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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:48:00 AM
Why was JFK so great?

I'm 27, so I didn't grow up in that era. Why is he considered to be such a great president?
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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:48:20 AM
He got shot.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:49:25 AM
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He got shot.


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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:50:19 AM
He wasn't.

Although, he did purchase an M1 rifle from the DCM, so he wasn't all bad....
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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:50:47 AM
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He got shot.



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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:51:09 AM
"put a man on the moon", Cuba circa 1962, shot.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:51:14 AM
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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:52:00 AM
Many people actually believed he was the antiChrist back in the day, but the antiChrist doesn't come til afte the Rapture
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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:52:41 AM
Originally Posted By strat81:
Why was JFK so great?

I'm 27, so I didn't grow up in that era. Why is he considered to be such a great president?


He perception was just like Obama

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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:52:48 AM
He was a big supporter of Specops. He liked bagpipes. That's the only two good things about him.

Other than that he sucked just as bad as every other leftist. Worse actually, he is now a martyr for their entire fucked up cause.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:52:56 AM
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He wasn't.

Although, he did purchase an M1 rifle from the DCM, so he wasn't all bad....


There's this



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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:54:43 AM
He was a genuine war hero, and the last of the patriotic Democrats. He believed in strong national defense, cut taxes, believed in a hard line stance towards communism and he was a supporter of gun rights and the NRA.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:57:21 AM
His military service (PT109) was a point in his favor that our soon to be President does not have.


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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:57:26 AM
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
He was a genuine war hero, and the last of the patriotic Democrats. He believed in strong national defense, cut taxes, believed in a hard line stance towards communism and he was a supporter of gun rights and the NRA.


Yep. Guy was a democrat, but he's to the right of Bush, McCain, and most of today's Republican party.

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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:58:39 AM
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
He was a genuine war hero, and the last of the patriotic Democrats. He believed in strong national defense, cut taxes, believed in a hard line stance towards communism and he was a supporter of gun rights and the NRA.


My only real issue with him is how badly he fucked up the whole bay of pigs thing, but other than that he really wasn't a bad guy.

The rest of the Kennedys though, Ted in particular...
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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:59:38 AM
Like Elvis, Ritchie Valens, Jim Croce, Buddy Holley. Died early and then more is made of them than there was. Who was that Broke Back Mountain guy Heath Ledger?
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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:59:52 AM
Originally Posted By Bloencustoms:
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
He was a genuine war hero, and the last of the patriotic Democrats. He believed in strong national defense, cut taxes, believed in a hard line stance towards communism and he was a supporter of gun rights and the NRA.


Yep. Guy was a democrat, but he's to the right of Bush, McCain, and most of today's Republican party.



I'd have voted for zombie JFK over anybody who's run in the last 20 years.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:00:35 AM
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
He was a genuine war hero, and the last of the patriotic Democrats. He believed in strong national defense, cut taxes, believed in a hard line stance towards communism and he was a supporter of gun rights and the NRA.


I thought his daddy paid for the PT109 story?
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:01:03 AM
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Not much. He had some good ideas as CINC from his military days but his foreign policy fumbled.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:01:09 AM
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
He was a genuine war hero, and the last of the patriotic Democrats. He believed in strong national defense, cut taxes, believed in a hard line stance towards communism and he was a supporter of gun rights and the NRA.


+1 I'd take another John Fitzgerald Kenndedy over the Messiah Obama

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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:04:26 AM
He was popular, a great speaker, visually attractive and charismatic.

True, he didn't get to "do" much in office in the short time before his assassination but what he did do was generally positive.


Politics has this habit of being very polarizing. If one side adopts a leader or role model, the other side has a natural inclination to discredit that person in order to attack the other side. Just like every other president, though, JFK was only a man. He had his faults (let's just say sex scandal allegations) but he did some great things as well. You could say that Washington owned slaves or Jefferson banged on of his, or Truman dropped the bomb or Clinton got a piece on the side or FDR abused the term of office or Lincoln divided the states or, or, or... but all these men, with all their flaws and virtues, did what they believed to be right for the country they served.

