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Posted: 11/23/2001 9:31:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/23/2001 9:30:04 PM EDT by Imbroglio]
I bet alot of you all will be like Cohen said and welcome this action, especially more since there is a republican leading the charge to "revise" Posse Comitatus. "Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or 'promulgated,' that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this 'scenario', individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."- Dr.Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991 "Terrorism is escalating to the point that Americans soon may have to choose between civil liberties and more intrusive means of protection," says Defense Secretary William S. Cohen. The nation's defense chief told the Army Times he once considered the chilling specter of armored vehicles surrounding civilian hotels or government buildings to block out terrorists as strictly an overseas phenomenon. But no longer. "It could happen here," Cohen said he concluded after 8 months of studying threats under the Pentagon microscope..."The American people should not be concerned about it. They should welcome it."- ARMY TIMES 10/27/98
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 9:32:48 PM EDT
(continued) [url]www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61145-2001Nov20.html[/url] Military Favors a Homeland Command Forces May Shift To Patrolling U.S. By Bradley Graham Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, November 21, 2001; Page A01 The nation's top military authorities favor appointing a four-star commander to coordinate federal troops used in homeland defense, part of a broad reorganization that Pentagon officials say could change some forces' primary mission from waging war overseas to patrolling at home. Although the Pentagon has regional commanders in chief, known as CINCs, who are responsible for Europe, the Pacific, Latin America, and the Middle East and South Asia, none exists for managing the deployment of U.S. forces in the United States. Creating one now, military officials say, would clarify the chain of command for those troops. Any extensive use of federal troops on U.S. soil would come despite a traditional aversion to -- and legal limits on -- the use of military forces for domestic law enforcement. But the Sept. 11 attacks and the Bush administration's declared war on terrorism have blurred the distinction between foreign wars and domestic crimes and prompted a rethinking of the Pentagon's command structure and force assignments. Although Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld has yet to make a final decision, senior military officials working the issue say agreement has been reached on establishing a homeland CINC (pronounced "sink"). "There's a consensus of opinion now that a need exists to quickly pin the rose on some four-star commander," a senior official said. Rather than set up an entirely new command, with all the fresh bureaucracy and expense that would entail, officials have focused on which of several commands already headquartered in the United States could be rejiggered to take on the homeland defense mission. Their deliberations appear to have narrowed into a competition between two candidates, the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) in Colorado and the Joint Forces Command in Virginia. Responsibility for coordinating all federal activities in homeland defense rests with Tom Ridge and the new White House Office of Homeland Security. The purpose of the Pentagon's new four-star assignment would be to consolidate the chain of command running from the president through the secretary of defense to those federal troops enlisted in the defensive effort.
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 9:33:33 PM EDT
(continued) Historically, the Pentagon has seen little reason to earmark forces for homeland defense, let alone designate a major command for the job. In the event of a terrorist attack, the Pentagon's response plan has relied heavily on such local and regional organizations as police, firefighters, medics and hazardous material teams to deal with the consequences. Only as a matter of last resort were federal troops to be summoned to help. But after the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, military forces have been thrust into new domestic security roles. Air Force jets now regularly patrol the skies over U.S. cities. Thousands of National Guard troops are protecting airports and bridges and assisting at border checkpoints. They also were deployed last week to secure the Capitol grounds after the anthrax scare. Such new responsibilities have strained Pentagon resources and raised questions about some lines of command. The air patrols have been run by NORAD. The Joint Forces Command has charge of the maritime approaches to the United States. And many of the National Guard troops have been pressed into action by state governors. "The chain of command is not as clear in the United States as overseas," the senior official said. "We think it's time to clarify things." Among the most urgent questions confronting the new homeland CINC will be which military units should remain allocated for overseas duty and which need to be tagged for more permanent homeland defense assignments. This question is likely to fall heaviest on the National Guard, which has been struggling since the end of the Cold War to find new roles apart from its traditional one of being ready to augment regular troops in a major war overseas. About one-third of the Guard's 358,000 soldiers still constitute eight heavy armored divisions. At the same time, Guard members have started assuming a larger share of overseas peacekeeping assignments, relieving some of the burden on regular troops. Elements of the Virginia Guard's 29th Division, for example, are serving in Bosnia. "One school of thought says we can still do both" foreign and domestic operations, said Army Secretary Tom White. "But the other side says we can't." Addressing a conference last week on the military's role in homeland defense, Ridge said that the administration would look at whether to shift some Guard units and assets. He also said that regular military troops would be deployed to handle domestic terrorist attacks only as "the last resort," noting that the government had plenty of other options short of that.
