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Posted: 10/19/2008 8:54:43 PM
Does the .mil have special loadings for 22LR?

If so do they have the standard .mil 'M' designations?
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Armored Piercing Incendiary, API 22LR for short.
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Posted: 10/19/2008 9:00:37 PM

Originally Posted By rifleman2000:
Armored Piercing Incendiary, API 22LR for short.


I prefer .22 APIT
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I've never ordered any and I have ordered quite a few odd things to include 9mm hollowpoint, .38 special ball, and .45acp. Would .22lr be a COTS item?
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Posted: 10/19/2008 9:02:16 PM

Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:

Originally Posted By rifleman2000:
Armored Piercing Incendiary, API 22LR for short.


I prefer .22 APIT


Or 22LR HEDP, that stuff is badass.
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Posted: 10/19/2008 9:03:05 PM
is it for rifle M10/22?
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Posted: 10/19/2008 9:05:11 PM
Probably commercial packed into an ammo can and marked up. When I was doing the combat shotgun course in the Marines, we opened the sealed ammo cans and inside was commercial boxes of 12 Ga. Winchester I think, can't remember for sure.
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Posted: 10/19/2008 9:05:52 PM

Originally Posted By rifleman2000:

Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:

Originally Posted By rifleman2000:
Armored Piercing Incendiary, API 22LR for short.


I prefer .22 APIT


Or 22LR HEDP, that stuff is badass.


Clearly the .22APFSDS is the mother of all .22 loads.
9mm? America doesn't speak metric.

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Originally Posted By badfish274:

Originally Posted By rifleman2000:

Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:

Originally Posted By rifleman2000:
Armored Piercing Incendiary, API 22LR for short.


I prefer .22 APIT


Or 22LR HEDP, that stuff is badass.


Clearly the .22APFSDS is the mother of all .22 loads.


Im partial to the .22APMDUIS
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Posted: 10/19/2008 9:18:30 PM
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Originally Posted By Bluewaterheaven:

Originally Posted By badfish274:

Originally Posted By rifleman2000:

Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:

Originally Posted By rifleman2000:
Armored Piercing Incendiary, API 22LR for short.


I prefer .22 APIT


Or 22LR HEDP, that stuff is badass.


Clearly the .22APFSDS is the mother of all .22 loads.


Im partial to the .22APMDUIS


Having fun aren'tcha?

I was just wondering what 22LR was used in their trainers or if there was some sort of sub-sonic loads for suppressed weapons.
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Posted: 10/19/2008 9:18:56 PM

Originally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL:
Does the .mil have special loadings for 22LR?

If so do they have the standard .mil 'M' designations?



Originally Posted By cbsaf:
I've never ordered any and I have ordered quite a few odd things to include 9mm hollowpoint, .38 special ball, and .45acp. Would .22lr be a COTS item?


I was being serious. We get our birdshot Commercial Off The Shelf or COTS. I know 12 Ga. buckshot, 9mm hollowpoint, .38 special, and .45acp all still have a valid NSN and are orderable through the DoD. 12 Ga. birdshot does not have an NSN. We let the guys buy it from a local sporting goods store.

I would bet military .22lr would be the same way if there was no old NSN still active from when the M261 kits and Ruger MKIIs were being used. My guess would be 550 round value packs of any brand.
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What about the .22 sabot?
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Military 22LR

lol wut
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I was on an Army JROTC rifle team in high school, we received military issue .22lr in white boxes for practice and some matches, for close matches our coach would issue Eley Tenex.
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Military 22LR

lol wut


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Posted: 10/19/2008 9:41:59 PM
I don't know about "M" or "Mk" designations but I do know that NALC A086 is .22LR match ammo
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Posted: 10/19/2008 9:47:33 PM
Realistically the the Aguila Sub-Sonic Sniper (SSS) 60gr ammo is probably the only thing i'd ever consider shooting at someone out of a .22lr. Unless there is something else out there I don't know about.
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Posted: 10/19/2008 10:23:37 PM
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The stuff I bought from the CMP was Remington hi-speed 40 grain standard stuff in the yellow and green commercial boxes, 10 bricks to the case.