It's easy to sit back and make criticisms and harp on all the "what ifs" but, in my opinion, all of our presidents have shown themselves to be great men, in one way or another, despite their flaws. Certainly, some greater than others but I don't think of any of them as bad.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:08:40 AM
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
He was a genuine war hero, and the last of the patriotic Democrats. He believed in strong national defense, cut taxes, believed in a hard line stance towards communism and he was a supporter of gun rights and the NRA.

Sadly though his assassination (along with MLKs) are probably the two largest events that brought us modern gun control in the US.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:10:25 AM
The REAL JFK ran as a hawk in the cold war, claimed we had a non-existant "missile gap" with the Soviet Union; he was for defense spending. Was an NRA life member murdered by an ACLU member and self described Marxist. The whole "Camelot" legend started after his death, when Jackie said they listened to records of the musical. He was the first President born in the 20th century, so after his death young baby-boomers like Oliver Stone projected all kinds of things into what he would have done had he lived. The Obama crowd would never have supported a Senator with JFK's beliefs today as President.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:11:04 AM
Originally Posted By Bloencustoms:
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
He was a genuine war hero, and the last of the patriotic Democrats. He believed in strong national defense, cut taxes, believed in a hard line stance towards communism and he was a supporter of gun rights and the NRA.


Yep. Guy was a democrat, but he's to the right of Bush, McCain, and most of today's Republican party.




Thank you.

More conservative than today's "republicans".

When Obama supporters compare Obama to JFK, I point this little fact out to them. They don't deny it.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:11:53 AM
Originally Posted By TrojanMan:
He was popular, a great speaker, visually attractive and charismatic.

True, he didn't get to "do" much in office in the short time before his assassination but what he did do was generally positive.


Politics has this habit of being very polarizing. If one side adopts a leader or role model, the other side has a natural inclination to discredit that person in order to attack the other side. Just like every other president, though, JFK was only a man. He had his faults (let's just say sex scandal allegations) but he did some great things as well. You could say that Washington owned slaves or Jefferson banged on of his, or Truman dropped the bomb or Clinton got a piece on the side or FDR abused the term of office or Lincoln divided the states or, or, or... but all these men, with all their flaws and virtues, did what they believed to be right for the country they served.

It's easy to sit back and make criticisms and harp on all the "what ifs" but, in my opinion, all of our presidents have shown themselves to be great men, in one way or another, despite their flaws. Certainly, some greater than others but I don't think of any of them as bad.


Except for Carter;he did what he wanted because what he wanted was the best for the country.The rest of us were just too dumb to see his genius.What a loser.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:14:31 AM
JFK had Clinton's Libido.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:15:59 AM
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:17:26 AM
Kennedy was more conservative than current republicans...
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:18:45 AM
JFK was a good leader.

Today's democrats should be ashamed of themselves.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:18:54 AM
Can you imagine what would happen to GWB if he orchestrated the whole Bay of Pigs fiasco?

He would have been impeached, removed, and run out of Washington on a rail.

JFK got a pass.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:20:25 AM
not that I'm a big JFK fan, but:

He'd think Obama should be shot–– not because his skin is dark, but because his politics are red.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:20:39 AM
Sure wasn't because of those Cubans he left to die at the Bay of Pigs..

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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:23:14 AM
Didn't he help Elvis defeat a mummy in the old age home? You know, after they painted him black to disguise his identity?

On a serious note one of my history teachers (Mr. Costello) always said they shot the wrong Kennedy(s), he didn't like Teddy very much. Of course he also told us stories of his Korean War days so he wasn't the average history teacher...
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:25:57 AM
Originally Posted By jasonfin1128:
Kennedy was more conservative than current republicans...


