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Posted: 12/5/2001 7:13:21 PM EDT
I know someone will say I should do this privately by email. Well I pretty much do everything in the open and see no reason to stop now. And more importantly I don’t have anything bad to say that should be kept private.
About a month ago after a misunderstanding, I prepared to excuse myself from AR-15.com. This was in large part due to a misunderstanding between myself and anitUSSA. A “few” moderators told me to just ignore it and it was you who told me “Don’t let them win”, and encouraged me to remain. I have since resolved the issue between antiUSSA and myself as the misunderstanding that it was. I was assured that nothing really has or will change. I was a member of the “old” board under the username Arminius. I remember hardly ever posting because of how “wild” the crowd was. I almost left as soon as I became a member and it was Duffypoo who convinced me not to leave. In that time, I haven’t changed but AR-15.com certainly has. A month ago I was very concerned that I really didn’t fit in with the new “kinder and gentler” more family oriented forum. It was for this reason that I decided to just walk away. I had no ill feeling towards the forum, I just felt that I would be out of place. But it was you who convinced me to stay. You told me nothing was wrong with what I posted and I should not have deleted my post history. You told me the ideas put forth in the chat room were not a done deal. In short you told me nothing really changed and I was stupid for thinking I should leave. I also have posted with far less frequency than before the “anti” incident. I am sorry Babe of the Day has caused you so much grief. I’m sorry members take this post as far past the limits as they same to take every post. BOTD being so popular it is more recognized when abused. If I started trouble on “Sig vs. Glock” it would take a lot for it to get locked or even noticed. I was made aware that I have been the subject of much controversy in the moderator forum. That is unfortunate. I would have done anything asked by you. I was not aware of the “only one babe topic” decision when I made my reply post to BigPig last night. Had I been privy to your wishes I would have understood. Again, you only had to ask. And I’d also like to point out that many “babe” threads were not mine, even the current one. I tried to only have one going at a time. Also, as I became aware of the problems associated with BOTD I tried to correct it with SteyrAUGs Perfect 10s. If you read the first line of this post, you would see that I tried to create a “babe” topic more in line with the “new” AR-15.com. And when this one was seemingly arbitrarily locked without cause I blew a fuse. I could use the “in a bad mood” defense but it has been taken. |
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On to the topic of BigPig. You have chosen to stand by your moderator and his “just in case” decision. I have chosen to stand by my current assessment of him as a moderator. That would be the former “unedited” assessment.
I should also explain my motivation for why I do things a certain way. My Grandfather was the most honest person I ever knew. I spend my life trying to be just like him, usually falling very short. He was the kind of guy who would post pictures of guns on a porno site. But he was also as loyal as he was honest. He was also kind of a wild card. He also would have called BigPig a “f*cking sh*tbag assh*le.” At the end of the war some Johnny Church do gooder came out and painted over the nose art on their B-24 bomber. He was at least as pissed as I was last night. I think we both reacted in a similar manner. I think he would have approved of my actions. Also I really don’t have a compulsive need to do “babe” threads as has been suggested by some of my detractors. The original was really the only fun one for me. The rest I did for the members because it was popular. If I didn’t start one, someone else would. A quick check will show I only ever actively participated in the original. I would like to close by thanking you for the forum and it’s use. I’m sorry it went like this. I’d like to have my account reactivated, I learned how useful this forum is on 9-11. I’d like to have it in times of crisis and need, or if I ever want to know how to install a buttstock. But even with my account restored I just can’t see posting on a regular basis anymore. I just don’t see my fitting in with the new AR-15.com. But no matter what you do you should restore Shooter65s account. I think he was just messing with you and meant nothing by it. AR-15.com really needs an official “court jester”, someone who can point out when the mods and staff are nuts without fear of consequences. Not that I am nominating Shooter65 for that position. But he just got married, consider it a wedding present to restore his account. And to my supporters “Thanks.” But don’t do anything stupid on my account I won’t be a regular fixture anymore no matter what GB does. So don’t get yourselves banned on my account. To my detractors, a big healthy “screw you” I didn’t like you then and I don’t see cause to get all mushy now. Oh I forgot “waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!” And I’m sure you’ll talk about me when I’m gone. -Rodney Dangerfield (My other role model, who seems to have studied under my Grandfather) Again, posted on my wifes account. |
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He said he was sorry. He explained his actions for those he wont apologize for. Come on, GB... he still wants to play, contribute, and fellowship. No need for these monumental splits, pied pipers, overdramatized blah blah blah. I know this is not a democracy, but if I could vote, I'd vote to let him back in.
