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Posted: 3/17/2009 12:47:55 AM
[Last Edit: 3/17/2009 11:38:30 PM by SenorTreinteOcho]
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT The Sportsman Warehouse in my town is going out of business so I'm going to build it tomorrow. I'd like to make a small one for a BOB and a big one for general purpose. Any tips on making and using a trot line? |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 12:52:46 AM
Watch out for snakes that might get snaged on it after eating a small fish.
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Posted: 3/17/2009 1:04:15 AM
[Last Edit: 3/17/2009 1:05:29 AM by Maynard]
Originally Posted By SenorTreinteOcho: I'm going to the lake this weekend to go fishing. While there I'm going to test a trot line I'm going to build. The Sportsman Warehouse in my town is going out of business so I'm going to build it tomorrow. I'd like to make a small one for a BOB and a big one for general purpose. Any tips on making and using a trot line? What kind of fish are you going after? I assume it's river fishing and you're fishing for catfish? We used liver as it's tough and hard for the fish to steal off the hook, catfish are bottom feeders so on the lines you want them just above the bottom. We also used a bell on the trot line to let us know when we had a fish on or a big snapping turtle. ![]() Are trot lines legal in NM? ETA: Wow, I need to read the post first. ![]() |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 1:16:11 AM
Decoy anchors for weights, quart oil bottles for floats. I tied/pinched on swivels every couple of feet and used dropper lines with snap swivels. That way we could bait a new set of hooks onshore, and when we went to run the lines, just unsnap a fish or an empty, and snap on a new baited hook. Beat the hell out of fighting wind and current and maybe a motor with a crawler, leach, or piece of liver in one hand and a hook in the other. Spaced floats and or weights every ten hooks or so as needed. If your state requires labeling the oil bottles are easy to write on. You can use this rig in a backwater, a reservoir or a river. Even drag it out and drop it so it works down a drop off.
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Posted: 3/17/2009 1:16:56 AM
From every thing I've read on the trot lines are legal in NM. I will check when I get my license.
In NM each person with you can have one trot line with 25 hooks. The line just has to have your name and fishing license number on them. How long and how many hooks do you put on your lines? |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 5:43:51 AM
[Last Edit: 3/17/2009 5:44:29 AM by SenorTreinteOcho]
I just went to walmart and made a 75' 22 hook trotline.
Now i just need to figure out how to make my weight rig. I'm thinking a sand filled milk jug in the middle and on the end. Something like this very bad ms paint. ![]() |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 5:48:21 AM
I've used a trot line for crabbing, but not for fishing. Then again, I guess there aren't too many crabs in New Mexico.
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Posted: 3/17/2009 6:58:34 AM
I prefer the ones that go all the way across and anchor to another tree. Thats how they do it back home anyways. I would not use liver as it falls off to easy. We used to use chicken skins, gizzards, fish, etc.
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Posted: 3/17/2009 9:14:19 AM
I was in Texas back in the 70's and a guy there had a long rubber tubing of some sort. He'd take the trot line out in his boat and set it. Back on shore he'd tie the end to a stick he stuck in the ground. When he wanted to check his line he'd just pull it in, take the fish off the line, rebait and let the rubber tubing pull it back out.
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Posted: 3/17/2009 9:19:56 AM
Make sure you have a dip net to get the fish in the boat. A big fish can get off if you don't have one.
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Posted: 3/17/2009 9:24:04 AM
I always had better luck running juglines with live bait instead. I always catch too many turtles on fixed trotlines. Look at using a perch trap for live bait.
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Posted: 3/17/2009 9:31:41 AM
fished with a trotline last weekend and caught a bunch of catfish. But two things dont do it drunk or it becomes a big ole presidental mess, and when you store it make shure its put up real neat as to not tangle everything. Aside from that have fun and dont catch them all
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Posted: 3/17/2009 9:36:43 AM
not sure if you can get a hook called a circle hook small enough for your use , might want to cheek and see as they hold the fish better, we used to run 20,000 to 25,000 hooks a day when I fished for cod, there was a hook every 42 inches
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Posted: 3/17/2009 9:51:37 AM
Originally Posted By 15jonshoot:
I was in Texas back in the 70's and a guy there had a long rubber tubing of some sort. He'd take the trot line out in his boat and set it. Back on shore he'd tie the end to a stick he stuck in the ground. When he wanted to check his line he'd just pull it in, take the fish off the line, rebait and let the rubber tubing pull it back out. We used one like that off the end of a dock at Lake Tawakoni. One night we got a big flathead after baiting up with some live bluegill. |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 4:50:24 PM
[Last Edit: 3/17/2009 4:50:57 PM by SenorTreinteOcho]
So here's the one I made last night. I plan on making another one with a larger line tonight.