That.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:28:54 AM
Originally Posted By strat81:
Why was JFK so great?

I'm 27, so I didn't grow up in that era. Why is he considered to be such a great president?


I'm just a little older than you, so I wasn't there either...
but from what I can tell, he was a "rock star".
In exactly all the same ways we're seeing with oblama, probably even moreso.

JFK was young, charismatic, handsome, clean and articulate
I think he actually had some substance though, unlike the current example.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:30:02 AM
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:32:34 AM
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He wasn't.

Although, he did purchase an M1 rifle from the DCM, so he wasn't all bad....


There's this

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a288/callgood/kennedyquotem16.jpg



Note how JFK articulated the real reason for the 2A, as opposed to some generic "I support your right to own a gun" crap that we hear from the Dems now.

Of course, what a politician says, and what he does.....

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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:34:03 AM
Didn't he have a role in starting the Special Forces?
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:34:44 AM
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I thought his daddy paid for the PT109 story?


The story I've heard is that JFK was asleep at the helm and was the cause of the 'accident'.


Anyways, his inauguration speech stirred America into action and gave the people hope and confidence for the future. I always believed he was the best of the Kennedy's... and Bobby was the one to really fear, much more-so than Teddy. JFK was the last of the good Democrats.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:43:31 AM
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Didn't he have a role in starting the Special Forces?


Yes. He wanted to create a unit that could train insurgents around the world to fight off Soviet backed communist forces.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:47:56 AM
He is remembered well because his wife (a very, very sharp lady) spent the rest of her life polishing the Camelot myth. Kennedy was smart, but lazy, out of his mind on drugs a lot of the time and in chronic pain the rest of the time, badly unprepared for the position he was in, and is never properly credited for laying the groundwork for LBJ's massive expansion of government. Most of the JFK myth is just that, a myth.
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Originally Posted By TearsInRain:
Sure wasn't because of those Cubans he left to die at the Bay of Pigs..





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Posted: 11/11/2008 12:43:29 PM
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I thought his daddy paid for the PT109 story?

The story I've heard is that JFK was asleep at the helm and was the cause of the 'accident'.


Both of you provide CREDIBLE proof or else shut your yaps and quit shitting on an American (and Navy) war hero.

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Posted: 11/11/2008 12:45:37 PM
best thing he did is get shot.


he was a liar, philanderer and associated with the mob.




it's why we CANNOT have BO get assassinated. cannot happen. He'll go from being a socialist piece of shit to some sort of martyr. Can. Not. Happen.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 12:49:01 PM
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Didn't he have a role in starting the Special Forces?


He also ordered the creation of the Navy SEALs to have a unit that could conduct operations behind enemy lines and be capable of Sea, Land and Air insertions and extractions.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 12:56:07 PM
Let me point out one thing, that no one has said yet.

Kennedy was a catholic. The first catholic president. There was a lot of resentment to this. There was talk of the pope running the country, and everyone would be required to join the catholic church. As it turned out, all this was bullshit. No one had to join the catholic church, all they had to do was send their kids to Vietnam.

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Posted: 11/11/2008 1:00:32 PM
Originally Posted By KA3B:
Originally Posted By bk40:
Originally Posted By Falar:
I thought his daddy paid for the PT109 story?

The story I've heard is that JFK was asleep at the helm and was the cause of the 'accident'.


Both of you provide CREDIBLE proof or else shut your yaps and quit shitting on an American (and Navy) war hero.




I don't know if there is evidence, I've just heard the rumor like everyone else. Considering his father's considerable criminal backround and ties to organized crime I would not be suprised if it was true. I don't think anyone can prove it.
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Damn...

Not one "He was bangin Marilyn Monroe".......

Plus he was a major pill head
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A great man who had a talent for selecting brilliant people to surround him in office. Bobby was the real brains of the outfit but they both had balls. Ignorant morons who weren't alive when he was shouldn't state an opinion. Go back to your Playstation 3's.
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