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Posted: 6/5/2009 10:48:19 PM
Any one have any suggestions on how to Defeat or evade FLIR Camera mounted on aircraft ?
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Posted: 6/5/2009 10:50:37 PM
I just figure it this way if they only have one chopper they can only look at a little bit of the woods at one time, be somewhere else and you win
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Posted: 6/5/2009 10:51:19 PM
Originally Posted By Calgunner:
Any one have any suggestions on how to Defeat or evade FLIR Camera mounted on aircraft ?



Yeah, be dead so you don't give off a heat signature.

What kind of question is that?

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Posted: 6/5/2009 10:51:33 PM
The training film "predator" is your best bet. Study up.

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Posted: 6/5/2009 10:52:10 PM
cover yourself in mud.
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Posted: 6/5/2009 10:53:11 PM
Magnesium flares.......































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Posted: 6/5/2009 10:53:12 PM
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Posted: 6/5/2009 10:53:14 PM
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AA system or MANPAD???

cuz otherwise the eye in the sky will catch you. Either dont be there or poke that eye out.


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Posted: 6/5/2009 10:54:00 PM
Shoot the aircraft down.
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Posted: 6/5/2009 10:54:43 PM
Given what little I know, it is very difficult to impossible. You either glow from your body heat, or you're so successful at hiding your heat signature that you become a rather conspicuous black hole. Your best options are either being somewhere else, or taking out the helo. The latter is likely to be more trouble than it is worth, and you'll find that you get more helos, with better armament soon after I think.
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Posted: 6/5/2009 10:55:26 PM
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Convert AKMs/AR15s to full auto.
Arm friends with them.
Shoot @ helicopter.
??????
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Edit:I felt this was semi-related.

Get one, err, two of these
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Posted: 6/5/2009 10:56:11 PM
Don't do anything stupid to get chased by FLIR equipped helo's? I'm just guessing.
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Posted: 6/5/2009 10:57:51 PM
Get yourself either underground or to an area that exactly matches your body temperature.
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:01:02 PM
Originally Posted By hobbsar:
Get yourself either underground or to an area that exactly matches your body temperature.


Logical yet simple (I Like)
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:02:27 PM
be inside a building, and hope it didnt catch you going in...


and underground tunnles
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be around other people it cant tell you apart
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:04:21 PM
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Originally Posted By Renegade13B:
be inside a building, and hope it didnt catch you going in...


and underground tunnels



Winner right here...
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:04:47 PM
How far underground?

Just trying to plan my SHTF "storm shelter", don't want the, um, FLIR-equipped tornadoes finding me...
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:05:09 PM
Originally Posted By Sleepy1988:
Convert AKMs/AR15s to full auto.
Arm friends with them.
Shoot @ helicopter.
??????
Prophet!


Edit:I felt this was semi-related.

Get one, err, two of these




LAWL!!!
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:05:20 PM
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:05:21 PM
Fire up the portable generator and aim the 10 watt 800nm laser at the chopper. (I'm guessing that rules go out the window if you're being hunted).
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:06:54 PM
Black and white polyethylene will work, it's black on one side and white on the other.. Also some stuff called panda film. Pot growers use it to hide the infrared signature of their grow ops, don't ask how I know....
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:07:49 PM
Originally Posted By BUDUKO:
Originally Posted By Sleepy1988:
Convert AKMs/AR15s to full auto.
Arm friends with them.
Shoot @ helicopter.
??????
Prophet!


Edit:I felt this was semi-related.

Get one, err, two of these




LAWL!!!

A shield made out of a Dump truck windshield ?
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:08:10 PM
Create a shelter made out of space blankets under the ground, but atleast cover yourself with a blanket or two until threat is gone, but if you are chased and have flir after you, very little chance of escaping.
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:09:09 PM
IR laser, and dazzle it?

Depending on the aircraft, a stinger would do the trick. If it's a piston that a stinger couldn't lock onto, a dual Bofors 40mm with proximity fused shells should do the trick.

A space suit should do it, as well.

Get underneath a hay loft? As long as they don't see you go in...

Caves.

Parking garages.

The middle of a forest fire.

The crater of an active volcano.

Skinny dipping in Yellowstone.
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:09:19 PM
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I would say get at least 10ft below ground.

A good FLIR operator can find you through the walls in a house. Their was a pretty good thread on it about a year ago, some really nice pics looking at a house and seeing alot of the stuff inside.