This one would be a good size for a BOB if I cut it in half and wrapped it neatly around the spool. Let me know what you think. Swivels off the mail line.
With a leader attached. I've only made one of these so if you have Ideas for improvements I'm all ears.
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Posted: 3/17/2009 4:54:36 PM
Originally Posted By angus6:
not sure if you can get a hook called a circle hook small enough for your use , might want to cheek and see as they hold the fish better, we used to run 20,000 to 25,000 hooks a day when I fished for cod, there was a hook every 42 inches You can get circles down to very small sizes. They work well and help keep the fish killin down on the releasee's. For Catfish I wouldn't use anything too small however, 1/0 or so. |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 5:04:25 PM
This is one area where I can actually post from experience.
First, building GOOD trotlines by hand is hard. Building functional ones for short-term use is easy - you can do it from the boat, with a ball of twine, tying a loop every 6' and adding a hook while another guy baits them, but building good ones is hard, so I've always went with store-bought ones, I can't remember the brand, but wal-mart used to sell some pretty good ones. The ones I liked the most had drops every 6' or so, andn the drop material was a small tarred twine. The main line was some sort of rot-proof nylon, with swivels for the drops (swivels are important!). In large lakes, I don't bottom-fish - I suspend mine (using floats and weights) about 6' deep. To keep the depth consistent, you have to keep the lines TIGHT. My best results came from shallow water in mid-lake (hills or points that extended into the lake, especially shallow flats where big blues would come feed at night). You will catch more blues at night than daytime, and you'll catch more suspended than you will on the bottom. I used concrete blocks for weights, bleach or detergent or coke bottles for floats. Bait depends - if you want a mess of channel cats for eating, nightcrawlers work fine. For blues, use minnows - or just get both and alternate baits between hooks. Big cats seem to bite best in HOT weather - I never had much success this time of year, of course, it's probably warmer where you're at than it is here. If the lake has a reputation for flatheads, put your lines near stump fields or snags, and use live bait. Flatheads will roam pretty shallow at night - maybe 2' or less of water, so you can't really trotline for them that shallow. |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 5:08:41 PM
Other things:
Forget using anything but circle hooks. If you actually want to catch big fish, don't bother with anythingless than 3/0 hooks. It's AMAZING how your catch rate goes up with circle hooks. I use eagle claw saltwater hooks - don't remember the #. Get a dip net. It's much simpler to net a fish than to lose it trying to get it in the boat by hand. And on lakes where there's a lot of recreational boating, either pull your lines at daybreak or expect them to get cut a lot by speedboats if you're suspending them, unless they're perfectly tight. From a safety standpoint, it's best to just pull them during the day, or sink them. Oh, and try to run your lines right at daybreak - catfish are generally calmer in darkness. I've seen huge fish swim right into a net at night, and I've seen them go insane when pulled into sunlight. |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 5:09:47 PM
Something else - if your hooks are closer than 6' to 8' apart, you're wasting bait.
And at the end of the day, jugs are more fun and easier to fish with; you just need 2 people unless you're a really good 1-handed boat driver. |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 5:17:17 PM
[Last Edit: 3/17/2009 5:20:18 PM by SenorTreinteOcho]
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Something else - if your hooks are closer than 6' to 8' apart, you're wasting bait. And at the end of the day, jugs are more fun and easier to fish with; you just need 2 people unless you're a really good 1-handed boat driver. Wow, thanks for all that good info. Jugs are illegal here so we had to go with the trot line. I'm not exactly sure what a circle hook is. I know it's a noob question but I'm not really a fisherman. I'm really excited to get out there. I don't know if I can wait for the weekend I may have to go tomorrow. ETA: feel free to critique the one posted above. |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 5:25:42 PM
Here's an example of a circle hook:
http://www.psfish.net/product.sc;jsessionid=4274C0629DE36BE2D40ECF3CD14B5A9F.qscstrfrnt04?productId=4335 Here's some more: http://fishlazer.com/products/hooks.php?styleID=5&styleName=Circle |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 5:36:48 PM
Critique of your line:
