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Posted: 3/10/2001 6:01:39 AM EDT
Anyone got any experience with a HK USP or a Sig in .40 cal.? I think I've narrowed it down to these two. Which one?
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 6:26:11 AM EDT
Being left handed Sig was not an option for me but being the fine weapons they are I did get my girlfriend a 229 in 40 cal and she loves it. I have a 40 USP and had it factory converted with the control lever on the right side to decock only. It has a huge slide release and easy to use mag release on both sides and I absolute love it. I have fired over 10,000 reloads through it with no problems. Accurate, light and extremely tough and reliable. I would say that it comes down to preference as you can't go wrong either way.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 6:36:55 AM EDT
GottagettaGlock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 7:30:44 AM EDT
I was in the same position a year ago ... I liked the HK alot but the Sig 229 seemed a little more comfortable for carry. I still plan for a HK USP in the future, however I dont regret my final choice. The 229 is a fine carry gun.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 7:39:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 8:19:50 AM EDT
Both are good guns but still would prefer a Walther P99.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 8:44:37 AM EDT
I have carried the P229 for the last 3 years, and I think it’s the best gun money can buy - period. I use it in I.D.P.A. events also. The HK is probably just as good, but is more bulky to carry. You can still get hicaps for either weapon, but they are pretty salty. You can’t go wrong, either way. [flag] The Glock is a great weapon (I own one), but not it is not in the same "class" as SIG/HKs are. No offense to all you "Glocksters" out there.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 8:44:52 AM EDT
Having carried the 229 before I went to glock for duty use, I found the 229 to be an excellant weapon that can carve the x ring out with just a little practice. This weapon holds a place of honor in my safe, but for combat go glock.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 8:45:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/18/2001 5:16:27 PM EDT by Juggernaut]
First choice-USP. I. Will. Never. Give. Up. My. USP. It is awesome. Nuff said. Second Choice- Sig second. Glock 3rd. Different features, different Hi-cap mag availibility, Glock for combat/SHTF/ carry, Sigs for defense/range/carry/, I would get the USP, if your hand like the feel(get an Agrip, from www.brookstactical.com). Sig is in second place, though a fine weapon, and a proven gun, I trust my USP more. Them Germans knew what they were doing when they designed it.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 8:47:42 AM EDT
I've owed 2 .40 caliber Sigs. The 229 and Sig Pro 2340. I liked both guns a lot, but I just switched to an HK USP compact .40. It fit in my hand perfectly. Unlike my two Sigs. It think both makes are awesome. It's just personal preference. One thing HK has over Sig is lifetime warranty. Good luck!! [sniper]
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 8:49:32 AM EDT
Flip a coin - both excellent - being a lefty went with the H&K
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 10:20:22 AM EDT
Glock 23......
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 10:43:50 AM EDT
I own the both the 229 and HK USP 40 full sized. They are both good versatile shooters. Flip a coin, you really can't go wrong with either one.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 10:54:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tylerdurden1201: You can still get hicaps for either weapon, but they are pretty salty.
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I have never seen a high capacity mag (at least for civilians), in a 229. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 11:00:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 11:10:32 AM EDT
I own a Sig 239 and love it. Trying to figure out if I want a twin or get the 229. The 239 fits pretty well but is a hair too small and the 229 fits pretty well and is a hair too big. Oh well. What's the going price for the USP? Why do some of you think Glocks are better for combat?
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 11:18:30 AM EDT
Why do some of you think Glocks are better for combat?
