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Posted: 11/11/2008 6:48:00 AM EDT
Why was JFK so great?

I'm 27, so I didn't grow up in that era. Why is he considered to be such a great president?
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 6:48:20 AM EDT
He got shot.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 6:49:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By stangboy555:
He got shot.


*ding*
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 6:50:19 AM EDT
He wasn't.

Although, he did purchase an M1 rifle from the DCM, so he wasn't all bad....
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 6:50:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By stangboy555:
He got shot.



nuff said
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 6:51:09 AM EDT
"put a man on the moon", Cuba circa 1962, shot.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 6:51:14 AM EDT
Banged enough top drawer trim to be a role model for Scott Baio?
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 6:52:00 AM EDT
Many people actually believed he was the antiChrist back in the day, but the antiChrist doesn't come til afte the Rapture
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 6:52:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By strat81:
Why was JFK so great?

I'm 27, so I didn't grow up in that era. Why is he considered to be such a great president?


He perception was just like Obama

Link Posted: 11/11/2008 6:52:48 AM EDT
He was a big supporter of Specops. He liked bagpipes. That's the only two good things about him.

Other than that he sucked just as bad as every other leftist. Worse actually, he is now a martyr for their entire fucked up cause.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 6:52:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By USMCTanker:
He wasn't.

Although, he did purchase an M1 rifle from the DCM, so he wasn't all bad....


There's this



Link Posted: 11/11/2008 6:54:43 AM EDT
He was a genuine war hero, and the last of the patriotic Democrats. He believed in strong national defense, cut taxes, believed in a hard line stance towards communism and he was a supporter of gun rights and the NRA.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 6:57:21 AM EDT
His military service (PT109) was a point in his favor that our soon to be President does not have.


Link Posted: 11/11/2008 6:57:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
He was a genuine war hero, and the last of the patriotic Democrats. He believed in strong national defense, cut taxes, believed in a hard line stance towards communism and he was a supporter of gun rights and the NRA.


Yep. Guy was a democrat, but he's to the right of Bush, McCain, and most of today's Republican party.

Link Posted: 11/11/2008 6:58:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
He was a genuine war hero, and the last of the patriotic Democrats. He believed in strong national defense, cut taxes, believed in a hard line stance towards communism and he was a supporter of gun rights and the NRA.


My only real issue with him is how badly he fucked up the whole bay of pigs thing, but other than that he really wasn't a bad guy.

The rest of the Kennedys though, Ted in particular...
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 6:59:38 AM EDT
Like Elvis, Ritchie Valens, Jim Croce, Buddy Holley. Died early and then more is made of them than there was. Who was that Broke Back Mountain guy Heath Ledger?
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 6:59:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Bloencustoms:
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
He was a genuine war hero, and the last of the patriotic Democrats. He believed in strong national defense, cut taxes, believed in a hard line stance towards communism and he was a supporter of gun rights and the NRA.


Yep. Guy was a democrat, but he's to the right of Bush, McCain, and most of today's Republican party.



I'd have voted for zombie JFK over anybody who's run in the last 20 years.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:00:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
He was a genuine war hero, and the last of the patriotic Democrats. He believed in strong national defense, cut taxes, believed in a hard line stance towards communism and he was a supporter of gun rights and the NRA.


I thought his daddy paid for the PT109 story?
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:01:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/11/2008 7:01:16 AM EDT by PBIR]
Not much. He had some good ideas as CINC from his military days but his foreign policy fumbled.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:01:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
He was a genuine war hero, and the last of the patriotic Democrats. He believed in strong national defense, cut taxes, believed in a hard line stance towards communism and he was a supporter of gun rights and the NRA.


+1 I'd take another John Fitzgerald Kenndedy over the Messiah Obama

Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:04:26 AM EDT
He was popular, a great speaker, visually attractive and charismatic.

True, he didn't get to "do" much in office in the short time before his assassination but what he did do was generally positive.


Politics has this habit of being very polarizing. If one side adopts a leader or role model, the other side has a natural inclination to discredit that person in order to attack the other side. Just like every other president, though, JFK was only a man. He had his faults (let's just say sex scandal allegations) but he did some great things as well. You could say that Washington owned slaves or Jefferson banged on of his, or Truman dropped the bomb or Clinton got a piece on the side or FDR abused the term of office or Lincoln divided the states or, or, or... but all these men, with all their flaws and virtues, did what they believed to be right for the country they served.