The knots will work, but a big fish will stretch the line, tighten the knot, and the swivel *may* pop over and tangle with the next hook. A big ball of melted plastic works better - which is why I like store-bought lines. You need to use something other than monofilament for your droplines. It'll work fine for now, but in the future, get some tarred twine, 80# or larger. It's more abrasion-resistant, generally. Use barrel swivels next time instead of snap swivels. Snaps can pull loose - I've seen big fish do it. And for the next line, don't put your drops so close together. I've ran lines that were 600' or longer even in relatively small lakes. ––––––––––––––- In large lakes, there may be a bit of current - you want to go to upstream of your fishing location and drift across it as you set your lines; make SURE you have a HEAVY weight at the upper end, or you'll drag it and hang it while you're putting it out. Anything works - concrete, lead, steel - old pieces of I-beam work great. Use the biggest thing you can handle. When you run your lines, stop your engine at one end, RAISE THE MOTOR and let the current drift you down the line. You'll need to get used to handling the lines or you'll end up with hooks in your hands, I promise you. This is triple-important in rivers. If you try to use the motor while checking lines, you'll have to swim at night while unwrapping your trotline out of your motor's lower unit, eventually. Don't carry anything in the boat you don't need - something to store the line (a cooler with a tie-down strap stretched across the top works - just dump the line in the bottom, hooking each hook onto the tiedown as you come to it - but DON'T turn the cooler upside down!) and something to store bait, something to store fish, a net, and a paddle, plus basic emergency tools and snacks. Keep everything possible in the bottom of the boat, not up on deck. Anything else will eventually get snagged on a hook and pulled overboard, usually at 2 AM while you're in heavy current and have a huge blue 20' away splashing around while you try to re-bait another hook. Oh - and there are few things more peaceful than running wide-open across a lake at night with no light but your boat's running lights. At the same time, few things suck harder than wobbling back home because you hit a stump you'd forgot about because you didn't scout the area before fishing at night and your propeller is bent up. |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 5:57:39 PM
More:
Don't tie lines directly to your jugs or weights. Tie a loop in your line ends, and run it through the jug handle (Tide detergent bottles work great, even better with a strip of reflective tape on them so you can find them in the middle of the lake at night), then pull the line itself through the loop to form a larger loop, and loop it over the jug itself. make SURE your knot is good, and the loop will work great and you will be able to quick-release the jug for storage. If your knot doesn't hold, you lose the line. Don't tie your weights directly to the line either; a heavy snap (not a little swivel, but a large snap) works fine, or you can tie your weights on a drop and make a loop at the other end of the dropline; you can then attach the weight to the line using the same loop-through-a-loop process you use for jugs. Next: Don't tie your floats directly to your weights. first time you do that, you'll drop a weight into 12' of water with a 6' line on your jug. Poof! No more jug. That's a good reason to always put a jug on each end of the line - it's not necessary, but if you lose a jug, you can still recover the line, or if the current reverses (I've seen this when dams stop generating or the wind shifts) you can run the lines backwards. If the water you're in is never more than 10' deep, tie your jug line 10' from the weight (or more). I'll make a MS paint diagram in a minute.... Here: The red dots represent weights, jugs, and coke bottles to hold the line at a consistent depth. They're not absolutely necessary.
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Posted: 3/17/2009 6:30:31 PM
If you dont know how to deploy and retrieve a trotline , or have never been taught you will drown your ass.
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Posted: 3/17/2009 8:57:56 PM
As a kid I used to go trot line fishing with my grandpa in Oklahoma. He used to string a line across one of the many fingers of a local lake attached to trees on each side. He used to buy BIG crawfish for bait and used pretty big hooks but he primarily was fishing for BIG catfish... and was usually very successful. Some of the biggest catfish I've ever seen were pulled in off of his trotline. A couple almost pulled us out of the boat wrestling them into his boat.
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Posted: 3/17/2009 9:23:43 PM
We went to SW today and got some floats and circle hooks.
I'll get some pics up in a while with the improved setup. |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 9:47:49 PM
Good luck with it. I used to try and run them (along with limb lines and jugs) here, but the river rats are too thick. They will check your lines for you, and cut the cats off and leave you with the drum, snakes, and turtles. Either that, or they'll just steal the whole rig. I fucking hate people.
I'd love to run a trotline on bigger water. Just not worth the trouble here. |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 11:34:51 PM
Here's my setup so far.
This will hold the hooks and bait as I go down the line.
A few drop lines. These hook are about two feet apart for 30' and five feet apart for the last 40'.
Floats for the end of the line.
These can also be used as anchors I hope but I'll bring extra weight. I got these these today they should be easy to write on the necessary info.
The leaders have easy removal hooks and pretty big circle hooks.
