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Posted: 12/5/2001 7:13:21 PM EDT
I know someone will say I should do this privately by email. Well I pretty much do everything in the open and see no reason to stop now. And more importantly I don’t have anything bad to say that should be kept private. About a month ago after a misunderstanding, I prepared to excuse myself from AR-15.com. This was in large part due to a misunderstanding between myself and anitUSSA. A “few” moderators told me to just ignore it and it was you who told me “Don’t let them win”, and encouraged me to remain. I have since resolved the issue between antiUSSA and myself as the misunderstanding that it was. I was assured that nothing really has or will change. I was a member of the “old” board under the username Arminius. I remember hardly ever posting because of how “wild” the crowd was. I almost left as soon as I became a member and it was Duffypoo who convinced me not to leave. In that time, I haven’t changed but AR-15.com certainly has. A month ago I was very concerned that I really didn’t fit in with the new “kinder and gentler” more family oriented forum. It was for this reason that I decided to just walk away. I had no ill feeling towards the forum, I just felt that I would be out of place. But it was you who convinced me to stay. You told me nothing was wrong with what I posted and I should not have deleted my post history. You told me the ideas put forth in the chat room were not a done deal. In short you told me nothing really changed and I was stupid for thinking I should leave. I also have posted with far less frequency than before the “anti” incident. I am sorry Babe of the Day has caused you so much grief. I’m sorry members take this post as far past the limits as they same to take every post. BOTD being so popular it is more recognized when abused. If I started trouble on “Sig vs. Glock” it would take a lot for it to get locked or even noticed. I was made aware that I have been the subject of much controversy in the moderator forum. That is unfortunate. I would have done anything asked by you. I was not aware of the “only one babe topic” decision when I made my reply post to BigPig last night. Had I been privy to your wishes I would have understood. Again, you only had to ask. And I’d also like to point out that many “babe” threads were not mine, even the current one. I tried to only have one going at a time. Also, as I became aware of the problems associated with BOTD I tried to correct it with SteyrAUGs Perfect 10s. If you read the first line of this post, you would see that I tried to create a “babe” topic more in line with the “new” AR-15.com. And when this one was seemingly arbitrarily locked without cause I blew a fuse. I could use the “in a bad mood” defense but it has been taken.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:14:37 PM EDT
On to the topic of BigPig. You have chosen to stand by your moderator and his “just in case” decision. I have chosen to stand by my current assessment of him as a moderator. That would be the former “unedited” assessment. I should also explain my motivation for why I do things a certain way. My Grandfather was the most honest person I ever knew. I spend my life trying to be just like him, usually falling very short. He was the kind of guy who would post pictures of guns on a porno site. But he was also as loyal as he was honest. He was also kind of a wild card. He also would have called BigPig a “f*cking sh*tbag assh*le.” At the end of the war some Johnny Church do gooder came out and painted over the nose art on their B-24 bomber. He was at least as pissed as I was last night. I think we both reacted in a similar manner. I think he would have approved of my actions. Also I really don’t have a compulsive need to do “babe” threads as has been suggested by some of my detractors. The original was really the only fun one for me. The rest I did for the members because it was popular. If I didn’t start one, someone else would. A quick check will show I only ever actively participated in the original. I would like to close by thanking you for the forum and it’s use. I’m sorry it went like this. I’d like to have my account reactivated, I learned how useful this forum is on 9-11. I’d like to have it in times of crisis and need, or if I ever want to know how to install a buttstock. But even with my account restored I just can’t see posting on a regular basis anymore. I just don’t see my fitting in with the new AR-15.com. But no matter what you do you should restore Shooter65s account. I think he was just messing with you and meant nothing by it. AR-15.com really needs an official “court jester”, someone who can point out when the mods and staff are nuts without fear of consequences. Not that I am nominating Shooter65 for that position. But he just got married, consider it a wedding present to restore his account. And to my supporters “Thanks.” But don’t do anything stupid on my account I won’t be a regular fixture anymore no matter what GB does. So don’t get yourselves banned on my account. To my detractors, a big healthy “screw you” I didn’t like you then and I don’t see cause to get all mushy now. Oh I forgot “waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!” And I’m sure you’ll talk about me when I’m gone. -Rodney Dangerfield (My other role model, who seems to have studied under my Grandfather) Again, posted on my wifes account.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:20:31 PM EDT
Hmmm...I wonder why this couldn't have been done via email??
