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Posted: 11/30/2001 12:42:27 PM EDT
[b]First take the guns, then the country[/b]

[url]http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20011130-31801551.htm[/url]

Anglophiles had best pop over to the Misty Isles for a last
                       experience of Britain before the country is re-
                            duced to an oppressed province of the European Union.
                            Napoleon could not conquer England, nor could Hitler, but
                       Socialist bureaucrats in Brussels have, with help from Tony
                       Blair's New Labor and British nonchalance. Britain is on its
                       way back to the reign of Charles I, with its secret courts and
                       imprisonment without trial or evidence.
                            Once-proud Brits are suffering the indignity of being
                       gradually brought under European law by ministerial edicts that
                       bypass Parliament. Recently, the British lost their ancient
                       system of weights and measures, and now they are on the
                       verge of losing their legal system, the development of which is,
                       essentially, the history of Britain.
                            Although willing to be bullied along the path to European
                       integration, the British steadfastly have held on to their justice
                       system. And for good reason.
                            Historically, English law has been a shield of the people,
                       standing in stark contrast to Europe's Napoleonic criminal law,
                       which does not safeguard law against its use by government as
                       a weapon.
                            English law does not permit police to arrest citizens without
                       evidence or to hold them more than 48 hours without
                       presenting charges in open court. [b]The European system
                       permits police to arrest citizens on suspicion and to detain them
                       indefinitely while preparing a case against them.
                            Moreover, the accused European has no right to see the
                       evidence against him, no right to a jury trial and no right to an
                       open court. His case is decided by a professional judge, whose
                       career and advancement is dependent on the state that brings
                       the case.
                            Under European law, there is no presumption of innocence
                       or protection against double jeopardy. The accused can be
                       subjected to repeated trials on the same charges until the state
                       wins a guilty verdict.[/b]
Link Posted: 11/30/2001 12:43:09 PM EDT
[#1]
The English fought a civil war to rid themselves of such an
                       oppressive "justice system," and now in a sweep of
                       anti-terrorism hysteria the Blair government is sponsoring a
                       "terrorism bill" that signs away the English birthright.
                            The Anti-Terrorism, Crime and Security Bill currently
                       moving through Parliament contains a provision that removes
                       Parliament from the decision to replace English law with
                       Europe's Corpus Juris. Unless Parliament rejects this provision,
                       the EU Council of Ministers in Brussels, with the concurrence
                       of the British Home Secretary, can vote away English legal
                       protections and replace Habeas Corpus with the Napoleonic
                       code.
                            The British also face the unpleasant prospect of being tried
                       by European prosecutors for offenses that are not crimes in
                       Britain. A few days ago, Law Lord Richard Scott asked the
                       government to give more careful thought to the European
                       arrest warrant. The warrant does not require evidence and
                       would permit British citizens to be extradited to Europe for
                       interrogation should they be suspected of crimes such as
                       racism and xenophobia (fear or hatred of foreigners). Surely
                       this spells the end of soccer.
                            Will this direct threat to British liberty cause the Brits to
                       confront honestly the loss of sovereignty required by European
                       integration? Lord Tebbit was succinct on Nov. 1 when he said
                       ratification of the Nice Treaty (European integration) "would
                       be both contrary to Magna Carta and a breach of the
                       Coronation Oath, which sprang from the settlement of 1688"
                       that established the accountability of law.
                            If the British decide to give up sovereignty, they might try
                       for better terms. Why not form a European Union on the basis
                       of English law? This would be a huge gain for all of Europe by
                       bringing English liberties at long last to the Continent. Are the
                       British people so smitten by Europe that they would give up
                       their historic achievements and replace "law as shield" with
                       "law as weapon"?
                            The Labor government has not been honest with the people
                       about the implications of European Union. Instead, Brits have
                       been led down the path with assurances that they can be both
                       British and European. Now that shopkeepers are being
                       arrested for selling by the pint and pound instead of by the liter
                       and kilo, the British might realize that Europe is a threat to their
                       national character and to their liberty.
Link Posted: 11/30/2001 1:29:34 PM EDT
[#2]
No we aren't.
Link Posted: 11/30/2001 1:32:33 PM EDT
[#3]
Ahhh, no.

What do you expect from "subjects".
Link Posted: 11/30/2001 1:37:17 PM EDT
[#4]
Its a good thing the "subjects" have already given up thier right to bear arms over there or they would have to worry about that next! [;)]

[beer]
Link Posted: 11/30/2001 1:48:22 PM EDT
[#5]
Link Posted: 11/30/2001 2:18:43 PM EDT
[#6]
EU have a seperate army?


non-blue lib
Link Posted: 11/30/2001 2:29:30 PM EDT
[#7]
If the correct people in the U.S. make the proposal, then the political party sheeple will accept anything.
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