Let me know what you think. Suggestions are welcome. I only made seven in case I need to change my design. |
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Posted: 3/18/2009 12:07:49 AM
They work pretty well for us. We usually run them from a boat tied between two stumps/trees across the river.
But watch out for these razor toothed bastards. ![]() |
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Posted: 3/18/2009 12:12:39 AM
Originally Posted By jmhat98:
They work pretty well for us. We usually run them from a boat tied between two stumps/trees across the river. But watch out for these razor toothed bastards. http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb293/jmhat98/100_1023.jpg off with it's head.....i hate Gar |
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Posted: 3/18/2009 12:17:35 AM
We limb line here on the river. Just tie a lead to a limb sticking out of the bank with a small bream on a weight and #2 hook. Also put something reflective on the lines we put out. Looks like a runway at night. Caught a 62 pound cat doing this last year. Loads of fun. Watch out for gators!
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Posted: 3/18/2009 12:47:17 AM
Originally Posted By georgiarebel6165:
We limb line here on the river. Just tie a lead to a limb sticking out of the bank with a small bream on a weight and #2 hook. Also put something reflective on the lines we put out. Looks like a runway at night. Caught a 62 pound cat doing this last year. Loads of fun. Watch out for gators! 62 pounds. No gators around here luckily. |
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Posted: 3/18/2009 12:59:13 AM
Catch 'em when you can but July is the best month to run trot lines. One thing––if you set them deep you will drown any turtles you catch. If you stretch them across a narrow river, with the main line just a couple of inches above the surface, you will catch well and not drown the turtles. There's nothing like having 2-3 big snappers loose in the boat––in the dark.
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Posted: 3/18/2009 1:02:45 AM
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1: Catch 'em when you can but July is the best month to run trot lines. One thing––if you set them deep you will drown any turtles you catch. If you stretch them across a narrow river, with the main line just a couple of inches above the surface, you will catch well and not drown the turtles. There's nothing like having 2-3 big snappers loose in the boat––in the dark. Must be a barrel of laughs. ![]() |
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Posted: 3/18/2009 1:18:53 AM
Originally Posted By SenorTreinteOcho:
Originally Posted By georgiarebel6165:
We limb line here on the river. Just tie a lead to a limb sticking out of the bank with a small bream on a weight and #2 hook. Also put something reflective on the lines we put out. Looks like a runway at night. Caught a 62 pound cat doing this last year. Loads of fun. Watch out for gators! 62 pounds. No gators around here luckily. Rumor has it that's a small one. Mouth was as big as a 5 gallon bucket. I'll post pics later. Gators won't usually mess with you unless it's a mama protecting babies. Still causes the sphincter to shrink when they bump into the boat in the middle of the night.
That's when we like to take the Yanks fishing and tell stories about how the "South Will Rise Again" |
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Posted: 3/18/2009 3:13:51 AM
i like arowneragain's system, because you're not limited by ground cover.
TBK...trot lines up here are best when the willows are flooded....once the water warms. Also remember our OP is in New Mexicco OP...I don't think you need splitshot on your dropper lines. Also i think the sand/jg weight might be too heavy |
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Posted: 3/18/2009 3:44:50 AM
Is that a gar?
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Posted: 3/18/2009 3:47:53 AM
Originally Posted By oregonblackrifle: Is that a gar? ![]() i believe so |
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Posted: 3/18/2009 5:41:57 AM
Thought this was fitting
Never get tired of hearing this song! We came from the West Virginia coalmines And the Rocky Mountains and the and the western skies And we can skin a buck; we can run a trot-line And a country boy can survive Country folks can survive |
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Posted: 3/18/2009 6:54:02 AM
Jug fishing is fun. Not for rivers though. We used to run jugs to catch snapping turtles when I was a kid. They are good eatin.
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Posted: 3/18/2009 7:24:35 AM
Last time I was trot lining in the Suwannee River, a water Moccasin fell out of the trees and into the boat.
I almost beat a hole in the bottom of the boat trying to kill it. Needless to say, I haven't been invited back yet. |
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Posted: 3/18/2009 7:36:23 AM
Originally Posted By jmhat98:
They work pretty well for us. We usually run them from a boat tied between two stumps/trees across the river. http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb293/jmhat98/100_1026.jpg But watch out for these razor toothed bastards. http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb293/jmhat98/100_1023.jpg I love catching gar. ) on 8lb test line. It took me damn near an hour to pull that bastard in.
