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Posted: 11/14/2001 1:55:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/14/2001 1:53:22 PM EST by Imbroglio]
[url]www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=2126[/url] "Public Servants" Going After "Constitutional Terrorists"? by Angel Shamaya November 14, 2001 KeepAndBearArms.com -- The Phoenix Federal Bureau of Investigation created a flyer some time back asking the recipients to help them fight domestic terrorism. I received one of these flyers this past weekend at the Arizona "Freedom in the 21st Century" gathering. The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office (Greater Phoenix, Arizona) and the Maricopa County Attorney were placed on the flyer, as well -- before they saw the actual wording of the flyer -- in an effort by the FBI to "work jointly with local law enforcement." Called the Joint Terrorism Task Force, the program was created, presumably, to help preserve the American way of life. This flyer was created -- by the feds -- to disseminate information about who the bad guys might be. However, it's wording made it look like a disinformation campaign to paint least a few groups of Real Americans as domestic terrorists. Among other things, the FBI was asking people: "If you encounter any of the following, Call the Joint Terrorism Task Force": "defenders of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN" [That describes many civil liberties groups and most gun rights and American Sovereignty groups in existence -- and, by extension, their members.] "Groups of individuals engaging in para-military training" [Such as, perhaps, shooting your semi-automatic "assault weapon" with some friends out in the desert?"] Also being sought are "Common Law Movement Proponents" who "Request authority for a stop" [That's illegal now?] "Make numerous references to the US Constitution" [That's illegal now?] "Attempt to 'police the police'" [That's illegal now?] And let's not forget the other potential "domestic terrorists" being sought. We really need to watch out for these people: "Lone Individuals" [Do you meet that description?] "Rebels" [Know any gun rights activist who doesn't have at least a touch of rebel pumping through the old bloodstream?] Be sure and notice the following two things on the flyer, as well: 1) There is NOT ONE MENTION of "Islamic Fundamentalists" anywhere. 2) Defenders of the US Constitution and the common law from which it grew are being classified on the same level as the bottom-feeding Skinheads, Nazis and the KKK.

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Link Posted: 11/14/2001 1:56:25 PM EST
(continued) READ THE FLYER FOR YOURSELF The flyer is a tri-fold, so you'll have to turn your head sideways to read one of the sections. Front Page Back Page NOTE: The far right side of the above "Front Page" is the actual front of the tri-fold flyer. The far left side of the above "Back Page" -- the part that mentions the 'defenders of the US Constitution' -- is the inside flap... the first thing you see when you open the flyer. HISTORY OF THE FLYER According to Terry Chapman of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office -- whose name is on the flyer as the MCSO contact -- [b]the FBI created the flyer[/b] and printed the MCSO and Attorney's Office before the text was approved and before his name was put in print and handed out. [b]He said it was created as a full color brochure to hand out to officers, not for the general public[/b] -- and that as soon as he saw it, he urged them not to use it -- knowing it had some problems. "The flyer never got off the ground," said Officer Chapman, "but it did manage to make it's way out -- and maybe it's right that it did." He genuinely didn't like this piece of junk, and he showed true concern about my issues with the flyer, too. "We were not happy with it. It was formulated, I think, for legitimate purposes, but it fell on stony ground because of the way it was worded -- the unfortunate profiles that were put in there outraged a number of people who received it." "It's dead in the water as far as I know," said Chapman. "I just can't imagine the FBI putting it out there again. It wasn't for the public. The fact that it's circulating again has gotta be by unofficial sources." Mr. Chapman couldn't name the FBI agent who created the flyer, saying the individual who created it was no longer with the FBI's Phoenix branch, which he described as having "revolving doors." Sheriff's officers didn't like the flyer, either. Said Chapman, "I had a Lieutenant from our own office call me and ask 'Am I on your list?' Am I a threat?' for supporting the constitution?'" Chapman was embarrassed by the seeming targeting of "decent, honorable segments of the community" by the flyer -- he hoped it would never be handed out or go anywhere at all. According to Chapman, the FBI approached the Sheriff's Office saying they wanted to put a flyer together to help local law enforcement raise officer awareness about who to watch out for. They asked for a local contact name and number for use of a flyer they wanted to produce, and because Terry Chapman heads up MCSO Intelligence, he was the likely candidate. Possible lesson for Chapman: don't let yourself get used by misguided federal agents again. The big question: Why the hell does the FBI have someone running around promoting that Defenders of the Constitution (and the common law from which the Constitution was born) are domestic terrorists?

