I agree , nothing is going to happen " This Time " . Society isn't going to collapse from the current economic situation . It might become an inconvenience , but
the country will survive intact and without any widespread  violence .

So no , I don't have a bunker loaded with multi year supplies and enough guns & ammo to equip a division , but I do have enough to make life easier for those
I care about . At least for a little while should the Zombies ever rise . Or any other HIGHLY unlikely event that may come to pass . It's the same reason I pay for
insurance for other aspects of my life . For me it just makes sense , even if others might think it's a waste of time and money

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Yeah, I know this is a troll thread...

What does that even mean?  Frangible round are very special-purpose; any thinly-jacketed cannulared FMJ bullet moving at high velocity will yaw and fragment in flesh.

"Total fragmentation" sounds very much like a Hollywood term only loosely based in reality, akin to "cop-killer" or "armor piercing" bullets.


Having a firearm and being prepared (in the general sense) is not "living by the gun".


When I became interested in ARs, Prvi Partisan M193 was available for well under $200 a thousand rounds.  Now it is near $380 delivered.

You know what?  I wish I purchased tens of thousands of rounds when it was cheap... ain't like ammunition spoils or anything.


Being prepared entails a lot more than just having a bunch of bullets –– one would ideally have stored food and a garden, chickens, rabbits, or some way to replenish what is being used.


There is a difference between "destroy from within" and "preserve their way of life".  Every hear the expression "mind the cents, and the dollars will take care of themselves"?  Or "mind the ounces, the pounds will take care of themselves"?

This country was found on individualism, the idea that the only way for the whole to be strong is for the individual to be strong.  Taking from one to give to the other subverts that, as does outlawing inalienable rights in the name of the "common good".

Greed is good.  Individualism is good.  Those that last the longest and work the best will be those that share, help, and accept help on their terms, not because someone else says so.

Mind the individual, and the country will take care of itself.


OK, elaborate.


Maybe by donating a dozen rifles and thousands of rounds of ammo to the local Neighborhood Watch program :-)

But really, what does charity have to do with how you started your post?

Come to think of it, what the hell is your thesis, your point?  What are you writing about or getting at?

That one shouldn't spend their money how they wish?

That tough times are around the bend but one shouldn't be prepared to defend themselves?


What has been in the works for years, a recession?  A Democrat Chief Executive?  The coming of Cthulu?


What does that mean, and how does one prepare for this serious shit?

Maybe by sending you a refill for your meds?

(I'll give your rant a 1/10: it was long, that's for sure.  But pointless and scatter-brained.)

Zombies.  Definitely.

Threadium Bumpicus

Between the O.P.'s two post, I dont like how I am being grouped into the desperate urban gang crowd. Dont come in here spouting your crap about how us "Militia" types are going to do this or do that. We stockpile things we think are nesisary to take care of our families if desperate time hit, which they dont appear to be far off. That way we are not a burden on the community or the local responders. I dont think any of us want to be in a situation like we saw after Katrina rolled through down south.
With a second post like this, you sure seam like a troll. If you are, piss off. If you try to bait members here you will have a close encounter with the ban hammer for sure. If you are here trying to learn something, then you will be accepted and any of your questions will be answered in a polite, adult fashion.
For now, I think you should look at the pic below for further instructions and think before you type for now on

Try answering some of the questions raised in your post instead of mindlessly bumping your thread.

this

there is no such thing as a criminal if there is no rule of law. there is just the strong and the dead

and as one of those guys stockpiling thousands of rounds of ammo, kiss my butt.

Popcorn in the microwave now......

Of course it isn't, but there certainly are some assholes out there with dark agendas.  What about those guys that purchase property along the border so they can "defend" it when some hapless illegal alien crosses through it?  I'm not grouping all the handgun and rifle owners into one category, I know plenty of good people who are battening the hatches and are getting prepared, but why the hell would anyone in the US need a one hundred round drum?



I'm still hanging on to my 10,000 rounds of Byzantian 5.56 surplus from 1973.  It's retained its value better than most people's 401K's.



So everyone that has tons of ammunition has at least a years worth of food stored up?  And what if a drought hits?  If for some reason they fun out of food but have lots and lots of weapons, those are some dangerous people.




OK Gordon "Greed is Good" Gekko, too bad the real world can't live up to our founding father's ideals.  The people depend on the present system, and when that goes away we're all going to left standing around with our dicks in our hands.  Don't believe that's going to happen?  Well I assure you this storm looming on our nation's horizon is very real, and not believing in it isn't going to make it go away.

Just look around you, everyone feels it coming, even if they don't know how bad it's going to be.




It's not a matter of IF, but WHEN this new great depression comes it will completely end our system of buying and selling goods.  What our leaders are doing right now is creating more and more money to pay our ever accumulating debt.  This is effectively ruining our currency with what will soon be hyperinflation, akin to what happened to Zimbabwe and the Weimar Republic.  The Federal Reserve quit reporting the M3 money statistic in 2005 - which is everything that can practically be considered money - under the guise that it was too expensive to gather the data.  The truth is that they don't want us to see that they are dropping money from the helicopters and inflating the money supply.