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:21:45 PM EDT
He said he was sorry. He explained his actions for those he wont apologize for. Come on, GB... he still wants to play, contribute, and fellowship. No need for these monumental splits, pied pipers, overdramatized blah blah blah. I know this is not a democracy, but if I could vote, I'd vote to let him back in.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:25:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:27:39 PM EDT
Because doing things privatly behind closed doors causes discontent. Just like your city council meeting close session. The public just does not like it when things are done behind closed secret doors. Same here.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:27:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By steyrgirl: At the end of the war some Johnny Church do gooder came out and painted over the nose art on their B-24 bomber.
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I'm assuming since this is your grandfather and knowing you are older than I, it was probably WW1 or WW2? (the type of bomber should tell but I don't know) This Johnny Church, did he have a thing for .30-06 rifles? and if it happened to be WW1 did he have a nickname like BARman or 1903Man? No offense meant to anyone, I like all here. I if I didn't I'd tell ya! FREE STEYRAUG!
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:29:11 PM EDT
I haven’t changed but AR-15.com certainly has.
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I'll agree with that. I think it happened about the time the scat pictures were posted and the General Firearm Discussion group was created. I don't know what it is, but things aren't as interesting. I've been posting more often lately, because just reading the posts hasn't been as much fun as it used to be.z
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:30:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DonR: Hmmm...I wonder why this couldn't have been done via email??
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Could be because he wanted it this way.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:33:40 PM EDT
Its of little matter now but, I agree with you. Ai
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: BigPig blew it last night... His lock and refusal to accept responsibility shows his character. mike
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Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:35:06 PM EDT
Hey SteyrAUG, no hard feelins. If you want another account, just use another E-mail address and get one. Seems pretty simple to me, McUZI did it a million times. You could use the name: "I_LUV_ATTENTION", and we will all know it is you. [;D] [b]Kurtz[/b]
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:36:36 PM EDT
Confederate, you make an outstanding point. It seems like every time SA has an altercation with someone, rather than settle it quietly through email, he'd rather play the martyr and parade his poor plight in front of the masses. I wonder why that is?? BTW- One more word out of you Hineline, and you're out 60 bux.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:36:59 PM EDT
I'll second that non-vote. Though he has annoyed me a time or two, his post was right on and I bear him no ill will! I am absolutely certain I annoy several people - and rather often!! The board IS too PC at times, Goatboy included. All concerned have allowed temper to overrule reason - a bad thing. Cchildren have spats over emotional reactions - adults resort to reason, even if it is the next day when reason comes to them! Some mods DO over react and create problems. Not a fatal fault, just bad judgement that needs re-examined in the light of day. If you exercise judgement on a regular basis then you WILL make errors in same. That is why there are appeals and rehearings. Three wrongs do NOT make a right.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:37:52 PM EDT
Damnit! Steyr has been the only fed who hasn't been mean or threatened me with jail if I didn't turn informant.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:44:23 PM EDT
This like Gun Control here. Whenever some idiot goes and blows away a bunch of people with an illegal MG, there are calls for more Gun Control. Apparantly, it works the same here. One to two complete assholes, Scatman and IiIiIiIi posted some pictures that were both disturbing and well beyond the rules. They were locked and from what GB said, their ISP was notified. That should have been the end of it. They violated the rules, they were punished. Instead much like HCI, the mods began cracking down and making the rules really strict. Don't get this wrong: What the mods are doing and what HCI is doing are no different. Also, who else believes that preventing a crime requires making rules as you go. Oh yeah, it is HCI, et al.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:45:25 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:47:35 PM EDT
Regardless of who was right and who was wrong... Regardless of who said what and who didn't... Regardless of everything else surrounding this post.. I think SteyrAUG is a stand up guy who has contributed to this site greatly, if not more than most registered users on this board. It doesn't matter if I think he should be let to come back here. It's not my decision to make, it's GB's. GB has always been more than fair with all of us and I will respect his decision either way. I will say that Steyr's contributions to this site will be greatly missed, and I think I speak for a lot of the people here when I say that. Steyr, You still have a lot of friends here don't forget that. You can always feel free to e-mail me. We have exchanged a few e-mails in the past, mostly jokes and crap but still brought me some type of enjoyment after coming home from a long day at work. Thank you for that and good luck to you in whatever you do and take care. John
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:47:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:52:50 PM EDT
Beer Slayer, I didn't take it as a flame. This was said just because of Hineline's habit of piling on whenever he sees a fight someone else has started. I wasn't being rude, just being honest.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:54:04 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 7:59:18 PM EDT
Good riddance to the whiner.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 8:00:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DonR: BTW- One more word out of you Hineline, and you're out 60 bux.