A well thats 30-40 ft deep with a nice area to lounge around in at the bottom might work.


ETA: theirs a big difference between military grade FLIR and what most LE has. If the military is after you your in big trouble and no amount of space blankets will help. If its LE with a 10 year old FLIR camera then maybe you would have a chance.
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:12:16 PM
even if you somehow manage to shield your thermal signature (unlikely) the heat signature given off from the shielding material still wont be the same as the rest of the environment around it so it will stand out like a sore thumb. getting underground or inside a thick walled building is your only chance.

this from a pretty solid thermal user. flir, abrams/bradley TIS, and pas-13.
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:13:11 PM
Im going with Stinger missile too.
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Operate in IFR weather. Good luck.
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Aim for roof of mouth, wait 24 hours.
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Originally Posted By daemon734:
even if you somehow manage to shield your thermal signature (unlikely) the heat signature given off from the shielding material still wont be the same as the rest of the environment around it so it will stand out like a sore thumb. getting underground or inside a thick walled building is your only chance.

this from a pretty solid thermal user. flir, abrams/bradley TIS, and pas-13.


If the environment is rich with signitures that are close replicas of or exact copies of a potential heat signature target and are widely dispersed then unless Helo lands and investigates or has Ground forces to call in you could be safe (For a time) if it's just Leo and not an Attack helo ?
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:19:06 PM
IBTL on CoC #4
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It's not illegal to regulate your body temperature...
























yet.

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IBTL on CoC #4


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IBTL on CoC #4


Why IBFL l (THERE IS NO RACISM here in this thread lol ...
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:26:02 PM
Originally Posted By Calgunner:
Originally Posted By daemon734:
even if you somehow manage to shield your thermal signature (unlikely) the heat signature given off from the shielding material still wont be the same as the rest of the environment around it so it will stand out like a sore thumb. getting underground or inside a thick walled building is your only chance.

this from a pretty solid thermal user. flir, abrams/bradley TIS, and pas-13.


If the environment is rich with signitures that are close replicas of or exact copies of a potential heat signature target and are widely dispersed then unless Helo lands and investigates or has Ground forces to call in you could be safe (For a time) if it's just Leo and not an Attack helo ?


it will never be the same temperature as the surrounding area. especially anything made of a material that is capable of shielding your own body heat.
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:28:48 PM
Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC:
Originally Posted By Shooter42:
IBTL on CoC #4




I see more advocating of illegal activities in a marijuana thread...
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:31:07 PM
Originally Posted By AngeredKabar:
Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC:
Originally Posted By Shooter42:
IBTL on CoC #4




I see more advocating of illegal activities in a marijuana thread...




im just waiting for the dumbasses to start sending me PM's claiming OPSECS BREACHES!!!111!!! for saying it cant be done.
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Originally Posted By daemon734:
Originally Posted By Calgunner:
Originally Posted By daemon734:
even if you somehow manage to shield your thermal signature (unlikely) the heat signature given off from the shielding material still wont be the same as the rest of the environment around it so it will stand out like a sore thumb. getting underground or inside a thick walled building is your only chance.

this from a pretty solid thermal user. flir, abrams/bradley TIS, and pas-13.


If the environment is rich with signitures that are close replicas of or exact copies of a potential heat signature target and are widely dispersed then unless Helo lands and investigates or has Ground forces to call in you could be safe (For a time) if it's just Leo and not an Attack helo ?


it will never be the same temperature as the surrounding area. especially anything made of a material that is capable of shielding your own body heat.


If there are 74 potential targets and 26 of them look identacle with another 18 targets looking a little wierd but all simular as far as you can tell before somthing else (otherr than me catches your eye and distracts you for a second before you re-focus on the original 74 signitures and start over again ...
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Originally Posted By daemon734:
Originally Posted By AngeredKabar:
Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC:
Originally Posted By Shooter42:
IBTL on CoC #4




I see more advocating of illegal activities in a marijuana thread...




im just waiting for the dumbasses to start sending me PM's claiming OPSECS BREACHES!!!111!!! for saying it cant be done.


OPSEC is getting a little stoopid around here lately.

Shit that has been on here before, on the MSN, in unclassified technical documents that have been around since the beginning of the Internets, etc.

If there really is a person or a group of people with malevolent intent lurking here for strategies, they aren't trying hard enough.
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