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Link Posted: 11/14/2001 1:56:55 PM EST
(continued) The FBI has not returned phone calls on this matter. But suffice it to say that there has been at least one unAmerican weasel running around their camp urging people to turn against We The Real American People. We'd sure like to know this fool's name and location within the Bureau. If you track that information down, please contact me personally; we've got a bone to pick with him and his boss, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft. CONTACT THE PEOPLE PUSHING THIS "PROGRAM" FBI Phoenix Office Website: http://phoenix.fbi.gov/ Email: phoenix@fbi.gov Special Agent in Charge - Guadalupe Gonzalez FBI's "Civil Rights" Website: http://phoenix.fbi.gov/contact/fo/phnx/pxcivil.htm FBI's "Counterterrorism" Website: http://phoenix.fbi.gov/contact/fo/phnx/pxterr.htm FBI Arizona Regional Offices: http://phoenix.fbi.gov/contact/fo/phnx/pxterrit.htm The Maricopa Sheriff's Office Website: http://www.mcso.org/ Feedback form for Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Via Website: http://www.mcso.org/submenu.asp?file=public Via Email: complaints@mcso.maricopa.gov, information@mcso.maricopa.gov Maricopa County Attorney Richard M. Romley http://www.maricopa.gov/attorney/MCAOhome.asp http://www.maricopa.gov/feedback/feedback.asp I would bet that Mark Pitcavage (HELLO MARK) of the ADL and one of the creators of SLATT had a part in making the pamphlet.

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Link Posted: 11/14/2001 5:50:49 PM EST
That and this new anti-terrorism legislation past are starting to make me very nervous. So say i owned an ar15, a couple of hi caps, some military manuals. Maybe I never grew out of playing army and owned web gear. What would that make me? a terrorist?

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Link Posted: 11/14/2001 8:44:51 PM EST
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Link Posted: 11/15/2001 4:59:01 PM EST
Foreign born Moslems bomb us, so the cops are directed to crack down on citizen, non-Moslem gunowners who recall reading the constitution? Bunch of Cr@p. And people want the govt. to be able to commit torture, legally, too! Long after Ben Laudanum and his Towel-i-benders are dead and gone, torture will be acceptable HERE, for You and Me at the hands of the Gov. That damned arab hijacked and blew up our civil rights. And we'll never get them back, either.

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Link Posted: 11/16/2001 8:35:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By Erasmus: That damned arab hijacked and blew up our civil rights. And we'll never get them back, either.
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He blew up the twin towers. Whether that blows up our civil rights is really up to us. The same goes for whether we get them back.

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Link Posted: 11/16/2001 8:52:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Erasmus: That damned arab hijacked and blew up our civil rights. And we'll never get them back, either.
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He blew up the twin towers. Whether that blows up our civil rights is really up to us. The same goes for whether we get them back.
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Well then we better send cash to the SAF for the Emerson case because if it gets decided the 2nd Amendment only means STATES rights to bear arms... we are f*cked.

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Link Posted: 11/17/2001 1:15:02 AM EST
Velcome to the 4th Reich. There are some that might say that there never was any "outside forces" at work in this whole mess. Remember that prior to 9-11 the Antiterrorism bill stood almost no chance of passing. And probably would not have even come close. There are some that might say that that it was mighty convenient timing of the terrorists. Then throw in some American made Anhrax and Viola, Leegislation passes with nary a sideglance. From anyone. The Reichstag is burning.