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Steyr,
I always enjoyed your posts. Regardless of what some of the others felt they were fun. Don't be a stranger! Your up there on my list of guys to buy a beer for. I appear to be one of the few that believes BigPig blew it last night and i still stand by that. His lock and refusal to accept responsibility shows his character. mike |
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Because doing things privatly behind closed doors causes discontent. Just like your city council meeting close session. The public just does not like it when things are done behind closed secret doors. Same here.
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Quoted: At the end of the war some Johnny Church do gooder came out and painted over the nose art on their B-24 bomber. View Quote I'm assuming since this is your grandfather and knowing you are older than I, it was probably WW1 or WW2? (the type of bomber should tell but I don't know) This Johnny Church, did he have a thing for .30-06 rifles? and if it happened to be WW1 did he have a nickname like BARman or 1903Man? No offense meant to anyone, I like all here. I if I didn't I'd tell ya! FREE STEYRAUG! |
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I haven’t changed but AR-15.com certainly has. View Quote I'll agree with that. I think it happened about the time the scat pictures were posted and the General Firearm Discussion group was created. I don't know what it is, but things aren't as interesting. I've been posting more often lately, because just reading the posts hasn't been as much fun as it used to be.z |
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Quoted: Hmmm...I wonder why this couldn't have been done via email?? View Quote |
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Its of little matter now but, I agree with you.
Ai Quoted: BigPig blew it last night... His lock and refusal to accept responsibility shows his character. mike View Quote |
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Hey SteyrAUG, no hard feelins. If you want another account, just use another E-mail address and get one. Seems pretty simple to me, McUZI did it a million times.
You could use the name: "I_LUV_ATTENTION", and we will all know it is you. [;D] [b]Kurtz[/b] |
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Confederate, you make an outstanding point. It seems like every time SA has an altercation with someone, rather than settle it quietly through email, he'd rather play the martyr and parade his poor plight in front of the masses. I wonder why that is??
BTW- One more word out of you Hineline, and you're out 60 bux. |
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I'll second that non-vote. Though he has annoyed me a time or two, his post was right on and I bear him no ill will! I am absolutely certain I annoy several people - and rather often!!
The board IS too PC at times, Goatboy included. All concerned have allowed temper to overrule reason - a bad thing. Cchildren have spats over emotional reactions - adults resort to reason, even if it is the next day when reason comes to them! Some mods DO over react and create problems. Not a fatal fault, just bad judgement that needs re-examined in the light of day. If you exercise judgement on a regular basis then you WILL make errors in same. That is why there are appeals and rehearings. Three wrongs do NOT make a right. |
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Damnit! Steyr has been the only fed who hasn't been mean or threatened me with jail if I didn't turn informant.
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This like Gun Control here. Whenever some idiot goes and blows away a bunch of people with an illegal MG, there are calls for more Gun Control.
Apparantly, it works the same here. One to two complete assholes, Scatman and IiIiIiIi posted some pictures that were both disturbing and well beyond the rules. They were locked and from what GB said, their ISP was notified. That should have been the end of it. They violated the rules, they were punished. Instead much like HCI, the mods began cracking down and making the rules really strict. Don't get this wrong: What the mods are doing and what HCI is doing are no different. Also, who else believes that preventing a crime requires making rules as you go. Oh yeah, it is HCI, et al. |
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I'm sorry, why do this in public again?