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 9:34:27 PM EDT
(continued) The idea for a homeland CINC last received high-level Pentagon consideration three years ago, but then-Defense Secretary William S. Cohen quickly dropped it after protests from civil libertarians and right-wing militia groups alike. Critics expressed alarm at the prospect of military forces encroaching on areas traditionally considered the responsibility of civilian emergency response, law enforcement and health agencies. Instead, Cohen sought and received approval from President Bill Clinton to establish a permanent task force headed by a two-star general officer and charged with coordinating the military's response to a chemical or biological attack on the United States. That task force, assigned to the Joint Forces Command, was portrayed as a modest effort to prepare for logistical, medical and enforcement demands likely to be placed on the Pentagon in the event of an attack on the United States. Senior Pentagon officials say times have changed, and at least some of those who were critical of a homeland CINC agree -- up to a point. "We have no objection in principle to the creation of a homeland commander in chief," said Tim Edgar, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "But we're still concerned about the powers he will have, and we'll have strong objections if he's authorized to act in areas better handled by civilian law enforcement." Edgar warned against the danger of "mission creep" and the risk that military forces could end up threatening individual rights. Recent decades offer cautionary tales about the use of the military in domestic law enforcement -- notably in 1957, when the governor of Arkansas employed Guard troops to block black students from entering a Little Rock high school, and in 1970, when Guardsmen opened fire on students at Kent State University protesting the Vietnam War. Legal barriers to sending the armed forces into U.S. streets were imposed by the Posse Comitatus Act in 1878, which was prompted by President Ulysses Grant's use of federal troops to monitor elections in the former Confederate states. The act prohibits military personnel from searching, seizing or arresting people in the United States. Some exceptions already exist, allowing military forces to suppress insurrections or domestic unrest or to assist in crimes involving nuclear, biological or chemical weapons. The bar to military involvement was lowered further in 1986, when President Ronald Reagan directed the Pentagon to assist in the war on drugs. Since Sept. 11, Sen. John W. Warner (R-Va.), the ranking minority member on the Armed Services Committee, has led a push to revise the act. "It's a doctrine that's served us very well," he said at a hearing Oct. 25. "But there comes a time when we've got to reexamine the old laws of the 1800s in light of this extraordinary series of challenges that we're faced with today."
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 9:34:59 PM EDT
(continued) But congressional opinion on the matter is divided, and several senior Pentagon officials expressed little interest in any fundamental overhaul of the act. The move to establish a homeland CINC, officials said, is likely to be followed by geographical and other adjustments in some of the combatant commands under what the Pentagon calls the Unified Command Plan. Rumsfeld has urged the top commanders to think more creatively about how to organize to fight terrorism around the world. A final recommendation on where to assign the homeland role is due to Rumsfeld next month. Officials cited these considerations: The Joint Forces Command already has responsibility for the maritime approaches to North America, plus land defense of the continental United States. It is located near Washington and has a well-developed relationship with National Guard and reserve components, as well as with federal and state agencies. But if this command were to take on homeland defense, its four-star leader probably would have to shed something -- most likely, his role as head of NATO's North Atlantic region. NORAD already has charge of protecting U.S. skies and is running the combat air patrols over the United States. It has an extensive communications, command and control network, as well as a strategic location in the center of the country. But it lacks much experience with the land and sea components that would be essential to the homeland defense job. © 2001 The Washington Post Company
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 9:38:09 PM EDT
The job of military forces - Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines - is to, when ordered, kill people and break things until the other side gives up or is wiped out. They are NOT a police force. Remember the Founding Fathers warnings about the dangers of a standing Army? Prescient f***kers, weren't they?
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 10:09:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 10:16:42 PM EDT
I dunno.