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Link Posted: 11/17/2001 5:00:34 AM EST
Maybe we should put out our own little pamphlet. One that has the Declaration of Independence and the preamble to the Constitution on it. Then follow up with some atrocities commited by our federal bureacracy. Then point out how the FBI, BATF and other federal agencies are not really law enforcement. Or something similiar to that. Waterdog

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Link Posted: 11/17/2001 5:41:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By ckapsl:
Originally Posted By Erasmus: That damned arab hijacked and blew up our civil rights. And we'll never get them back, either.
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He blew up the twin towers. Whether that blows up our civil rights is really up to us. The same goes for whether we get them back.
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It may be up to us but it ain't gonna happen. This "anti-terrorism" legislation will never be repealled or allowed to sunset. What politician wants to be left open to the charge of being pro-terrorism?

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Link Posted: 11/25/2001 11:19:48 AM EST
since all evidence points to a right wing lunatic as the anthrax terrorist, and since the FBI and white house have said all along they suspect it to be a domestic idiot, it sounds to me like the Arizona FBI is on the right - if naive - track, and that Maricopa Sheriff Arpaio is a chickenshit.

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Link Posted: 11/25/2001 12:19:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By johnmcnary: since all evidence points to a right wing lunatic as the anthrax terrorist, and since the FBI and white house have said all along they suspect it to be a domestic idiot, it sounds to me like the Arizona FBI is on the right - if naive - track, and that Maricopa Sheriff Arpaio is a chickenshit.
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Link Posted: 11/25/2001 12:25:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Originally Posted By johnmcnary: since all evidence points to a right wing lunatic as the anthrax terrorist, and since the FBI and white house have said all along they suspect it to be a domestic idiot, it sounds to me like the Arizona FBI is on the right - if naive - track, and that Maricopa Sheriff Arpaio is a chickenshit.
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Speaking of domestic idiots [-!-]
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You beat me to it...Who is this troll..err...IDIOT???

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Link Posted: 11/25/2001 1:18:43 PM EST
Hi is one of thouse Kalifornia ass wipes. Yea you Jhonmcnary. Could be a house burning JBT. The Falcon.

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Link Posted: 11/25/2001 1:26:50 PM EST
I just did a search on Johnmcary....Eat S#@t and die you fag troll.

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Link Posted: 11/25/2001 5:31:14 PM EST
The problem we face today is that our government has taken on a life of its own. An organism seeks to protect itself, right? If runaway government can be said to be an organism of sorts, then you kind of get an idea of what is happening. I know lots of guys who work for the government and they're all do-gooders who "play by the rules" and "go by the book." That's the problem, I think--very few are thinking independently. Instead, they seek to increase the power of the system that feeds and clothes them and their families. Government is a ratchet--it can only increase in size until it tries to take too much. The other problem is that public service is anything but. The elites have created a system that benefits them as much as possible and makes the rest of us their servants. Even black slaves in the 1800s were less indentured than we are right now. The seeds of revolution have been sown. We're standing a room of gasoline only waiting for the spark. The FBI's response has been a very rational one. They know the greater threat is from the American people getting fed up and not a bunch of two-bit terrorists from somewhere else. The terrorists are just the catalyst, they are taking Americans' blinders off, so to speak. Why else would the American news media be working so damn hard to hide the truth and obfuscate everything that has taken place recently? The elites have undertaken a desparate plan to maintain the status quo by villifying anyone with the balls to speak out against the system. Anyone who says that American foreign policy caused the 9/11 attacks is labeled an "America-hater" and thus any kind of useful dialogue is quashed. They've taken the moral high-road--the "I'm more patriotic than you are so your opinions don't count" approach. But the fastest way for a government to destroy itself is for the officials to stop obeying their own laws. It's happened to every empire throughout history and it will happen here at some point. They've already stopped obeying their own stupid laws, the rest will take place naturally. Here's hoping it does, I'm sick and tired of living in a police state.

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