Who are you really trying to convince? Who is the real audience for this apology or pleading meant for? I'm confused, the old board was "too wild" yet you continue to stir up hate and discontent here. I don't often recall many calling moderator's f'ing a'holes on the old board. Can you answer the question why even have a babe of the day thread here? I know that you said that you're only doing it because they're just so darn popular. Please, I want the truth. Search your soul and give an honest answer. I've been posting under this name since day one of the old board and though my memory isn't perfect, it is darn close, I never remember seeing the babe of the day thread there yet you say that this is the new family oriented board. What gives with that? I would argue that this is the adult oriented board. If your grandfather was an honest man that was something good to learn from him but if he swore like a drunken sailor on shore leave that's not something to take up just because he was also honest. Can you see the difference between them? Calling someone a f'ing a'hole speaks volumes about the person doing the name calling. I promise you that you wouldn't get away with saying that to me or many others here more than once thru the same set of teeth. Just how do half naked photographs of female models copied from another web site add to the wealth of knowledge on the AR-15 or any firearm? I've seen this type of behavior many times at military disipline review boards so pardon if the posted questions here come off a bit too hard or pointed. There is a deeper issue here that AUG is not addressing to himself that needs to be solved before he can address his public behavior here. |
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Quoted: This like Gun Control here. Whenever some idiot goes and blows away a bunch of people with an illegal MG, there are calls for more Gun Control. Apparantly, it works the same here. One to two complete assholes, Scatman and IiIiIiIi posted some pictures that were both disturbing and well beyond the rules. They were locked and from what GB said, their ISP was notified. That should have been the end of it. They violated the rules, they were punished. Instead much like HCI, the mods began cracking down and making the rules really strict. Don't get this wrong: What the mods are doing and what HCI is doing are no different. Also, who else believes that preventing a crime requires making rules as you go. Oh yeah, it is HCI, et al. View Quote Dude your brilliant! I thought we were nazis, I can never keep it straight. Thanks - ban guns, ban posters - same thing. |
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Regardless of who was right and who was wrong...
Regardless of who said what and who didn't... Regardless of everything else surrounding this post.. I think SteyrAUG is a stand up guy who has contributed to this site greatly, if not more than most registered users on this board. It doesn't matter if I think he should be let to come back here. It's not my decision to make, it's GB's. GB has always been more than fair with all of us and I will respect his decision either way. I will say that Steyr's contributions to this site will be greatly missed, and I think I speak for a lot of the people here when I say that. Steyr, You still have a lot of friends here don't forget that. You can always feel free to e-mail me. We have exchanged a few e-mails in the past, mostly jokes and crap but still brought me some type of enjoyment after coming home from a long day at work. Thank you for that and good luck to you in whatever you do and take care. John |
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Quoted: Confederate, you make an outstanding point. It seems like every time SA has an altercation with someone, rather than settle it quietly through email, he'd rather play the martyr and parade his poor plight in front of the masses. I wonder why that is?? BTW- One more word out of you Hineline, and you're out 60 bux. View Quote Don i'm not trying to flame but that was just a bit rude. I know you and david have problems but he has the right to voice a reasoned opinion. |
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Beer Slayer, I didn't take it as a flame. This was said just because of Hineline's habit of piling on whenever he sees a fight someone else has started. I wasn't being rude, just being honest.
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Hineine Says this
Because doing things privatly behind closed doors causes discontent. Just like your city council meeting close session. The public just does not like it when things are done behind closed secret doors. Same here. View Quote And Don says this BTW- One more word out of you Hineline, and you're out 60 bux. View Quote It seems as though the Staff 'round here has some serious contempt for the user base as of late. |
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Quoted: BTW- One more word out of you Hineline, and you're out 60 bux. View Quote Don, I have been waiting for one of the staff or Goatboy himself to answer my question on this page: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=75368&page=2[/url] Is it reasonable to assume that this reply of yours is what I think it is? riddler |
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Why do so many people idolize SA or think he is some great contributor? Like we just couldn't survive without BOTD threads or the Hedo war. Please.