When our leaders realize they can't do that anymore, and the people realize the money faileth, what will we do then?  With rising unemployment and a diminishing tax-base the government will be in an even tighter spot than it is in right now.  Besides, a very significant number of people are employed by the government or are contracted by it.  Those tax dollars don't really count as they originated from the government in the first place.  The simple fact of the matter is that the US government is broke as all hell and when they finish ruining the Dollar in a desperate attempt to keep things running just a little bit longer we will all find ourselves in a world of hurt.

Every country that has been faced with this dilemma in the past (declare bankruptcy or print money like crazy) has opted to print money like crazy.




Defense is one thing, but as an earlier poster said you have no idea how these people with tons of weapons are going to react when their family begins starving.  During these tough times when it appears the social order is breaking down some will take it as an opportunity to finally act on their criminal desires.  There are a lot of dangerous people out there, many more than there are responsible gun owners.




No, this coming economic depression.  I hear a lot of jackasses commenting on how Obama is going to ruin everything when really everything was pretty much ruined by the time he got into office.  When times get tough and things start falling apart what's left of the government is going to have to make some tough choices, some that will probably make a lot of people very unhappy.  They will still need to keep the just-in-time deliveries of food and supplies going to the cities somehow, and with all the jobless souls we'll need some form of socialization to feed them.

I see a lot of new gun control laws springing up, a huge downgrade in our quality of life, and a lot of assholes who recognize it as their duty to "fight the power."

Why do you come to a gun forum and openly talk about gun control? If yo dont like what we do, head back to the DU

This is some troll account bullshit. Someone ban this clown

Fuck Obama and his microcephalic minions.


 Back to Duh ...

I just wanted to see if my new avatar stuck. I couldnt find a thread any more stupid.


ETA I guess it didnt work.

ya, why would you come on a gun fourm and talk about gun control. you need to leave

No one needs anything but air, water, food, and shelter.  No one certainly needs a car that drives faster than 65 MPH, one-thousand television channels, broad-band internet access, $350 ice skates, or $1,000 surf rods.

But last I checked there were no rules on what one spends their money on.  As such, if I wasn't in New Jersey I'd likely have a closet full of 100 round AR drums.  So what?  As a lawful person and responsible gun owner, none of my firearms will be used in the commission of a crime or to hurt someone.

So, what is your beef with other stockpiling ammunition?

Anyone backed into a corner is a dangerous person, and they will use anything as a weapon.  Whether these "dangerous people" slit your throat with a kitchen knife, bludgeon you with a table leg, or burn your house down with gasoline, those that want to cause mayhem will find a way to do so.


What is the alternative, socialism?  Don't you dare say that the current financial situation was brought on by a free market –– in a truly free market, banks would not be compelled to make bad loans, nor will they be bailed out when they become insolvent.

I do believe that tough times are ahead.  How would you suggest one prepare for them?  You are arguing that it isn't by keeping a full pantry or the means to self defense.

OK, despite the NWO/Amero ramblings, I'll ask:  what should one do to prepare?  What are you doing?


Again, what should we be doing if not filling the pantry and the gun safe?


Here's a protip:  you never know what is going through another's head: they may be broke and desperate, or rich and nuts, or just high off their ass on hallucinogenics and stimulants.  I never assume to have a idea on how someone is going to react to the most mundane of stimuli.

So again, what can one do except be prepared, every day, to defend their lives?


I heartily disagree with you.  And even if I agreed with you, what could I do except buy a bunch of 100 round magazines, to "even the odds"?


Again, what do you propose the individual does?


Holy.  Shit.  An honest-to-goodness communist.  I mean, I know that this election attracted all sorts of whackos, but I really didn't think a true communist would end up posting on ARFCOM that "your way of life is over, get used to it".  This is some real "Radio Hanoi" shit I'm reading.

America doesn't have a "love of guns"; it [i]used[/] to have a "love of freedom".  Unfortunately damn few will take up the banner of Freedom, and those groups are splintered and subject to ridiculous in-fighting.

When the shit hits the fan and the house of cards comes tumbling down, what do you propose the government does?  What would you do if you were in control?

And I guess there isn't anything we can do, except stockpile ammunition, water and food and batten the hatches.  I hope that works out for you.

this is why i like ar15, i read the OP think of a response and someone already typed it for me,
so all i get to do is +1

There are between 80 and 100 MILLION gun owners in the US. Crimes committed with guns equals less than .01 percent of them currently. What rotten sludge have you stuffed in your scramblehead that could possibly make you believe that suddenly, the pillars of our communities, the people who EARN the money that is TAXED away from them (at .gov gunpoint to pay for themselves and their undermensch scum) would suddenly become criminal raiders?

