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:05:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sleepy1988:
Convert AKMs/AR15s to full auto.
Arm friends with them.
Shoot @ helicopter.
??????
Prophet!


Edit:I felt this was semi-related.

Get one, err, two of these




LAWL!!!
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:05:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 7:11:18 PM EDT by gaspain]
glass

eta: and plexi and water mist
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:05:21 PM EDT
Fire up the portable generator and aim the 10 watt 800nm laser at the chopper. (I'm guessing that rules go out the window if you're being hunted).
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:06:54 PM EDT
Black and white polyethylene will work, it's black on one side and white on the other.. Also some stuff called panda film. Pot growers use it to hide the infrared signature of their grow ops, don't ask how I know....
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:07:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BUDUKO:
Originally Posted By Sleepy1988:
Convert AKMs/AR15s to full auto.
Arm friends with them.
Shoot @ helicopter.
??????
Prophet!


Edit:I felt this was semi-related.

Get one, err, two of these




LAWL!!!

A shield made out of a Dump truck windshield ?
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:08:10 PM EDT
Create a shelter made out of space blankets under the ground, but atleast cover yourself with a blanket or two until threat is gone, but if you are chased and have flir after you, very little chance of escaping.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:09:09 PM EDT
IR laser, and dazzle it?

Depending on the aircraft, a stinger would do the trick. If it's a piston that a stinger couldn't lock onto, a dual Bofors 40mm with proximity fused shells should do the trick.

A space suit should do it, as well.

Get underneath a hay loft? As long as they don't see you go in...

Caves.

Parking garages.

The middle of a forest fire.

The crater of an active volcano.

Skinny dipping in Yellowstone.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:09:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 7:11:45 PM EDT by jaqufrost]
I would say get at least 10ft below ground.

A good FLIR operator can find you through the walls in a house. Their was a pretty good thread on it about a year ago, some really nice pics looking at a house and seeing alot of the stuff inside.

A well thats 30-40 ft deep with a nice area to lounge around in at the bottom might work.


ETA: theirs a big difference between military grade FLIR and what most LE has. If the military is after you your in big trouble and no amount of space blankets will help. If its LE with a 10 year old FLIR camera then maybe you would have a chance.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:09:47 PM EDT
This inside out.



JK. Glass is correct IIRC.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:12:16 PM EDT
even if you somehow manage to shield your thermal signature (unlikely) the heat signature given off from the shielding material still wont be the same as the rest of the environment around it so it will stand out like a sore thumb. getting underground or inside a thick walled building is your only chance.

this from a pretty solid thermal user. flir, abrams/bradley TIS, and pas-13.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:13:11 PM EDT
Im going with Stinger missile too.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:13:31 PM EDT
Dive under water.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:14:51 PM EDT
Multiple CoC #4
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:15:04 PM EDT
Operate in IFR weather. Good luck.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:15:08 PM EDT
Aim for roof of mouth, wait 24 hours.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:17:01 PM EDT
Foil lined armadillo helmet.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:17:01 PM EDT


Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:17:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 7:18:03 PM EDT by AngeredKabar]
Hide in a pot field.

ETA:

Link

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15239501/
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:17:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 7:18:38 PM EDT by Calgunner]
Originally Posted By daemon734:
even if you somehow manage to shield your thermal signature (unlikely) the heat signature given off from the shielding material still wont be the same as the rest of the environment around it so it will stand out like a sore thumb. getting underground or inside a thick walled building is your only chance.

this from a pretty solid thermal user. flir, abrams/bradley TIS, and pas-13.


If the environment is rich with signitures that are close replicas of or exact copies of a potential heat signature target and are widely dispersed then unless Helo lands and investigates or has Ground forces to call in you could be safe (For a time) if it's just Leo and not an Attack helo ?
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:19:06 PM EDT
IBTL on CoC #4
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:22:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CWO:
Multiple CoC #4


It's not illegal to regulate your body temperature...
























yet.

Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:23:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Shooter42:
IBTL on CoC #4


Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:23:46 PM EDT
Tinfoil, lots and lots of tinfoil,

and don't forget to get some to cover your head.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:23:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Shooter42:
IBTL on CoC #4


Why IBFL l (THERE IS NO RACISM here in this thread lol ...
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:26:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Calgunner:
Originally Posted By daemon734:
even if you somehow manage to shield your thermal signature (unlikely) the heat signature given off from the shielding material still wont be the same as the rest of the environment around it so it will stand out like a sore thumb. getting underground or inside a thick walled building is your only chance.

this from a pretty solid thermal user. flir, abrams/bradley TIS, and pas-13.


If the environment is rich with signitures that are close replicas of or exact copies of a potential heat signature target and are widely dispersed then unless Helo lands and investigates or has Ground forces to call in you could be safe (For a time) if it's just Leo and not an Attack helo ?


it will never be the same temperature as the surrounding area. especially anything made of a material that is capable of shielding your own body heat.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:28:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC:
Originally Posted By Shooter42:
IBTL on CoC #4




I see more advocating of illegal activities in a marijuana thread...
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:31:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AngeredKabar:
Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC:
Originally Posted By Shooter42:
IBTL on CoC #4




I see more advocating of illegal activities in a marijuana thread...




im just waiting for the dumbasses to start sending me PM's claiming OPSECS BREACHES!!!111!!! for saying it cant be done.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:32:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 7:33:18 PM EDT by Calgunner]
Originally Posted By daemon734:
Originally Posted By Calgunner:
Originally Posted By daemon734:
even if you somehow manage to shield your thermal signature (unlikely) the heat signature given off from the shielding material still wont be the same as the rest of the environment around it so it will stand out like a sore thumb. getting underground or inside a thick walled building is your only chance.

this from a pretty solid thermal user. flir, abrams/bradley TIS, and pas-13.


If the environment is rich with signitures that are close replicas of or exact copies of a potential heat signature target and are widely dispersed then unless Helo lands and investigates or has Ground forces to call in you could be safe (For a time) if it's just Leo and not an Attack helo ?


it will never be the same temperature as the surrounding area. especially anything made of a material that is capable of shielding your own body heat.


If there are 74 potential targets and 26 of them look identacle with another 18 targets looking a little wierd but all simular as far as you can tell before somthing else (otherr than me catches your eye and distracts you for a second before you re-focus on the original 74 signitures and start over again ...
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:33:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 8:08:30 PM EDT by DnPRK]
DIRCM, ALQ-144, ALQ-157
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:34:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By daemon734:
Originally Posted By AngeredKabar:
Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC:
Originally Posted By Shooter42:
IBTL on CoC #4




I see more advocating of illegal activities in a marijuana thread...




im just waiting for the dumbasses to start sending me PM's claiming OPSECS BREACHES!!!111!!! for saying it cant be done.


OPSEC is getting a little stoopid around here lately.

Shit that has been on here before, on the MSN, in unclassified technical documents that have been around since the beginning of the Internets, etc.

If there really is a person or a group of people with malevolent intent lurking here for strategies, they aren't trying hard enough.
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