This thread has awoke my fishing bug. |
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Posted: 3/18/2009 7:50:18 AM
[Last Edit: 3/18/2009 7:54:06 AM by GUNSFORHIRE]
Originally Posted By RickNC:
I prefer the ones that go all the way across and anchor to another tree. Thats how they do it back home anyways. I would not use liver as it falls off to easy. We used to use chicken skins, gizzards, fish, etc. This.. And use cut bait.. I always went the day before with a Seine net in a shallow creek and caught a crap load of bluegill and used them as cut bait.. Also, Crawl daddy's can be used in the right river for catching Small Mouth Bass NEVER had a unsuccessful fishing expedition..Channel cat,blue cat and the occasional flat head were the fish that were caught..But remember that Flathead's can only be caught with live bait and they offer the best eating of the catfish family... http://www.marshbunny.com/mbunny/sidetrip/trotline/trotline.html |
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Posted: 3/18/2009 2:00:10 PM
One other thing:
Buying good bait is tricky - nightcrawlers are cheap, but minnows are expensive, and goldfish even moreso, when you can find them - so get a minnow trap and use it to catch bluegill or minnows. Smaller bluegill are better, generally. Big ones look great, but a 2# channel cat won't mess with a 6-ounce bluegill. Here where I live, we also can catch shad minnows (threadfin?) using a cast net. Whatever you do, if you make a habit of trotlining, you'll find that cheap bait becomes important. |
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Posted: 3/18/2009 2:10:52 PM
tagged for results and pics.
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Posted: 3/18/2009 2:20:03 PM
Oh, something else:
If your drops are close enough that the hooks can reach each other, they will. Untangling trotlines is no fun at all. Store them right and you don't have to disassemble them. Store them wrong and you'll quickly grow to hate the sport. |
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Posted: 3/18/2009 2:37:25 PM
Originally Posted By RickNC:
Jug fishing is fun. Not for rivers though. We used to run jugs to catch snapping turtles when I was a kid. They are good eatin. I use jugs as well, set them out in a slough before sunset, the cats come up shallow to feed at night and you get a lot of action. I like using 2 liter soda bottles and spray a line of reflective paint lengthwise down the side. You can just shine the slough with the light every now and then and see if you've got anything, hooked jugs are vertical, unmolested jugs are horizontal. |
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Posted: 3/18/2009 2:56:31 PM
bad ass.
I love trot line fishing for catfish. I use much bigger hooks (circle hooks) and no swivels though... 20+lb catfish would break those swivels or hooks in a jiffy. I prefer to run them across a river at a narrow point, or between the bank and a tree in the water, or between two trees, parallel to the bank. No floats and lots of weight to keep the lines on the bottom. When you run the lines, go down the line one way to remove the weights, then back down to remove the fish, then back down again to either take up the lines or reweight/rebait. A stick with a hook on it is handy for picking up the line or boating a big fish. There's an art to building good lines and keeping them untangled for stowage and deployment. In my family we keep them on wooden spools, and triple-wrap the mainline around the shank of the hooks on each drop (with the drops pulled down the mainline) for stowage. With practice, you can wrap/unwrap long lines with no tangles (this is important because otherwise nobody wants a 000 tied to a tree jammed up to the nut in their hand while being pulled downriver by the current... it's no fun at all. |
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Posted: 3/18/2009 3:13:58 PM
I run trotlines here in Oklahoma all the time and use sack cret for wieght alot cheaper twist a 10 gauge wire and stab it into the sack cret and wet it down with a water hose, then those empty beer cans can be fill with the cret and a twisted wire for the middle of the line wieght....I carry a .45acp with snake shot for the critter that like to get in the boat with you.
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Posted: 3/18/2009 5:24:08 PM
I think I'm going to head back to SW today to get better drop lines. I think the mono filament would be strong enough but I thing it will be more prone to tangling.
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Posted: 3/18/2009 6:06:50 PM
Around here everyone is switching to vertical trot lines because they are a lot easier set out, run and store. They are pretty much a stationary jug with 20+ hooks and a 2 pound weight at the end. I have several from 20 to 50ft made with 550 cord that have hooks about every ft or so. To put them out we stop the boat, drop the weight over the side, start letting out line as we are baiting up and then just drop the float. The float will pull the line tight with the current and the weight will keep it from moving. You also get to a range of depth that I don't think you get from conventional trot lines and the waves will keep the bait fluttering. As for bait we almost always use cut shad or cut Asian carp when we can find it.
I think with your setup your going to want to change out the snap swivels or atleast go to a more heavy duty one if you are gonna go after anything other than channels. Ive had blues straiten out snap swivels before and just use swivels anymore. Ill try to add more in a bit when I have more time.. |
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