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Posted: 12/17/2001 4:16:32 PM EDT
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C'mon, who is it?
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Posted: 12/17/2001 4:19:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Have you ever conducted a purchase, sent funds and get stiffed? If so, did you have any real recourse? Is the “buyer beware” clause all that there is? Let’s say you agreed to purchase an item for around $600 from someone here and they failed to deliver. Let’s say you have their e-mail address and had conducted regular dialog until the time they receive the funds. Then nothing. He won’t answer e-mail inquires any longer. What would / could you do? Yes, I adhered to all the regularly pitched advice. Used a US Postal Service money order. Delivered via certified mail. … Am I just screwed? Well... there is always vigilante justice to be done..... [:D] [stick] |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 4:21:15 PM EDT
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I would send one more e-mail advising him that if you don't hear from him by a certain time and date that you will be contacting the US Postal Service about mail fraud.
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Posted: 12/17/2001 4:28:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: C'mon, who is it? ... It wouldn't be fair to say at this time. However, it's he's not a "regular" and similarly if there was some sort of legitimate reason (bereavement, natural disaster even jail) for the ceased communication I would certainly give him the benefit of the doubt. I guess I’m an optimist but if it were you he screwed what could you do? Being that he is three states away it would hardly pay to legally pursue him. Unless … (insert suggestions here) TIA |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 4:29:43 PM EDT
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Haven't been ripped off by anyone here on AR15.com...but got stiffed a time or two on eBay (both as a buyer and a seller) and once using the classifieds in the AZ Replublic. On that one, I looked into it and the legal advice was that even if I won, it's doubtful I'd see the money.
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Posted: 12/17/2001 4:36:36 PM EDT
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Dude Mr. Wolf, aka the "Cleaner." You're not talking about a certain Chan Suhl or something close to that are you? I just got done reading a mess of posts about him ripping off the members of this board. There's a whole thread dedicated to him on the equipment exchange's feedback section, I think. There were so many complaints against this guy that I fell asleep reading all of them last night. I think the guys on that post are planning some all out assault on that guy though. Seems this guy picked the wrong store to rob.
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Posted: 12/17/2001 4:37:35 PM EDT
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I've been very lucky.
Never been ripped off on ar15.com. |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 4:39:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: Dude Mr. Wolf, aka the "Cleaner." You're not talking about a certain Chan Suhl or something close to that are you? I just got done reading a mess of posts about him ripping off the members of this board. There's a whole thread dedicated to him on the equipment exchange's feedback section, I think. There were so many complaints against this guy that I fell asleep reading all of them last night. I think the guys on that post are planning some all out assault on that guy though. Seems this guy picked the wrong store to rob. ... Luckly, no (I think[>:/]) |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 4:39:48 PM EDT
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I am told the USPS does take the idea of mail fraud seriously. First do what Striker said, then have the USPS track the m.o. to see if it was cashed. GB has contact information for members here, I think. I do not know if he is willing to get involved. He has plenty on his plate already. If it is a ripoff, we could have the convention in the guy's living room while we exact revenge.
As an aside, in over 150 transactions on auction sites (mostly ebay), I have been ripped exactly once--for a lousy $11.20. Ebay gave me the guy's home phone # and I called. The guy's son happened to be visiting, and he was a fellow cheesehead. When I explained the situation, and what I was prepared to do, over the principal of the thing, he sent me a m.o. that arrived two days later. That was one apple that fell far from the tree. So, in the end, I have never lost a nickel. $600? I'd carve his heart out if it does turn out to be a ripoff. |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 4:41:03 PM EDT
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Have'nt been ripped off yet, so I can't offer much in the way of constructive advice on recourse. I would implore you that [b]IF[/b] you are indeed in the midst of being screwed that you post the individuals name on the board here as well as the Board of Inquiry at subguns. There are alot of people who you could potentially save from getting screwed as well.