I recall seeing Winchester T-22 boxes.

I imagine the military will buy anything that meets pressure/velocity/accuracy specs. It is not like it is combat ammo that must be garanteed to work.
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Yes the military buys most 22 ammo commercialy but has contracted for HV and Pistol Match ammo.

Of the ammo I've been issued the contract white box HV is Federal, Pistol Match Winchester.

Ammo is designated ( BALL, CAL. 22 LONG RIFLE )

Comercial ammo.

Eley Tenex
Eley pistol match
1980's white/green box Remington Pistol match
Remington Golden Bullet HV

Only the contract white box HV/SV and Remington Pistol Match were packaged in ammo cans.
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I bought some .22lr Raufoss rounds from a guy at a gunshow. Haven't had to use them yet, fortunately, but if the squirrels around here get uppity, I'm all set.
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Posted: 10/19/2008 10:43:48 PM
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Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By Frost7:

Military 22LR

lol wut


SSS-s


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Pff, that's .50 BMG at long range. Take out a couple targets a mile away, and sometime later, the sound of a faint crackle arrives.

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Originally Posted By cbsaf:

Originally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL:
Does the .mil have special loadings for 22LR?

If so do they have the standard .mil 'M' designations?



Originally Posted By cbsaf:
I've never ordered any and I have ordered quite a few odd things to include 9mm hollowpoint, .38 special ball, and .45acp. Would .22lr be a COTS item?


I was being serious. We get our birdshot Commercial Off The Shelf or COTS. I know 12 Ga. buckshot, 9mm hollowpoint, .38 special, and .45acp all still have a valid NSN and are orderable through the DoD. 12 Ga. birdshot does not have an NSN. We let the guys buy it from a local sporting goods store.

I would bet military .22lr would be the same way if there was no old NSN still active from when the M261 kits and Ruger MKIIs were being used. My guess would be 550 round value packs of any brand.


I have a case [and a couple bricks] of Rem with a NSN # that I got with my M261. It was their 1522 spec ammo. It is actually VERY consistant ammo and I've yet to have even gotten a dud yet. All reports are consistant and it has never failed to cycle the M261. They feed very well also.
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I read a story awhile back on Israeli units using .22LR as a riot suppression technique … They'd basically hang back, look for the people that were inciting the riots, and kneecap 'em. Apparently rioters tend not to stick around when the guys stirring shit up suddenly drop with a popped knee.

See if I can find the story.
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Posted: 10/19/2008 11:03:56 PM

Originally Posted By fxntime:

Originally Posted By cbsaf:

Originally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL:
Does the .mil have special loadings for 22LR?

If so do they have the standard .mil 'M' designations?



Originally Posted By cbsaf:
I've never ordered any and I have ordered quite a few odd things to include 9mm hollowpoint, .38 special ball, and .45acp. Would .22lr be a COTS item?


I was being serious. We get our birdshot Commercial Off The Shelf or COTS. I know 12 Ga. buckshot, 9mm hollowpoint, .38 special, and .45acp all still have a valid NSN and are orderable through the DoD. 12 Ga. birdshot does not have an NSN. We let the guys buy it from a local sporting goods store.

I would bet military .22lr would be the same way if there was no old NSN still active from when the M261 kits and Ruger MKIIs were being used. My guess would be 550 round value packs of any brand.


I have a case [and a couple bricks] of Rem with a MSN # that I got with my M261. It was their 1522 spec ammo. It is actually VERY consistant ammo and I've yet to have even gotten a dud yet. All reports are consistant and it has never failed to cycle the M261. They feed very well also.