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no external safety to worry about and just a tough, ultra reliable weapon.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 11:35:00 AM EDT
I have never seen a high capacity mag (at least for civilians), in a 229. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Yup, the 229 came out prior to the '94 Slime Bill, so there are preban high capacity mags. But... be prepared to shell out big bucks. The 229 high caps hold 12 rounds.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 11:44:38 AM EDT
If it makes you feel any better, the USP was designed by HK as a .40. SIGs were scaled up from 9mms (with the exception of the 229, which was designed as a 357). I have experience with the USP .40 and can tell you it's worth every cent I paid for it.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 11:45:38 AM EDT
What Tyler said---- The Glock is a great weapon (I own one), but not it is not in the same "class" as SIG/HKs are. No offense to all you "Glocksters" out there. ------------ The USP is Crafted, not assembled. Glocks are just not as well made. Tough as a brick of 1040 steel, too. I saw that video, Garand Shooter, someone posted it on the web some where. It took forever to download, but it was a vid of the original torture tests. This gun had been subjected to harsh testing. including freezing and firing. I know the original test data is out there, I'll find it... Goblin the USP goes for 'bout 600-630 for 9mm and .40, compact a bit more and the .45 goes for about 660 up to 700+. Quite worth it tho. I paid for mine, and don't reget a penny-like I do that mini-14. [:(]
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 11:48:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ARowner: If it makes you feel any better, the USP was designed by HK as a .40. SIGs were scaled up from 9mms (with the exception of the 229, which was designed as a 357). I have experience with the USP .40 and can tell you it's worth every cent I paid for it.
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It's not just Sigs, either, nearly all .40's are upscaled nines, which may be why the have rep for kb!'s. The USP is an excellent exception.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 11:52:16 AM EDT
So basically the Sig and HK are truly an "apples-to-apples" comparison. I'm surprised the two are so close in price. With no knowledge on USPs, I would've guessed they cost closer to $1,000. Think I'll stick with the Sigs either way, although I'd like to handle a USP for kicks.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 11:55:48 AM EDT
Glock 21 then buy the 40 SUPER conversion, which is just a barrel change, then use 135 grn 40 super TRITON HiVels for 1 shot take downs, or make that mellon thump and ooze in all directions!
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 11:59:22 AM EDT
Flames aside, I think Glocks are butt-ugly. I acknowledge the fact that they are popular b/c they function well, but I can't stand how they look. My .02 'bout Glocks.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 12:48:52 PM EDT
I've shot both. I own the 229. The trigger is far superior to the HK, IMO. SIG is the BMW of handguns. I just can't warm up to plastic.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 12:56:07 PM EDT
H&K USP or Sig in .40 cal......any preference? This was the original thread posted. Cannot the Glocksters sit back and let HKers and Sigsters slug this one out without butting in? I own a Glock 23 and use it for carry. It is a fine weapon but please do not even try to compare it to a Sig or HK. Is is apples and oranges. The slide release on a Glock is essentially useless as it is so flimsy and the mag release isn't much better. More Glocks have blown up probably then any other gun (I know personally of 3). I would never consider testing new loads with my Glock but leave that duty to the HK. There is a reason that you will pay more for a Sig or HK than a Glock. Police forces have the advantage of buying new firearms every few years but when I buy I'm expecting a lifetime of service.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 1:06:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Wobblin Goblin: So basically the Sig and HK are truly an "apples-to-apples" comparison. I'm surprised the two are so close in price. With no knowledge on USPs, I would've guessed they cost closer to $1,000. Think I'll stick with the Sigs either way, although I'd like to handle a USP for kicks.
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Not to rain on your decision, but until they start making handguns in .40 DESIGNED for .40, then I'm not shootin' them. Altered 9's with that high pressure round-doesn't sound good. The USP is one of the only(so far) .40's that was designed for that round. I'd shoot a Sig, Glock, Beretta M92, Taurus PT92(have one), or even a Browning Hi-Power-all in 9mm, the gun they were designed for, not .40
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 2:29:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Juggernaut:
Originally Posted By Wobblin Goblin: So basically the Sig and HK are truly an "apples-to-apples" comparison. I'm surprised the two are so close in price. With no knowledge on USPs, I would've guessed they cost closer to $1,000. Think I'll stick with the Sigs either way, although I'd like to handle a USP for kicks.