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Posted: 12/17/2001 4:47:05 PM EDT
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It wouldn't be fair to say at this time. Yeah (There's also no reason to irritate him if there IS a legit reason for the delay). However, it's he's not a "regular"... Is he listed in FEEDBACK (I know the list doesn't guarantee anything, I'm just curious)? |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 4:56:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: Is he listed in FEEDBACK (I know the list doesn't guarantee anything, I'm just curious)? ... Awright, I can't find it. What is FEEDBACK? |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 5:12:42 PM EDT
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[/quote] ... Awright, I can't find it. What is FEEDBACK? [/quote] [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=56906[/url] |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 5:35:21 PM EDT
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Yeah, I have been. I get ripped off all the time by misleading thread titles.
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Posted: 12/17/2001 5:59:15 PM EDT
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ripped off???
I don't know. You be the judge: Made a trade. Sent my item the same time he sent his. Emailed the other party as soon as I received his item. Other guy claimed that he never got what I sent him. After a couple of days of emailing him and getting the [i]"have not got it yet"[/i] I just decided to send him another one with a note that if he should receive the first one I sent, to just send it back and I will refund him the mailing charge. Never did hear from him again. |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 6:10:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: Is he listed in FEEDBACK? ... No, neither + or - ... I'll be patient (for a little longer) |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 6:25:30 PM EDT
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I try to trade with those in the 300 or more post area. Or been around on the boards. Also those I have met in person.
I would "share" any info you had to other in that state. If the guy recieved a "call" at home or at work, about screwing with a AR brother, he might cough up. c-rock |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 7:22:19 PM EDT
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Ihave bought tons of skydiving and gun equipment sight unseen and on good faith. Out of all those only once did I get hosed and it was with skydiving gear that wasnt as servicable as advertised.
Ropes |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 7:25:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: Out of all those only once did I get hosed and it was with skydiving gear that wasnt as servicable as advertised. Ropes How did you find OOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUTTTT?!!!! I would think that would be bad. [}:D] |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 7:28:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: I try to trade with those in the 300 or more post area. Or been around on the boards. Also those I have met in person. |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 7:39:02 PM EDT
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Some people never get to 300 posts, let alone 500... I would definitely want to know their posting history to get a feel for what they're like, and would not do a $600 deal without a phone call or two and a non-P.O. box address. If it is a firearm, all transactions go through an FFL on each end.
I'd stay on him, keep calling, look for work numebers and so on. Don't give up! Sorry to hear it's not all right yet, it's a pretty bad position to be in. The BOI at subguns.com can also be a very effective avenue... Good luck, and hope it works out! |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 7:40:31 PM EDT
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I agree, though the number of posts doesn't guarantee anything, I still feel better about sending either money or equipment to someone I regularly see postings from. So far everyone I bought from/trade with has been completely outstanding.
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Posted: 12/17/2001 7:47:50 PM EDT
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... Thanks for the good advice guys. I'll be patient for a couple more days. If I do not hear from him by then I will post a link [u]to the exact thread[/u] URL (that is still live) here for you to judge.
... Again thanks |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 8:24:04 PM EDT
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I can't believe that nobody has mentioned the Paul Podhorn incident from the old boards.
(Edited because I can't sepll) |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 9:14:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: I can't believe that nobody has mentioned the Paul Podhorn incident from the old boards. I was one of those that got ripped off by Paul. I know there were a bunch of others too. USPC40 |
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Posted: 12/17/2001 9:42:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: I agree, though the number of posts doesn't guarantee anything, I still feel better about sending either money or equipment to someone I regularly see postings from. So far everyone I bought from/trade with has been completely outstanding. I agree. For example, Jander100 worked up several hundred posts in no time at all on the GD firearm forum. I'm not suggesting anything about him - he's just an example of how a person can get a lot of posts in very little time. I think any time you send money to a person you have never met, have no history with, and know only through electronic media - you are taking a chance. I definitely think "mail fraud" is the first step - good thing you used a money order. The post office is always reluctant to get off their ass, but when they do, they usually come through (in my experience). |
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