I thought so.

Those resonsible for the cover up should be rounded up and shot, but of course, they'll get a slap on the rist. Disgusting.

Death to Mall Ninjas!  [sniper]

A reader's guide to the Columbine report:

[url]http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2000/05/17/guide/?CP=YAH&DN=11%0A0[/url]

The complete report (totaling 575 megs):
[url]http://www.salon.com/news/special/columbine_report/index.html[/url]

Nah, facts aren't going to change anyone's mind!

[:P]

Gov. Bill Owens calling for a Grand Jury investigation.

Wonder why that is????!!!!

DaMan  

Yeah, politicians only do things for the *purest* of motives.

He thinks it's the politically correct thing to do.

He can call all he wants, but he has no power to actually get the job done, and those who do have the power, say there's no reason to to convene a grand jury.

Jay
Arizona

I'm not a cop, and certainly not a tactical expert, but my eyes don't lie.

I saw a bloody, gun shot high school student flopping out of the second story window of his school. SWAT guys all over the place, outside the school well before that even occured. Clearly kids were, at best being shot and wounded inside, at worst being slaughtered.

As I remember it was literally hours before the first entry team entered the building, despite absolutely every indication that kids were being murdered on a massive scale.

From my humble, self admitted novice viewpoint, I would have expected MUCH better from ANY police departments SWAT team. Exactly what needs to occure before a brave and rapid effort is made to stop mass murder? What is the whole point of having a SWAT team that circles a building as people are being shot and blown up? I realize officer safety is a consideration in many instances, however in THIS situation the safety of the kids should have FAR out weighed department "policy".

Remember the Secret Service officer that dove and took a bullet for President Reagan? That's exactly the level of devotion to public safety, if demanded, that EVERY citizen who pays taxes should demand from someone who CHOSES to be on a tactical response team.

I realize department regulations and the chain of command dictate officer actions. That doesn't mean that by all appearances that particular SWAT team and their bosses looked and acted like a bunch of cowards all dressed up for a fight they were unwilling/affraid to engage, despite having the training/equipment/weapons to take on just about any threat. If you've got it, use it. Don't take on a life and death protecting role if your unwilling or unable to carry it out. Period. Put up a "Help Wanted" sign and hire guys that WILL put it on the line, whether it be new command or new operators.

The only kid I saw come out of a 2nd floor window was the one rescued by the ninja's using the armored car, which I might add had all the Loomis Armored decals all covered up with card board and duct tape:

Someone explain to me why someone (Loomis, the ninja's, etc.) went through the trouble to do that before putting the truck into action.

That always has bothered me.

Jay
Arizona

To me the far more important question is why didn't SWAT immediately begin a tactical room clearing action at the first sign of the mass murdering of children?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't SWAT stand for Special Weapons And Tactics, not Sit, Wait, And Theorize?

Planning and readiness for that type of situation, being a school or otherwise should occure LONG before the real bullets fly.

Could you imagine if a gas main broke, burst a school full of kids in to an inferno, while the fire department with all it's fire fighting tools circled the building doing nothing until the fire was out? Neither can I.

Oh, I think if the Governor is calling for a Grand Jury investigation he'll get it!

The problem with Sheriff Anderson's independent investigation is his folks don't have subpoena power. He can't force testimony from participants. Only voluntary statements.  Voluntary statements are extremely hard to come by from the parties involved. DOn't understand that.... think they'd like to clear up the matter! [:P]  

M4... Good post!  Good question!

DaMan

Takes a verb to kill.
[smoke]

I find it exteremely irritating that you ( not just you, but other folks as well) feel empowered to spread hateful and misleading gossip, which is all this is, because you are a taxpayer. Well guess what...so am I....and every other officer that posts here.
 
  Sure, feel free to post information and SPECULATE ( which is all it is anyway) about any number of LEO topics. But do us a favor and stop thinking that somehow just because you pay taxes that that gives you the right to make unwarrented criticism of any public sector employee, from some presumed possition of superiority, which your attitude appears to reflect. You're just another taxpayer of no special significance in the big picture. I am sure that if you are that unhappy with officers, any LEO in your jurisdiction will be happy to refund you .10, which is most likely your share of his or her salary.

The BG's were very much alive when the SRO returned to the school and engaged the shooters from a  distance of some 70 yards.
The BG's were very much alive when the first responding officers formed an ad hoc entry team, comandered a piece of heavy equipment and gained entry to the school, engaging the shooters in the process.

Pardon us for not supplying you with Bruce Willis- Sylvester Stallone-Arnie Schwarzenegger levels of gunplay. Sorry to bore you so much. Must be great being able to Monday Morning Quarterback from your keyboard. I am willing to bet that if you had been there that day, you'd most likely be dead or scrapping the mess out of your shorts.
Your post is so full of misinformation about what happened, it's not funny.

You don't know how right you are:

One the the propane bombs that did go off in the H.S. was positioned next to this massive natural gas supply line.

I swear, the thing was big enough to supply all of Denver with natural gas:
If I recall right, it was about 18-24 inches.

Luckily, the bomb didn't do any real damage to speak of.

Jay
Arizona  

Hey, I just looked at my pay check, and damm:
If it isn't signed by ArmdLbrl. [:)]

Jay
Arizona

The news today reported that there also might be a seldom employed "Coroner's Inquiry".  

Seems there are quite a few who think there's a "smoking gun" and not buying the "Official Report"!

DaMan

PS - According to Colorado Revised Statutes, the county coroner can order the arrest of the sheriff.  Not saying this will happen, but that power is in the statutes.