What is the NSN and I will look it up when I go back to work.
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Posted: 10/19/2008 11:08:59 PM
Cartridge, Caliber .22, Ball, Long Rifle, DODAC 1305-A086

Cartridge, Caliber .22, Ball, Long Rifle M24, DODAC 1305-A086

Cartridge, Caliber .22, Tracer, Long Rifle M861, DODAC 1305-A090
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Originally Posted By Sinister:
Cartridge, Caliber .22, Ball, Long Rifle, DODAC 1305-A086

Cartridge, Caliber .22, Ball, Long Rifle M24, DODAC 1305-A086

Cartridge, Caliber .22, Tracer, Long Rifle M861, DODAC 1305-A090


Are those two dodics still active?
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Posted: 10/19/2008 11:17:48 PM

Originally Posted By cbsaf:

Originally Posted By fxntime:

Originally Posted By cbsaf:

Originally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL:
Does the .mil have special loadings for 22LR?

If so do they have the standard .mil 'M' designations?



Originally Posted By cbsaf:
I've never ordered any and I have ordered quite a few odd things to include 9mm hollowpoint, .38 special ball, and .45acp. Would .22lr be a COTS item?


I was being serious. We get our birdshot Commercial Off The Shelf or COTS. I know 12 Ga. buckshot, 9mm hollowpoint, .38 special, and .45acp all still have a valid NSN and are orderable through the DoD. 12 Ga. birdshot does not have an NSN. We let the guys buy it from a local sporting goods store.

I would bet military .22lr would be the same way if there was no old NSN still active from when the M261 kits and Ruger MKIIs were being used. My guess would be 550 round value packs of any brand.


I have a case [and a couple bricks] of Rem with a MSN # that I got with my M261. It was their 1522 spec ammo. It is actually VERY consistant ammo and I've yet to have even gotten a dud yet. All reports are consistant and it has never failed to cycle the M261. They feed very well also.


What is the NSN and I will look it up when I go back to work.



Here's the markings.

Contract #DAAA09-78-C-0087
NSN 1305-00-819-6017
RA-79B102-006
L02A2

I'm sure it's civ 1522 stuff but it is the most consistant Rem green box stuff I have EVER shot even with the age of it.
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I have an all white box from some .22 ammo, and on the back printed in black it says Remington.
On the front of the box, is printed:

1305-01-257-2559-A106
50 CTG CAL 22 LR SV

RA-95D001-064

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I've been shooting up my stock of these Remington White Box:

1305-01-257-2559-A106
500 Cartridges, Cal .22 Long Rifle Standard Velocity
RA-94K001-025

CMP sold these at a penny apiece in 500 round bricks, 5,000 round boxes.
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I'll look up dodics A086, A090, and A106 and NSNs 1305-00-819-6017 and 1305-01-257-2559 when I go into work and see if I can still order them.
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The classic suppressed 10/22 picture.
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Originally Posted By cbsaf:
I'll look up dodics A086, A090, and A106 and NSNs 1305-00-819-6017 and 1305-01-257-2559 when I go into work and see if I can still order them.


The Remington HV Golden bullet ammo has suffered from bad storage, it is stored in factory cardboard cases. expect alot of tarnished ammo and duds. Best avoided.

Winchester white box contract HV ( subcontracted to Federal ) is better and comes in 5100 cans but also is old and most of bullets have lead oxidation.

Winchester Pistol match is still in system , that is what we get consistantly every year.
Good stuff in both pistols and rifles.

NSN 1305-00-585-4945 A09 . Can on bottom, get this stuff if you can.


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www.ruger1022.com/images/Israeli_ruger-3_250.jpg


I bought a bunch of Israeli surplus .22lr, it was Winchester T-22 marked with hebrew packaging. Good shooting stuff.
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CMP sold some 22lr ammo they got from the mil that was Winchester 22T ammo.
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Iv'e heard there was alot of actual jacketed .22 ammo in use in the day.
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Originally Posted By LoneWolf545:
I was on an Army JROTC rifle team in high school, we received military issue .22lr in white boxes for practice and some matches, for close matches our coach would issue Eley Tenex.