Geez, if you don't like the rules here, is the door really that hard to find? |
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Quoted: Beer Slayer, I didn't take it as a flame. This was said just because of Hineline's habit of piling on whenever he sees a fight someone else has started. I wasn't being rude, just being honest. View Quote So you threaten to have his PAYED IN FULL membership pulled? Comments like this KILL memberships fast. I guess i'll be next on the hit list since i and a very few others seem to be the only ones "complaining". |
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Well isn't that cute, StyerAUG is mad at me. Gee, I feel soooo special!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, stop your whining, and grow up. Give this crap a rest, and get your priorities striaght. DonR is right as usual, poor old SA must be a martyr, he just can't have it any other way. How truly sad that the "right" to post some sluts on a gun site is more important to you people than fighting for your gun rights. If only you put the same effort into the latter as you people put into the former, maybe we'd have an easier time. |
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Quoted: I'm certain that SteyrAug has half a clue and will email Juan off-line and out of our public viewing... View Quote Sorry Paul, he didn't even find the half of a clue we were hoping for. [size=6]All YOUR STEYRAUGS ARE BELONG TO US![/size=6] Tyler |
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When I joined the Navy 21 years ago it was a different Navy. After a week in the fleet I had an outside divisions senior chief (E-8) with his hands around my neck choking the breath out of me because I couldn't complete a task for which I wasn't trained for nor even begun to guess how to do correctly. My own chief (E-7) walks into the compartment and says "hi Mark" and continues into his office to have a smoke.
When the senior got done resizing my chicken neck and had left my chief asked me if I had learned anything. Being a 21 year old know-it-all I said no, that the senior hadn't taught me anything about my task. The chief asked me again that same question and looked hard at me. I thought about it and answered back not to have an argument with a chief even if I knew that I was right and he was wrong. He smiled and I think he knew I was worth keeping and training (thanks). If you win the argument and lose the respect of your superiors who really lost? "Never fight a bear in his cave" someone taught me last night. Some here really resent that they're moderators here at all and look to slam them at the first chance they get trying to provoke a response that will prove that the moderators aren't worthy of the power that they have. Just like a 3 year old who continues on his way when dad says to stop over and over again the posters will poke and prod looking for that button to push. You can pick these people out on a playground, board room, division muster, or internet site. The advantage at a divisional muster is that I can ask them if they've learned anything and look at them hard. Here across the Internet these know-it-alls never learn a thing. They give no respect to the moderators, and get none in return. I'm not here to win friends and influence people but to have fun and learn something from time to time about the finest semi-automatic rifle in the world. There are plenty here who are here to win friends and influence people without regards to the rules or the moderators. There are many ways to handle this - basically the right way that men would handle it and the way kids would handle this on a playground... guess where we're at now? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Beer Slayer, I didn't take it as a flame. This was said just because of Hineline's habit of piling on whenever he sees a fight someone else has started. I wasn't being rude, just being honest. View Quote So you threaten to have his PAYED IN FULL membership pulled? Comments like this KILL memberships fast. I guess i'll be next on the hit list since i and a very few others seem to be the only ones "complaining". View Quote I don't have a dog in this fight, but I have to agree with The_Beer_Slayer. I personally don't like a lot of what Hineline posts but Don's post is way out of line. David's post violated no rules of any kind yet he is threatened. |
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Don R, it is YOU that need to be exterminated in an extreme fashion. You are such a LITTLE man you just jump on the bandwagon of banning accounts (we all know you are the one banning) at the slightest hint of someone disagreeing with you. You'd be fragged in a New York minute in a war.
