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Posted: 1/3/2002 8:50:16 PM EST
Just curious folks, if you have a CCW, do you practice with the gun you carry and if so how/how much/how often? I got the idea from the LEO forum. The way I see it, there are three types of people who have CCW permits when it comes to levels of proficiency. 1) The person who has a CCW "just in case", and has no intent of ever firing the weapon and therefore never practices. 2) The person who has a CCW, is absolutely sure they can use their weapon to defend themselves, and never practices or trains in a manor that could challenge their abilities or show them their weaknesses. 3) The person who has a CCW, realizes the responsibility of carrying a weapon, and insures through training and practice that they are up to the task. In some states, including my own, you are not required to demonstrate your competence with a weapon prior to obtaining a CCW. This raises some real questions from LEO as well as the general populace as to the abilities of the average CCW holder. So let's hear it! ME: (monthly) 600-800 rnds pistol, 200-300 rnds rifle and as much shotgun as I can fit in. I shoot IDPA/IPSC @ least three matches a month, Tactical and Precision rifle, and (dare I admitt it), a little Trap/Skeet on the side. Extra ammo when practicing for big matches or taking training classes. By the way, for LEO, how much do you practice outside of yearly qualification?
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Yeah, I was checking out the LEO forum and noticed someone running their piehole about how they wouldn't want a civilian next to them in a gunfight unless they were prior military. I didn't respond since I don't wear a badge and it isn't my house over there, but I shoot a damn sight more than any cop I know, and I know a few. I have put between 10,000 and 12,000 rounds through my Kimber in the 3 years I've had it and about 3000 rounds through my USP since I got it a year ago. I have about 5,000 or 6,000 rounds through my AR and I'll be running about 500 or so more through it next weekend at a carbine class I'm attending, not to mention a few hundred more through the USP in transition drills. With my carry piece, the Kimber Pro Carry, I shoot pepper poppers, room clearing drills with shoot/no shoot targets in daylight and low light scenarios, in addition to partially obscured targets and momentary targets. I do fairly well, and I'm certainly no danger to anyone next to me, whether they're a cop or not.
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Shoot at least Once a month with carry gun on range and one IDPA match a month at least. Rifle When I can Average about once every two months with the different rifles.
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I have acces to a range on Mondays and shoot about 3 times a month. 100 round per outing. I spend part of the time on stuff that I know will challenge me, ie. 25 yard headshots, small targets at various ranges, 7 or 10 yard trying to make 2 consecutive shots touch each other, failure drills, accuracy-speed stuff. Generally I mix it up so i get some close range stuff, some longer range stuff, accuracy, and speed stuff, during each trip to the range. I should shoot more with a shotgun tho'............ Formal qualification/skills assesment 4 times a year.
Link Posted: 1/3/2002 9:59:16 PM EST
No CCW here. I go through about 4000 rounds a year on average. I have to admit I shoot my other guns(1911) more than my defensive gun(9mm).
Link Posted: 1/3/2002 11:17:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By Wolfpack: Hey Jarhead thanks for the info on the Penn. CCW, I got my app back and just need to send in my pic and $19, my old handle was Bobjitsu.
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Outstanding brotha. Sheriff DeLeo will hook you right up.
Link Posted: 1/4/2002 1:58:00 AM EST
Carry a Kahr K9. Shoot 100+ EVERY week in practice. Compete at least once a month in IDPA with exactly the same gun/leather I carry. IMHO, you don't, you stupid.
Link Posted: 1/4/2002 2:04:31 AM EST
In some states, including my own, you are not required to demonstrate your competence with a weapon prior to obtaining a CCW.
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You have to prove you're not a (convicted)criminal, among other things. A little sarcasm aimed at governments: When I moved to FL I had to prove I could parrell park before they gave me a driver's license. I haven't practiced since. Eddie
Link Posted: 1/4/2002 3:43:36 AM EST
What's a CCW? I live in the Peoples Socialist State of Maryland, we don't know what those things are.
Link Posted: 1/4/2002 4:05:35 AM EST
Winter carry = HK USP40 Shoot it whenever I go to the range, about once a month. I've had it for about 6 years and it is my No.1 pistola Summer carry = Beretta 85 (.380) Shoot it about the same as the HK. Hot summers in Houston require less clothes which requires a smaller weapon. I can take either of these out and shoot someone in the head at 30-50 ft. reasonably quickly. Unfortunately, there is the little thing called adrenaline. It will really screw you up when the time comes to actually use your weapon. Good luck.