Same here. We went through 50,000 rounds of Olin-Winchester white box (equivalent to T22) and 10,000 rounds of Eley Tenex each year. It was a hell of way to spend 2nd period 5 days a week for Sophomore, Junior, and Senior years
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Originally Posted By tangeant:

Originally Posted By cbsaf:
I'll look up dodics A086, A090, and A106 and NSNs 1305-00-819-6017 and 1305-01-257-2559 when I go into work and see if I can still order them.


The Remington HV Golden bullet ammo has suffered from bad storage, it is stored in factory cardboard cases. expect alot of tarnished ammo and duds. Best avoided.

Winchester white box contract HV ( subcontracted to Federal ) is better and comes in 5100 cans but also is old and most of bullets have lead oxidation.

Winchester Pistol match is still in system , that is what we get consistantly every year.
Good stuff in both pistols and rifles.

NSN 1305-00-585-4945 A09 . Can on bottom, get this stuff if you can.




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Originally Posted By NAM:
Iv'e heard there was alot of actual jacketed .22 ammo in use in the day.


It was made during WW2 for use in High Standards to comply with the Conventions banning lead bullets. Very Very Rare stuff and highly collectable.
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Originally Posted By AshNH:
I read a story awhile back on Israeli units using .22LR as a riot suppression technique … They'd basically hang back, look for the people that were inciting the riots, and kneecap 'em. Apparently rioters tend not to stick around when the guys stirring shit up suddenly drop with a popped knee.

See if I can find the story.


I thought they aimed for the dick?

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Originally Posted By NAM:
Iv'e heard there was alot of actual jacketed .22 ammo in use in the day.


It was made during WW2 for use in High Standards to comply with the Conventions banning lead bullets. Very Very Rare stuff and highly collectable.


I'm pretty sure he was talking about 5.56
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Special Forces assassins use .22LR because the bullets ricochet off the skull and bounce around in the brain.
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Originally Posted By Debo75:

Originally Posted By tangeant:

Originally Posted By NAM:
Iv'e heard there was alot of actual jacketed .22 ammo in use in the day.


It was made during WW2 for use in High Standards to comply with the Conventions banning lead bullets. Very Very Rare stuff and highly collectable.


I'm pretty sure he was talking about 5.56


Nope. Pretty sure i was talking about jacketed .22LR.

Jacketed 5.56 isn't exactly uncommon....
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The one box of military .22 I've got reads:

50 CARTRIDGES
BALL, CAL. .22
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Posted: 10/21/2008 7:11:32 AM

Originally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL:
Does the .mil have special loadings for 22LR?

If so do they have the standard .mil 'M' designations?


Although I've never used it, they do make a 22lr conversion kit like the Ciener kit for training, that uses 22lr. I believe it was for use on smaller indoor ranges that many armories have in the basement, designed for pistols.
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Posted: 10/21/2008 12:24:53 PM
The Military did have a .22 cartridge with an "M" designation.

Cartridge, Caliber .22, Ball, Long Rifle, M24.
DODAC: 1305-A089
The cartridge is intended for use against small game for survival purposes.

It is shown in TM 43-0001-27, and classified as obsolete. The drawing shows what appears to be a jacket on the bullet, and a bullet shape that is different from "normal" .22 LR bullets.
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Posted: 10/21/2008 5:54:18 PM
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Originally Posted By cbsaf:

Originally Posted By Sinister:
Cartridge, Caliber .22, Ball, Long Rifle, DODAC 1305-A086

Cartridge, Caliber .22, Ball, Long Rifle M24, DODAC 1305-A086

Cartridge, Caliber .22, Tracer, Long Rifle M861, DODAC 1305-A090


Are those two dodics still active?


I looked it up today and dodics A086 and A090 are still in the system and are suitable subs for each other. Not only are they still in the system able to be ordered, but there are tons of them physically out there.

So there you go. Military .22lr does exist and is just standard Remington ball ammo.