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Quoted: Well isn't that cute, StyerAUG is mad at me. Gee, I feel soooo special! I've said it before, and I'll say it again, stop your whining, and grow up. Give this crap a rest, and get your priorities striaght. DonR is right as usual, poor old SA must be a martyr, he just can't have it any other way. How truly sad that the "right" to post some sluts on a gun site is more important to you people than fighting for your gun rights. If only you put the same effort into the latter as you people put into the former, maybe we'd have an easier time. View Quote "Rights" & "Fighting" for them....I'm all for it! But, I thought this site was also a place for talking with other people that have similar interests and having a little fun.Don't we all joke around here? If all you want to do here is be serious about everything and not have any entertainment value to this site then get rid of the GD Forum! I think some of the moderators are showing there true colors lately. And from your post above I can see that your a bit childish yourself. To bad you don't have a sense of humor at all...Geeez Guys...This is pretty sad... AR15.com = No fun anymore? |
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Dear SteyrAUG,
Please disregard my earlier statements about changing your name to "I_LUV_ATTENTION". It was childish of me and I was not really thinking when I posted. After reading your pathetic, emotional, crybaby post, I think steyrgirl is a much more appropriate screen name for you to keep using. Your Friend, [b]Kurtz[/b] |
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Quoted: Well isn't that cute, StyerAUG is mad at me. Gee, I feel soooo special! I've said it before, and I'll say it again, stop your whining, and grow up. Give this crap a rest, and get your priorities striaght. DonR is right as usual, poor old SA must be a martyr, he just can't have it any other way. How truly sad that the "right" to post some sluts on a gun site is more important to you people than fighting for your gun rights. If only you put the same effort into the latter as you people put into the former, maybe we'd have an easier time. View Quote No once again you just don't understand it. What we consider important is the right as a CUSTOMER of this site to have a discussion/thread that falls within posted rules left alone. Everyone here has agreed SA response was wrong. However your decision to lock the thread was wrong as well. I'm not pointing fingers just at you. This has occured in a few other threads as well. Threads that had nothing to do with BOTD,pictures or porn. The fact is BOTD was a fun diversion for a few but the majority could have cared less about it. |
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Quoted: Don R, it is YOU that need to be exterminated in an extreme fashion. You are such a LITTLE man you just jump on the bandwagon of banning accounts (we all know you are the one banning) at the slightest hint of someone disagreeing with you. You'd be fragged in a New York minute in a war. View Quote You had better watch with your personal attack. |
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Quoted: Don R, it is YOU that need to be exterminated in an extreme fashion. You are such a LITTLE man you just jump on the bandwagon of banning accounts (we all know you are the one banning) at the slightest hint of someone disagreeing with you. You'd be fragged in a New York minute in a war. View Quote Newbies.... There is a big difference in trying to discuss a valid concern and just plain being a dumbass. Try to learn the difference. |
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I was hoping that this thread might solve something and help clear the air. Obviously it isn't. In amongst the name calling and whining there are some valid comments and questions. Maybe if everyone calmed down and discussed the real issues here instead of trying to get the last word in we might get somewhere.
I will say this. SteyrAUG if you were interested in resolving this issue you would have e-mailed GB. Instead you posted it here knowing full well the reaction it would get. That tells me you have no interest in finding a solution to the problem here. Rather you found another topic to replace your babe of the day thread. |
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Quoted: Well isn't that cute, StyerAUG is mad at me. Gee, I feel soooo special! I've said it before, and I'll say it again, stop your whining, and grow up. Give this crap a rest, and get your priorities striaght. View Quote At the risk of losing my $60, I think you should drop the sarcastic comments. Some people agree with you, but it would appear that some don't. It seems to me that taking the higher road would be more appropriate since there might be some question as to how appropriate it was for you to lock the thread before any rules were violated. Quoted: No once again you just don't understand it. What we consider important is the right as a CUSTOMER of this site to have a discussion/thread that falls within posted rules left alone. View Quote Does anyone else think that an important point has been brought up here??? Or am I the only one on BeerSlayers wavelength. As paying members, shouldn't we also be treated somewhat as customers?? No, I am NOT saying that there has to be a poll or vote taken, but if paying members are not complaining, and there isn't a CLEAR violation of the rules, then why react/lock? Quoted: DonR is right as usual, poor old SA must be a martyr, he just can't have it any other way. How truly sad that the "right" to post some sluts on a gun site is more important to you people than fighting for your gun rights. If only you put the same effort into the latter as you people put into the former, maybe we'd have an easier time. View Quote And just exactly who says that the right to post sluts is more important?? Just because we don't get on here and spout pro-gun arguments??? Why the HELL would we??? Wouldn't it be a logical assumption that pretty damn near everyone on here is pro-gun, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-Constitution??? Maybe some of us take time off from our day jobs as Supreme Gun-Rights Supporters And Activists Who Are Solely Charged With The Task Of Saving Our Country From Commie Liberals to come here and just chill. Maybe to clear our heads of all the idiotic rantings of the anti's. As Sgt. Hulka said.... Lighten up Francis. (expecting some crap for this.....) WWoodworth |
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BOTD sure did have a lot of activity for just a couple of people...