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Not to rain on your decision, but until they start making handguns in .40 DESIGNED for .40, then I'm not shootin' them. Altered 9's with that high pressure round-doesn't sound good. The USP is one of the only(so far) .40's that was designed for that round. I'd shoot a Sig, Glock, Beretta M92, Taurus PT92(have one), or even a Browning Hi-Power-all in 9mm, the gun they were designed for, not .40
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I understand your theory, but have personally never heard of any problems from anyone who ever owned a SIG. Other than perhaps the blueing wearing off. Nothing but glowing praise. Now, I'd still like to handle and shoot a USP.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 3:34:23 PM EDT
I have the USPC .40 and have shot alot through it without any jams. It feels good in the hand and the recoil is superb for a .40. Takedown is easy and cleans up quickly. Would not trade it for 2 sigs.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 3:47:41 PM EDT
Not to cause friction here, but the SIG P229 was specifically designed for the .40 S&W cartridge. Not “scaled up” as other firearms were i.e. Glock, Beretta, and many others. That’s why there was never a .40 SIG P228. The HK USP was originally introduced in .40 as well. About two years ago, the P226 was redesigned to use the .40 S&W and the .357 SIG (by using a slide crafted out of a solid bar of stainless steel. The 9mm P226 SIGs are still made the “old” way, as are the P228s. In case you were not aware, the SIG P226 is the official sidearm of the U.S. Navy SEALs. Sorry for sounding like a Mr. SIG know-it-all, but they are my specialty, and I love 'em!
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 3:59:00 PM EDT
I've shot them all, and would trust all of them when my life depends on it, along with some others that were not mentioned like the Styer M40 and a Brig 96 to name a few. Since you seem set on either the Sig or the HK I would go HK. I just like the way the USP fits my hand, but everybodys hand is different. For what it's worth I think my next handgun will be a HK Tactical. I'm Sorry, I have to say it. The first peice I would reach for if someone broke into my house would be my Glock with Trijicons and an M-3 Tac light.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 4:10:17 PM EDT
I have the 229 (and a G23 BTW) and my bro has the USP. Either is a great gun. For me, I prefer the glock because of the trigger, not into the double/single action thing anymore. But the SIG has the best trigger of that type. The main difference between the USP and the SIG for me is style. I see the USP as something to wear with jeans and a t-shirt and the SIG as something to wear with a tux. Both great guns and you can't go wrong with either.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 4:11:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tylerdurden1201: Not to cause friction here, but the SIG P229 was specifically designed for the .40 S&W cartridge. Not “scaled up” as other firearms were i.e. Glock, Beretta, and many others. That’s why there was never a .40 SIG P228. The HK USP was originally introduced in .40 as well. About two years ago, the P226 was redesigned to use the .40 S&W and the .357 SIG (by using a slide crafted out of a solid bar of stainless steel. The 9mm P226 SIGs are still made the “old” way, as are the P228s. In case you were not aware, the SIG P226 is the official sidearm of the U.S. Navy SEALs. Sorry for sounding like a Mr. SIG know-it-all, but they are my specialty, and I love 'em!
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I did not know that. Sig 229, huh? I'd sooner go for one that the disigners were allowed to build a new gun, to handle the .40 cartridge. Thanks for interjecting the truth here, I'd rather be wrong onece and be told than be wrong a couple of times, and just have everyone think I was making stuff up. 'Course, I'd rather not be wrong at all! [:D]
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 5:09:13 PM EDT
The 226 in 40 is a good choice- grip feels really good, you get a little extra barrel length. You really can't go wrong with either gun. Sig fits me better than the HK, but that's just me.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 6:04:10 PM EDT
I just bought a sig 226 today. good gun from what i can tell so far, but I think I will still stick to my HK USP40C.. It is an awesome weapon... [pistol]
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 6:53:55 PM EDT
Hmmmmm....I see there is still some resistance to the SIG's...give up now, resistance is futile.......sorry always wanted to say that...I do like the USP,thinking about getting one in .45,the only bone I have with the SIG's is the blueing wears a little quicker than most other brands[supposably fixed with their K-KOTE finish].Need to either get my slide reblued or get a new slide for my P226 9MM...looked at their web site but don't see them for sale,gotta call them.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 8:49:20 PM EDT