It's easy to sit back and make criticisms and harp on all the "what ifs" but, in my opinion, all of our presidents have shown themselves to be great men, in one way or another, despite their flaws. Certainly, some greater than others but I don't think of any of them as bad.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:08:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
He was a genuine war hero, and the last of the patriotic Democrats. He believed in strong national defense, cut taxes, believed in a hard line stance towards communism and he was a supporter of gun rights and the NRA.

Sadly though his assassination (along with MLKs) are probably the two largest events that brought us modern gun control in the US.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:10:25 AM EDT
The REAL JFK ran as a hawk in the cold war, claimed we had a non-existant "missile gap" with the Soviet Union; he was for defense spending. Was an NRA life member murdered by an ACLU member and self described Marxist. The whole "Camelot" legend started after his death, when Jackie said they listened to records of the musical. He was the first President born in the 20th century, so after his death young baby-boomers like Oliver Stone projected all kinds of things into what he would have done had he lived. The Obama crowd would never have supported a Senator with JFK's beliefs today as President.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:11:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Bloencustoms:
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
He was a genuine war hero, and the last of the patriotic Democrats. He believed in strong national defense, cut taxes, believed in a hard line stance towards communism and he was a supporter of gun rights and the NRA.


Yep. Guy was a democrat, but he's to the right of Bush, McCain, and most of today's Republican party.




Thank you.

More conservative than today's "republicans".

When Obama supporters compare Obama to JFK, I point this little fact out to them. They don't deny it.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:11:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TrojanMan:
He was popular, a great speaker, visually attractive and charismatic.

True, he didn't get to "do" much in office in the short time before his assassination but what he did do was generally positive.


Politics has this habit of being very polarizing. If one side adopts a leader or role model, the other side has a natural inclination to discredit that person in order to attack the other side. Just like every other president, though, JFK was only a man. He had his faults (let's just say sex scandal allegations) but he did some great things as well. You could say that Washington owned slaves or Jefferson banged on of his, or Truman dropped the bomb or Clinton got a piece on the side or FDR abused the term of office or Lincoln divided the states or, or, or... but all these men, with all their flaws and virtues, did what they believed to be right for the country they served.

It's easy to sit back and make criticisms and harp on all the "what ifs" but, in my opinion, all of our presidents have shown themselves to be great men, in one way or another, despite their flaws. Certainly, some greater than others but I don't think of any of them as bad.


Except for Carter;he did what he wanted because what he wanted was the best for the country.The rest of us were just too dumb to see his genius.What a loser.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:14:31 AM EDT
JFK had Clinton's Libido.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:15:59 AM EDT
No hats.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:17:26 AM EDT
Kennedy was more conservative than current republicans...
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:18:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:18:54 AM EDT
Can you imagine what would happen to GWB if he orchestrated the whole Bay of Pigs fiasco?

He would have been impeached, removed, and run out of Washington on a rail.

JFK got a pass.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:20:25 AM EDT
not that I'm a big JFK fan, but:

He'd think Obama should be shot–– not because his skin is dark, but because his politics are red.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:20:39 AM EDT
Sure wasn't because of those Cubans he left to die at the Bay of Pigs..

Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:23:14 AM EDT
Didn't he help Elvis defeat a mummy in the old age home? You know, after they painted him black to disguise his identity?

On a serious note one of my history teachers (Mr. Costello) always said they shot the wrong Kennedy(s), he didn't like Teddy very much. Of course he also told us stories of his Korean War days so he wasn't the average history teacher...
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:25:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By jasonfin1128:
Kennedy was more conservative than current republicans...


That.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:28:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By strat81:
Why was JFK so great?

I'm 27, so I didn't grow up in that era. Why is he considered to be such a great president?


I'm just a little older than you, so I wasn't there either...
but from what I can tell, he was a "rock star".
In exactly all the same ways we're seeing with oblama, probably even moreso.

JFK was young, charismatic, handsome, clean and articulate
I think he actually had some substance though, unlike the current example.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:30:02 AM EDT
"Only the good die young."
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:32:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By callgood:
Originally Posted By USMCTanker:
He wasn't.