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If #3 is the absolute extreme, I'd say I'm about a 2.5. I shoot regularly (weekly) with both rifle and pistols, mostly offhand in a defensive manner where I practice my presentation. I don't do the Starsky and Hutch stuff about shooting off the car hood, or the "Mannix" where you roll and come up shooting ;)
Link Posted: 1/4/2002 4:50:05 AM EST
I use to practice every couple weeks with my Glock 32. I was then bit by the AR15 bug which caused me to sell my Glock 22 to by a 20" Bushy and the 32 to buy a Acog TA01. I have a Beretta 92F lying around for house defense, but its too big to carry. Bill3508
Link Posted: 1/4/2002 4:54:42 AM EST
Being only 20, I personally don't own ANY handguns. Therefore, I have no CCW; and have no training time. But. . . I do have to requalify all my weapons qualifications whenever the Navy says so (which is every 6months or change of command). [;D] If I owned my own handgun(s), I would practice fairly often like I do with my ARs. I put 1,500rnds a month threw my ARs; and I wish I had a pistol to transition to after a jam or runninig out of ammo on the AR. [V]
Link Posted: 1/4/2002 5:08:27 AM EST
Well, I'm still waiting on my CCL and don't currently carry, but since I got my Kimber, I've shot it every week. I'm looking into taking some Defensive/Tactical classes and interested in IDPA. I'm so wrapped up in this right now I haven't put more than 50 rds. through my Bushy in the last 2 months. Might as well sell it.......NOT!
Link Posted: 1/4/2002 5:18:03 AM EST
Aren't you 9 x more likely to be shot by a cop than a CCW Joe six-pack?
Link Posted: 1/4/2002 5:19:02 AM EST
. . 2) The person who has a CCW, is absolutely sure they can use their weapon to defend themselves, and never practices or trains in a manor that could challenge their abilities or show them their weaknesses. ?
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These people are what you call CHEAPASSES! I have a buddy that has purchase 2 guns since he has last gone shooting. A 12 GA, and a .45. The last time was over 2 years ago! c-rock
Link Posted: 1/4/2002 5:29:13 AM EST
I am awaiting my CHL (Sent in 11/22/2001). Since testing I've gone to the range about 4 times. Plan to go shoot my new Kel-Tec p-11 this weekend and of course I'll shoot my V-10 Springfield just for shits and giggles. These are my "designated carry weapons". I also shoot my Ruger p90 and my bride's p95 now and then. The P90 will probably be a "in the vehicle" backup carry. My bride has shot twice since she tested on 11/17. We try to shoot at least once a month, and I'm trying to talk my bride into taking some tactical training, as she is hesitant to go ahead and apply for the license she qualified for. She has concerns over how she would carry in a skin tight dress, weight of the weapon etc. I've spoken with a local instructor who believes he can give her some tips/tactical advice that would help her make the proper decision. We shoot for two reasons. 1 is to remain proficient and the other is because we enjoy it. Long I know, but basically, if you're gonna pull that smoke pony on someone, you better know how to shoot the mother!
Link Posted: 1/4/2002 5:29:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By Rabbit9: Just curious folks, if you have a CCW, do you practice with the gun you carry and if so how/how much/how often? I got the idea from the LEO forum. The way I see it, there are three types of people who have CCW permits when it comes to levels of proficiency. 1) The person who has a CCW "just in case", and has no intent of ever firing the weapon and therefore never practices. 2) The person who has a CCW, is absolutely sure they can use their weapon to defend themselves, and never practices or trains in a manor that could challenge their abilities or show them their weaknesses. 3) The person who has a CCW, realizes the responsibility of carrying a weapon, and insures through training and practice that they are up to the task. In some states, including my own, you are not required to demonstrate your competence with a weapon prior to obtaining a CCW. This raises some real questions from LEO as well as the general populace as to the abilities of the average CCW holder. So let's hear it! ME: (monthly) 600-800 rnds pistol, 200-300 rnds rifle and as much shotgun as I can fit in. I shoot IDPA/IPSC @ least three matches a month, Tactical and Precision rifle, and (dare I admitt it), a little Trap/Skeet on the side. Extra ammo when practicing for big matches or taking training classes. By the way, for LEO, how much do you practice outside of yearly qualification?
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Whats wrong with Trap/ Skeet? I shoot alot sporting scattergun and its been very beneficial to my marksmanship. I do have a problem with alot of those guys who think that the anti gun agenda doesn't apply to them and are unwilling to be proactive. I shoot 3-5X a month. Glock 26/19- 50 to 150 rds a session. Also shoot ar, rimfire, 12ga, hunting rifles. Lots of benchwork/load development plus offhand, kneeling, sitting, prone, improvised field rests. I have a CCW, usually carry G26 loaded with Remington 115gr +P+.