The Glock is an excellent combat pistol... The SIG is an even better combat pistol, a truly magnificent piece, I want one. The HK USP series is, IMHO, quite simply the best fighting handgun currently available. The operating system and controls [grip angle, safety lever, slide release, etc.] are based on the 1911, undoubtedly the most successful fighting handgun of all time [I've got to get one of those too, this post is going to cost me a fortune]. All of the shortcomings of the 1911 system [grip safety, can't clear without disengaging saftey, no decock ability] have been remedied. The polymer frame, is state of the art, from the folks who invented the polymer frame pistol. [I know, the VP70 wasn't anything to write home about, but it did predate the Glock by a fair margin]. The USP series is as reliable as any handgun anywhere [reliabilty among quality pistols is rapidly becoming so good as to be a non-issue]. Accuracy is excellent, with the accuracy of the O-ring models bordering on the freakish. on top of all this, I think that the thing that really sets the USP series apart is the fire control system. It is quite literally the most versatile system in place on a production handgun. I carry mine cocked-and locked, but I have the option of decocking for a DA first shot, or even DA with manual safety for an even "safer" option. Even with no part swapping, the fire control system offers more options than anything else. With a few parts changes, DAO, decock-only, or C&L only modes can be selected. In case you didn't notice, I really like the HK. ;) That being said, buy the gun that fits you better, you really can't go wrong with either. Like I tell people... East of France, West of Bulgaria... probably a good firearm. ;) Whatever you buy, watch that sight and keep up The Fight!!! DanO And no, I don't represent HK, or the Committee to Improve the Life of European Firearms Makers, or anything like that, just bored, up late, and opinionated. :)
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 9:46:27 PM EDT
Fine group of people you are. Shooting a caliber that was created by that socialist sellout gun company. Get a damn .45, .357, or .44.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 9:59:40 PM EDT
Sig P229, definitely. It can be three different calibers depending on what you want to shoot that day. 9mm, .40 or .357sig. All you have to do is swap barrels. (And mag for 9mm). I have owned a P226, P228 and a P220. The P229 is the most versatile, comfortable and accurate weapon I have ever shot.
Link Posted: 3/10/2001 10:02:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbrog|io: Fine group of people you are. Shooting a caliber that was created by that socialist sellout gun company. Get a damn .45, .357, or .44.
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I'm shooting a 9mm with Federal Hydra Shok when I'm shooting for keeps, and NO, I don't wanna hear y'all whine about my choice of calibers. 1. It's NATO, I can always get it. 2. I can double tap very quickly and accurately with the light recoil. I can hit with this gun. 3. 15+1, 17+1 with the JSG extensions. 4. With a 9mm Hydrashok in your head, and two more in your chest, you won't be glad I was only carrying a 9. 5. Interchangeable with my 9mm MP5SD (when I get an MP5!) [:D] No whining. You shoot what you shoot, I shoot what I shoot. I hit what I want, you? That depends on whether or not you shoot with something you can hit with.
Link Posted: 3/11/2001 3:08:21 AM EDT
Well, here is my story. My first handgun was an HK usp 45, I never could warm up to it. I shot pretty well with it, but it was just to big for my hands. I sold it and ended up buying another HK, this time a uspc .357sig. The muzzle flip that the uspc .357 produces is unbelievable, almost shocking. The dubble action pull on the HK sucks and checkering on the grips hurts my hand after about 200 rounds. Now I’ve been am trying to sell this one as well. I also own other handguns such as: Sigs, Glocks, and Kimbers. The HKs have been the only ones that I have sold off. The Sigs are great guns, I have a 229 in .40 and a 225(I will never part with them). I would highly recommend a Sig, they are accurate and points very well (for me anyway). If you are looking for a plastic frame type gun then get a Glock. I am planning to get myself another glock as soon as I sell my uspc.357.
Link Posted: 3/11/2001 11:55:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tylerdurden1201: The Glock is a great weapon (I own one), but not it is not in the same "class" as SIG/HKs are. No offense to all you "Glocksters" out there.
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I am indeed offended and will make use of this animation [-!-!-], aahh just giving you a hard time. [:D]
Link Posted: 3/11/2001 12:08:58 PM EDT
I am planning on adding to my collection of Sigs (currently one 239 in .40). The 239 should have a twin and then I'd absolutely LOVE to get the 229 in .40. That should round out the family nicely.
Link Posted: 3/11/2001 2:24:57 PM EDT
Ever wondered why the trigger guard is so large on the USP? I discovered this the other day while shooting my USP 40. With your index(trigger), finger on the slide in the safe position, snap it down and it automatically goes directly to the trigger. I'm not sure if the Sig has a large enough trigger guard to do this but I know on my Glock you have to make a conscious effort to bring your finger back into the trigger guard and place on the trigger. FYI
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