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Quoted: Quoted: Don R, it is YOU that need to be exterminated in an extreme fashion. You are such a LITTLE man you just jump on the bandwagon of banning accounts (we all know you are the one banning) at the slightest hint of someone disagreeing with you. You'd be fragged in a New York minute in a war. View Quote Newbies.... There is a big difference in trying to discuss a valid concern and just plain being a dumbass. Try to learn the difference. View Quote Been around these boards longer than you...and I guarantee that. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Don R, it is YOU that need to be exterminated in an extreme fashion. You are such a LITTLE man you just jump on the bandwagon of banning accounts (we all know you are the one banning) at the slightest hint of someone disagreeing with you. You'd be fragged in a New York minute in a war. View Quote Those are fighting words. You haven't been here long enough to know your ass from a good fragging. Your name suits you. [-!-] View Quote Your usual productive self I see... Little hint little man, the dates of registration can be a bit deceiving sometimes. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Those are fighting words. You haven't been here long enough to know your ass from a good fragging. Your name suits you. [-!-] View Quote Your usual productive self I see... Little hint little man, the dates of registration can be a bit deceiving sometimes. View Quote So you're saying you [b]should[/b] know your ass from a good fragging? Again, then--[-!-] Edited to add: Hatebreed, you ain't worth it. |
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Quoted: Beer Slayer, I didn't take it as a flame. This was said just because of Hineline's habit of piling on whenever he sees a fight someone else has started. I wasn't being rude, just being honest. View Quote So Hineline's response was offensive???? In what way??????? It seemed like a reasoned & legitimate point of view! And your response was the same??????????? A threat to revoke his membership for expressing a legitmate opnion????????? |
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Quoted: Because doing things privatly behind closed doors causes discontent. Just like your city council meeting close session. The public just does not like it when things are done behind closed secret doors. Same here. View Quote Yeah! What he said! |
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Quoted: Quoted: Confederate, you make an outstanding point. It seems like every time SA has an altercation with someone, rather than settle it quietly through email, he'd rather play the martyr and parade his poor plight in front of the masses. I wonder why that is?? BTW- One more word out of you Hineline, and you're out 60 bux. View Quote Don i'm not trying to flame but that was just a bit rude. I know you and david have problems but he has the right to voice a reasoned opinion. View Quote Yeah! What Beer_Slayer said! |
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Quoted: Hineine Says this Because doing things privatly behind closed doors causes discontent. Just like your city council meeting close session. The public just does not like it when things are done behind closed secret doors. Same here. View Quote And Don says this BTW- One more word out of you Hineline, and you're out 60 bux. View Quote Jeez! Here I was all enthused about sending in my $60 to Support a site that I gleaned useful information from & plenty of free entertainment, yet when a paying member expresses a legitimate opinion he is threatend? GREAT way to recruit new members! Maybe I should have kept my $60 for AR mags! Then they could threaten to ban me for free! |
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Quoted: Hmmm...I wonder why this couldn't have been done via email?? View Quote ... However this came from the heart, and it certainly came across as one moderate way of summerizing things that happened last night. I for one, hope [b]SteyrAUG[/b] can find his way back somehow. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don R, it is YOU that need to be exterminated in an extreme fashion. You are such a LITTLE man you just jump on the bandwagon of banning accounts (we all know you are the one banning) at the slightest hint of someone disagreeing with you. You'd be fragged in a New York minute in a war. View Quote Newbies.... There is a big difference in trying to discuss a valid concern and just plain being a dumbass. Try to learn the difference. View Quote Been around these boards longer than you...and I guarantee that. View Quote McUzi...I_Love_Carrots Is that you? Welcome Back! Okay...I had to do that...someone else would have I am sure of. I don't want to get in the middle of an argument that I really don't give a crap about...but I thought my comment was FUNNY! medcop |
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My opinion: Not ALL conflict is bad. Conflict causes change, sometimes for the better. It will be interesting to see how this deal pans out......... [thinking] |
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EXACTLY, cnatra! And people wonder why there are so many lurkers, as opposed to members...
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