People who prepare for disasters don't need to steal ANYTHING, or attack ANYONE. People who aren't prepared are the ones who riot, kill, and loot during bad times.
And "one hundred round drums" are fun, dumbass. And useful for repelling large marauding crowds of unprepared, murderous, looting scumbags. Or is defending yourself in a very nasty situation a bad thing?

Also: I don't believe you have a single round of 5.56, or any other caliber, nor a gun. Neither do I believe you have ever fired anything but a Nerf gun in your entire ignorant life.

You see your man Obama driving the country into a brick wall and it scares you that the smart folks are wearing crash helmets, 5-point restraints, and are sitting in personal roll-cages that they built for themselves because they saw your Messiah was a drunken mongoloid with a learners permit a long time ago.

I atleast know that if a revolution does go down and pickings get thin and I'm forced into cannibalism, I'm going to eat the whiny, anti-gun, liberals first.  




...whether their dead...or alive.

What happened during the Great Depression?  The country got by –– yes, there were thousands of individual tragedies, but the United States made it through.


There are many things that an individual can do to help themselves and their family get by.  I actually started enumerating then, but then remembered that you're of the opinion that you are helpless and can do nothing but wait for the government to help you.

Final protip:  If you are going to give up and think that the government can take care of you through thick and thin, you're part of the problem.

or even worse.

WTH is the "we" part. I seriously doubt you have much more then a paring knife for defense and a few days or weeks of food.

IT STARTED LONG AGO...  IT HAS JUST NOT ESCALATED YET...

HEY! You can't say FUCK OBAMA!

I definitely picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

The correct answer is..............YES.  The timng is the question.  How long can taxes go up and money distributed to the useless until the productive stand up.

meh, I needed the laughs so here I am. To the OP read any Redcross, DHS.FEMA, ready.gov website, planning and preparing for anything is the right thing to do. When a group of 5-whatever number you want to imagine, think it is okay to shoot and kill for food and water or material things come to your AO, what are you going to do? Maybe the pillage gang just wants to meet/meat your wife or daughter, the lack of LEO makes it easy.

You can reload quickly right, and have suppressive fire right, with a bolt action or a single shot. Sound tactics and training are good, as well as the supplies to continue your training/hobby/protection/RIGHT as a FREE American.

Prepare for the worst case, have a plan and several back up plans.

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Am I the only one who is wondering exactly what the fuck Byzantium 5.56 ammo is. I mean didn't the Byzantine's go out about 1000 years before the invention of gunpowder.

Sorry, I live in Hurricane alley in New Orleans.  Am I a fool for having food, water, guns, ammo, and survival gear? As far as my guns and ammo they are great for hunting, target shooting, and home defense.  I hope that's all I'll ever need them for.  As far as things not being that bad.... are you serious???  You can't be unless you live in a cave and only watch the 5 o'clock news.  

Yes.

thick skin ––––––––-> required for ARFcom   Just roll with it.

We are already in a derpression.

If you have a job by the end of the year...count yourself lucky.

Recession, repression...It's all the same.

+1 NDT3  

Just think...the Outrage!!  People standing up for themselves in troubling times is a threat to those who would trample upon them.  It's ok though, because mother government will nuture us back into good health like they were doing before the recession/depression.

What are these Militias of which you speak?

Byzantine? I think thats the shit that helped me get rid of my sinus infection. I knew that shit tasted like H335. What the hel are they doing stockpiling 5.56? They must be a secret militia.

Well, you don't see threads like this too often on here.

IN!

Damn that's good!

Why can't I think of stuff like that?

Well done.

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1Byz·an·tine  
Pronunciation: \ˈbi-zən-ˌtēn, ˈbī-, -ˌtīn; bə-ˈzan-ˌ, bī-ˈ\
Function: adjective
Date: 1651
1: of, relating to, or characteristic of the ancient city of Byzantium
2: of, relating to, or having the characteristics of a style of architecture developed in the Byzantine Empire especially in the fifth and sixth centuries featuring the dome carried on pendentives over a square and incrustation with marble veneering and with colored mosaics on grounds of gold
3: of or relating to the churches using a traditional Greek rite and subject to Eastern canon law
4often not capitalized a: of, relating to, or characterized by a devious and usually surreptitious manner of operation <a Byzantine power struggle> b: intricately involved : labyrinthine <rules of Byzantine complexity

however in your context mixed  varied or hodgepodge would have been a better choice

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e397/Bigpappadiaz/barack-obama-for-president.jpg

This is my hero.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e397/Bigpappadiaz/cunningplan.jpg

OK, which one of you guys is this?



"They see me trollin', they hatin', Moderatin' and tryin' to catch me postin' dirty..."

WTF!?  I thought Byzantine was that crap you spray on owwies that stings like hell.

Your cat is so pissed off at you.