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Don, I have been waiting for one of the staff or Goatboy himself to answer my question on this page: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=75368&page=2[/url] Is it reasonable to assume that this reply of yours is what I think it is? riddler
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 8:03:15 PM EDT
Why do so many people idolize SA or think he is some great contributor? Like we just couldn't survive without BOTD threads or the Hedo war. Please. Geez, if you don't like the rules here, is the door really that hard to find?
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 8:04:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 8:06:39 PM EDT
Well isn't that cute, StyerAUG is mad at me. Gee, I feel soooo special! I've said it before, and I'll say it again, stop your whining, and grow up. Give this crap a rest, and get your priorities striaght. DonR is right as usual, poor old SA must be a martyr, he just can't have it any other way. How truly sad that the "right" to post some sluts on a gun site is more important to you people than fighting for your gun rights. If only you put the same effort into the latter as you people put into the former, maybe we'd have an easier time.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 8:16:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Paul: I'm certain that SteyrAug has half a clue and will email Juan off-line and out of our public viewing...
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Sorry Paul, he didn't even find the half of a clue we were hoping for. [size=6]All YOUR STEYRAUGS ARE BELONG TO US![/size=6] Tyler
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 8:17:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 8:17:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By DonR: Beer Slayer, I didn't take it as a flame. This was said just because of Hineline's habit of piling on whenever he sees a fight someone else has started. I wasn't being rude, just being honest.
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So you threaten to have his PAYED IN FULL membership pulled? Comments like this KILL memberships fast. I guess i'll be next on the hit list since i and a very few others seem to be the only ones "complaining".
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but I have to agree with The_Beer_Slayer. I personally don't like a lot of what Hineline posts but Don's post is way out of line. David's post violated no rules of any kind yet he is threatened.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 8:20:22 PM EDT
Don R, it is YOU that need to be exterminated in an extreme fashion. You are such a LITTLE man you just jump on the bandwagon of banning accounts (we all know you are the one banning) at the slightest hint of someone disagreeing with you. You'd be fragged in a New York minute in a war.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 8:24:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BigPig: Well isn't that cute, StyerAUG is mad at me. Gee, I feel soooo special! I've said it before, and I'll say it again, stop your whining, and grow up. Give this crap a rest, and get your priorities striaght. DonR is right as usual, poor old SA must be a martyr, he just can't have it any other way. How truly sad that the "right" to post some sluts on a gun site is more important to you people than fighting for your gun rights. If only you put the same effort into the latter as you people put into the former, maybe we'd have an easier time.
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"Rights" & "Fighting" for them....I'm all for it! But, I thought this site was also a place for talking with other people that have similar interests and having a little fun.Don't we all joke around here? If all you want to do here is be serious about everything and not have any entertainment value to this site then get rid of the GD Forum! I think some of the moderators are showing there true colors lately. And from your post above I can see that your a bit childish yourself. To bad you don't have a sense of humor at all...Geeez Guys...This is pretty sad... AR15.com = No fun anymore?
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 8:24:55 PM EDT
Dear SteyrAUG, Please disregard my earlier statements about changing your name to "I_LUV_ATTENTION". It was childish of me and I was not really thinking when I posted. After reading your pathetic, emotional, crybaby post, I think steyrgirl is a much more appropriate screen name for you to keep using. Your Friend, [b]Kurtz[/b]
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 8:27:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 8:30:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Misfit: Don R, it is YOU that need to be exterminated in an extreme fashion. You are such a LITTLE man you just jump on the bandwagon of banning accounts (we all know you are the one banning) at the slightest hint of someone disagreeing with you. You'd be fragged in a New York minute in a war.