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I will be honest, I don't shoot my handguns as much as I would like. I would guess that I may fire 1-box or 50-rounds once a month during the spring/summer/fall but rarely shoot it during the winter months. Now, I have shot the pistol quite a bit a few years back and I am confident with my limits and how the Glock functions such that I have little doubt that I am quite capable of ending a situation where I need to use my handgun for self defense. I will agree that practice improves skill but my handgun is a weapon of self defense. With that said, I shoot my AR-15s particularily my DCM/CMP rifle very often shooting 100-200 rounds every week during the same time periods from position. If I needed to rely on a weapon in a non-self defense position my 20-inch A2 HBAR would be the weapon of choice. At home, the trusty 870 12-gauge sits ready for anybody stupid enough to barge in..... I feel confident even if I may not be an expert with the handgun! I have a Taurus M85 38 S&W and a Glock 21 which I carry depending on the season and how at risk I feel. The Glock has a Lazermax lazer and hits very close to the little red dot at self defense ranges wile the 38 points and hits very well despite it's small size.
Link Posted: 1/4/2002 7:59:19 AM EST
I'm definetely a category 3. I shoot my carry pistol (USPc 9mm) at least twice a month to the tune of about 400 rounds per month. Some amy not agree with me but I support the idea of having to show some basic proficency with a firearm when obtaining a CHL. CMOS
Link Posted: 1/4/2002 8:48:27 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/4/2002 8:58:01 AM EST
I shoot at least every two weeks, 200+ rounds per session, with my carry piece (Beretta 96 Brigadier), and probably 100 rounds per session with my Taurus PT92 (that's the spare handgun that lives in easy reach of my kitchen and living room, because I don't always carry when I'm meandering around the house). Maybe 20 rounds/month with my Desert Eagle .44 Magnum, and I'd shoot it more if the bleeding thing would stop failing to extract. (Yes, I know, send it back to MRI...). I rarely shoot rifle, because 7mm Rem. Mag. isn't cheap to plink with, and is not an ideal personal-defense round; it'd be the last of my distance weapons I would grab in a home-defense scenario. Once I get my CAR built, I'll be tearing through .223 at an alarming rate, I imagine. I almost never shoot shotgun; there are few places near my home that allow it that don't also rape you for range-fees, and I don't hunt. I have a Mossberg 500, and it's loaded for Bad Guy, but that's for use in the home, and at the distances inside my house, it's unlikely that I could miss. -BP
Link Posted: 1/4/2002 9:13:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: Yeah, I was checking out the LEO forum and noticed someone running their piehole about how they wouldn't want a civilian next to them in a gunfight unless they were prior military.
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disclaimer: sarcasm on high here funny, i was thinking the same things about LEOs. i saw this one once at an indoor range in indianapolis. can't remember his firearm but it held 7-10 rounds. his target was no more than 15 FEET away from him. he rapid-fired his weapon in direction of the target. and when he was done: ONLY ONE FREAKIN' ROUND HAD HIT THE TARGET. damn LEOs...can't shoot. sarcasm back to normal level now.
Link Posted: 1/4/2002 9:23:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By fight4yourrights: What's a CCW? I live in the Peoples Socialist State of Maryland, we don't know what those things are.
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You gotta MOVE man! Leave the east coast version of the People's Republic of California and just jump just the border into the Commonwealth. You and yours will be better off for it. [beer][;D][beer]
Link Posted: 1/4/2002 9:43:57 AM EST
2.5-3. I practice every chance I get...depending on how much ammo I've got loaded up, usually once or twice a month for a few hundred rounds each. I always take my carry pistols...no matter what else happens to be on the agenda for that day at the range. Walther .40cal P-99 in winter and when I can covertly conceal it in summer clothing, otherwise a Sig P-230 in .380. I also shoot IDPA and practice with as much realism as possible on my own. Sensing the threat, recognizing that the threat is real and that the application of deadly force is the only option left to you to save your life or that of another, then drawing your weapon, acquiring the target and successfully engaging the target, often with one or more mag reloads, is critical to adequate self-defense. I think that if you don't practice often and really understand both your firearm and the law and what constitutes a [legal] firing opportunity, then you ought not to be carrying in public, since you probably pose as much of a threat to yourself and other civilians as you do to the perps. As to the skills of our LEOs? Some with whom I shoot are not so hot. I have even shot with some FBIs that didn't impress me too much. On the other hand, some LEOS are shit-hot! Some of these guys can shoot the eyes out of a fly at 100yds with either their AR or their service pistol. The reason: Simple...they practice, all the damn time. [soapbox]
Link Posted: 1/6/2002 7:46:47 AM EST
Thanks for all the replies; I would have expected no less in terms of personal responsibility/firearms proficiency from this group. Stay tuned for "Do you practice what you preach - PT II" [beer]
Link Posted: 1/6/2002 7:57:23 AM EST
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