Although, he did purchase an M1 rifle from the DCM, so he wasn't all bad....


There's this

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a288/callgood/kennedyquotem16.jpg



Note how JFK articulated the real reason for the 2A, as opposed to some generic "I support your right to own a gun" crap that we hear from the Dems now.

Of course, what a politician says, and what he does.....

Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:34:03 AM EDT
Didn't he have a role in starting the Special Forces?
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:34:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Falar:

I thought his daddy paid for the PT109 story?


The story I've heard is that JFK was asleep at the helm and was the cause of the 'accident'.


Anyways, his inauguration speech stirred America into action and gave the people hope and confidence for the future. I always believed he was the best of the Kennedy's... and Bobby was the one to really fear, much more-so than Teddy. JFK was the last of the good Democrats.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:43:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Lester_Burnham:
Didn't he have a role in starting the Special Forces?


Yes. He wanted to create a unit that could train insurgents around the world to fight off Soviet backed communist forces.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 7:47:56 AM EDT
He is remembered well because his wife (a very, very sharp lady) spent the rest of her life polishing the Camelot myth. Kennedy was smart, but lazy, out of his mind on drugs a lot of the time and in chronic pain the rest of the time, badly unprepared for the position he was in, and is never properly credited for laying the groundwork for LBJ's massive expansion of government. Most of the JFK myth is just that, a myth.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 8:22:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/11/2008 8:22:37 AM EDT by PBIR]
Originally Posted By TearsInRain:
Sure wasn't because of those Cubans he left to die at the Bay of Pigs..





My Grandfather was a pilot for CAT. One of his missions was bombing sugar mills in Cuba.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 8:43:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By bk40:
Originally Posted By Falar:
I thought his daddy paid for the PT109 story?

The story I've heard is that JFK was asleep at the helm and was the cause of the 'accident'.


Both of you provide CREDIBLE proof or else shut your yaps and quit shitting on an American (and Navy) war hero.

Link Posted: 11/11/2008 8:45:37 AM EDT
best thing he did is get shot.


he was a liar, philanderer and associated with the mob.




it's why we CANNOT have BO get assassinated. cannot happen. He'll go from being a socialist piece of shit to some sort of martyr. Can. Not. Happen.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 8:49:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Lester_Burnham:
Didn't he have a role in starting the Special Forces?


He also ordered the creation of the Navy SEALs to have a unit that could conduct operations behind enemy lines and be capable of Sea, Land and Air insertions and extractions.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 8:56:07 AM EDT
Let me point out one thing, that no one has said yet.

Kennedy was a catholic. The first catholic president. There was a lot of resentment to this. There was talk of the pope running the country, and everyone would be required to join the catholic church. As it turned out, all this was bullshit. No one had to join the catholic church, all they had to do was send their kids to Vietnam.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 9:00:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By KA3B:
Originally Posted By bk40:
Originally Posted By Falar:
I thought his daddy paid for the PT109 story?

The story I've heard is that JFK was asleep at the helm and was the cause of the 'accident'.


Both of you provide CREDIBLE proof or else shut your yaps and quit shitting on an American (and Navy) war hero.




I don't know if there is evidence, I've just heard the rumor like everyone else. Considering his father's considerable criminal backround and ties to organized crime I would not be suprised if it was true. I don't think anyone can prove it.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 9:03:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/11/2008 9:05:32 AM EDT by glockO]
The LAST President that really tried to take on the FED. He saw what was coming back then, and tried to expose the SCAM.
He pushed for REAL CHANGE, and got SHOT.
Mess with the MONEY, and prepare for the consequences.
A THREAT to OUR Dollar is a THREAT to OUR nation, as we see from almost every WAR fought.
You can trace it back to OUR Dollar, almost every time.


Look up: Executive Order 11110
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 9:04:01 AM EDT
Damn...

Not one "He was bangin Marilyn Monroe".......

Plus he was a major pill head
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 9:04:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/11/2008 9:05:55 AM EDT by oneeyenurse]
A great man who had a talent for selecting brilliant people to surround him in office. Bobby was the real brains of the outfit but they both had balls. Ignorant morons who weren't alive when he was shouldn't state an opinion. Go back to your Playstation 3's.
Link Posted: 11/11/2008 9:05:27 AM EDT
He authorized wearing the green beret
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