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You had better watch with your personal attack.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 8:35:04 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/5/2001 9:14:59 PM EDT
BOTD sure did have a lot of activity for just a couple of people...
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 9:20:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By Misfit: Don R, it is YOU that need to be exterminated in an extreme fashion. You are such a LITTLE man you just jump on the bandwagon of banning accounts (we all know you are the one banning) at the slightest hint of someone disagreeing with you. You'd be fragged in a New York minute in a war.
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Newbies.... There is a big difference in trying to discuss a valid concern and just plain being a dumbass. Try to learn the difference.
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Been around these boards longer than you...and I guarantee that.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 9:23:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Originally Posted By Misfit: Don R, it is YOU that need to be exterminated in an extreme fashion. You are such a LITTLE man you just jump on the bandwagon of banning accounts (we all know you are the one banning) at the slightest hint of someone disagreeing with you. You'd be fragged in a New York minute in a war.
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Those are fighting words. You haven't been here long enough to know your ass from a good fragging. Your name suits you. [-!-]
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Your usual productive self I see... Little hint little man, the dates of registration can be a bit deceiving sometimes.
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[Last Edit: 12/5/2001 9:26:04 PM EDT by cnatra]
Originally Posted By DonR: Beer Slayer, I didn't take it as a flame. This was said just because of Hineline's habit of piling on whenever he sees a fight someone else has started. I wasn't being rude, just being honest.
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So Hineline's response was offensive???? In what way??????? It seemed like a reasoned & legitimate point of view! And your response was the same??????????? A threat to revoke his membership for expressing a legitmate opnion?????????
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 9:31:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By David_Hineline: Because doing things privatly behind closed doors causes discontent. Just like your city council meeting close session. The public just does not like it when things are done behind closed secret doors. Same here.
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Yeah! What he said!
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 9:32:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By DonR: Confederate, you make an outstanding point. It seems like every time SA has an altercation with someone, rather than settle it quietly through email, he'd rather play the martyr and parade his poor plight in front of the masses. I wonder why that is?? BTW- One more word out of you Hineline, and you're out 60 bux.
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Don i'm not trying to flame but that was just a bit rude. I know you and david have problems but he has the right to voice a reasoned opinion.
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Yeah! What Beer_Slayer said!
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 9:33:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Maynard: Hineine Says this
Because doing things privatly behind closed doors causes discontent. Just like your city council meeting close session. The public just does not like it when things are done behind closed secret doors. Same here.
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And Don says this
BTW- One more word out of you Hineline, and you're out 60 bux.
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Jeez! Here I was all enthused about sending in my $60 to Support a site that I gleaned useful information from & plenty of free entertainment, yet when a paying member expresses a legitimate opinion he is threatend? GREAT way to recruit new members! Maybe I should have kept my $60 for AR mags! Then they could threaten to ban me for free!
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 9:34:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DonR: Hmmm...I wonder why this couldn't have been done via email??
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... However this came from the heart, and it certainly came across as one moderate way of summerizing things that happened last night. I for one, hope [b]SteyrAUG[/b] can find his way back somehow.
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 9:36:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Misfit:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By Misfit: Don R, it is YOU that need to be exterminated in an extreme fashion. You are such a LITTLE man you just jump on the bandwagon of banning accounts (we all know you are the one banning) at the slightest hint of someone disagreeing with you. You'd be fragged in a New York minute in a war.
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Newbies.... There is a big difference in trying to discuss a valid concern and just plain being a dumbass. Try to learn the difference.
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Been around these boards longer than you...and I guarantee that.
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McUzi...I_Love_Carrots Is that you? Welcome Back! Okay...I had to do that...someone else would have I am sure of. I don't want to get in the middle of an argument that I really don't give a crap about...but I thought my comment was FUNNY! medcop
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 9:37:43 PM EDT
My opinion: Not ALL conflict is bad. Conflict causes change, sometimes for the better. It will be interesting to see how this deal pans out......... [thinking]
Link Posted: 12/5/2001 9:38:09 PM EDT
EXACTLY, cnatra! And people wonder why there are so many lurkers, as opposed to members...
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