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 11:21:30 PM EDT
2 Jews who not only have fought for this country in the past,,oh well they might have not been close to being in harms way,,oey vay! But I'm sure that that encourage everyone family member of military age to serve this great country! Tought shit!let US rid US of political correctness! The liberal bastards that have been destroying this great country(US) with this B.S. for the past 30 or so years. The control that they have and the buffer that they wish to keep is killing US. This is no lie, we all know whats not only has been going on, but what is. F it, good is good bad is bad. What are we waiting for? The power of Communication can not only save US but kill us, The age of communication has been here for a long time,thank God, "they are filled with the same "dummies out there"
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 12:16:38 AM EDT
Imbroglio,why do you dig up this tripe,dumb a$$? Look you want tell us the Reps would ok UN troops and be cool with them being in the us.........we are the f*ing UN troops! You people are fools,the NG is NOT a police state,this is what they are for. The NG is not the Army there not not the UN but there are the only troops on ANY type in the US doing anything. You nothing but knee jerk bull sh!t for lil. butt weeds like your buddy mr. Brown to go on here,so why should we think you could in anyway know what the hell your are talking about? The Washington Post jacks it's self off with this crap and people like you buy it ever time. There will always be talking about this type of crap,commie and other nut bag libs what this so bad they can't stand it and will always talk about pulling something like this but they KNOW it's there ass. Why do you think it's up to you to save America? are you the only one that only guy able to see this stuff? I know your one of the only people that buy it. People have foe years talked about how GREAT it would be if people gave a damn about America again and how great it would be if people could see though left wing bull,well that what we have right now and some of you are to damnb dumb to see it and use it. The UN is not comming to your town and most of the Fed are still dumb a$$es that reall only f*up stuff cuz therer just fools and not due to them wanting to take of over your lil. life. Keep an eye on them like you would a lil kid but don't act like sky is falling every time there is a lib talking crap on TV or in the post,we don't have that much time here.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 12:26:30 AM EDT
After you graduate the 6th grade and gain a "lil" life experience maybe you will understand. Until then, there are more important things for kids like you to worry your "lil" head about, like Pokemon and Harry Potter.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 12:44:21 AM EDT
To bad you can't fight the truth man,but you did do an ok job with me there. Say some more funny stuff about how you think I'm a kid and maybe nobody will see what a damn fool your.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 6:34:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/24/2001 6:28:12 AM EDT by Ghettoblaster]
The bar to military involvement was lowered further in 1986, when President Ronald Reagan directed the Pentagon to assist in the war on drugs. Since Sept. 11, Sen. John W. Warner (R-Va.), the ranking minority member on the Armed Services Committee, has led a push to revise the act. [b]"It's a doctrine that's served us very well," he said at a hearing Oct. 25. "But there comes a time when we've got to reexamine the old laws of the 1800s in light of this extraordinary series of challenges that we're faced with today."[/b]
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How long till that statement (last paragraph) applies to the 2nd Amendment, or for that matter the 1st, 4th and so on? Somebody hit it on the head elsewhere that, for the most part, nobody wants to argue these are unconstitutional laws being proposed because they don't want to look like they're pro-terrorist.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 6:41:56 AM EDT
That worthless piece-of-shit Kennedy used the Army (Airborne ?) in Little Rock. Laws were not made for the Kennedy's to obey nor the Constitution.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 6:51:58 AM EDT
"The only way for evil to prevail, is for good men to do nothing."
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 7:06:08 AM EDT
Why is it always "right-wing" militias and never "left-wing" civil rights groups? The mainstream media has two political adjectives: "right-wing" and "moderate".
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 7:15:01 AM EDT
You answered your own question Ludwig. The mainstream media has an agenda to attend to and can't be bothered with objectivity and facts.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 7:42:57 AM EDT
It is the media and the politicians that have created the "left-wing and right-wing" debate, that those who do not pay attention will not notice that there is no left and right of freedom. You are either free or your not. NOT FREE-------------------------FREEDOM!!!!! See no left or right.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 8:05:14 AM EDT
ar10er, you seem to follow my posts. What would you have done ? Fired on active duty US Military troops - the U.S. Army ? Not the FBI, not BATF the U.S. ARMY ?
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 8:17:37 AM EDT
5subslr5, I am not touching this one.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 10:17:58 AM EDT
THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 1:03:07 PM EDT
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