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Posted: 11/13/2001 2:34:26 PM EDT
Regardless of the fact that this is a privately owned site, I would strongly suggest that you let the PEOPLE who frequent this site decide things everyonce in a while... As always, I still beleive that you and other staff and moderators are far too heavy handed in your "moderation" of these forums. As such, I still beleive your decision to lock me out of my original account ewas unjustified. So I propose this test... You or I post a poll with a link to my last string: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=68241 with the simple question: Was the locking of World_Wolf's account justified. After 3 days, the poll results become binding. If they rule in your favor, you'll never have to deal with me again. On the other hand, should the people decide that you were wrong, you are to restore my original account. And why not agree to this proposal? The only thing you have to lose is me. [devil] -World_Wolf
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 3:52:27 PM EDT
Still waitn'... Come on Don, this aint gonna fade away... [shotgun] [peep]
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 4:07:50 PM EDT
now that i'm not a mod anymore i get to say whatever i want. [:D] just kiddin'. if you're so unhappy with the moderation of this site, why don't you remove yourself from it? i sincerely doubt the rules are gonna change just because [i]you[/i] don't like them. (would you be the one that called this site "unconstitutional" in a previous thread?). not a flame. but i never understood the people who piss and moan about something but continue to subject themselves to it. just let the thing rest. or start your own damn poll. you can do that, ya know. feeding time is over.
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 4:08:00 PM EDT
Dire_Wolf... What's the phrase I am looking for...? get over it... You are posting on a PRIVATELY OWNED message board. It may be read by the PUBLIC, but it IS private property. What is it SteyrAUG has in his sig... "Jesus Loves You, everyone else thinks you're and ass..." Never were there truer words spoken. Do you get MAD at McDonald's because they don't allow you to run in shouting, screaming, posting porn/insults on the wall, insulting PAYING customers? [V] BTW, dire, flame away. I wore my asbestos undies today! [^]
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 5:48:25 PM EDT
All Your Loser Wolves Belong To McUZI ! [img]web-comm.com/ar15/fu.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 8:19:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/13/2001 8:12:40 PM EDT by Dave_G]
You reaLLy aRe BAD SingleStacker. Nice picturE...
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 8:38:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dave_G: You reaLLy aRe BAD SingleStacker. Nice picturE...
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BBBWWWAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!![:D][:D]
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 8:42:10 PM EDT
Maybe I'm not making myself clear... or perhaps some people are just skimming the lines and not reading the whole message... I want my old account unlocked, NOW! It was unjustly locked (see [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=68241[/url]), because I dared to 1.) Voice my disagreement with a moderator, and 2.) stand up to his threats. I frequented this site long before it even had a forum. I used the information from this site to aquire my ar15s. I thought the new forums were a great idea. But for some reason, the owners decided to stack the senior staff full of commissars, and people are literally disappearing from the site for some of the stupidest reasons. Fortunently, it's proven immpossible for the staff and the moderators to actually keep people off permanently (myself being the perfect example) and their threats are ultimately worthless.
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 8:46:50 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/13/2001 8:56:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dire_Wolf: Maybe I'm not making myself clear... or perhaps some people are just skimming the lines and not reading the whole message... I want my old account unlocked, NOW!
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I'll vote: Locking the account was justified... their site, their rules, all behavior has consequences. You've experienced yours. Have a nice day!
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 9:06:30 PM EDT
I find it hard to believe that Don_R would unjustly lock an account..[:D]
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 9:11:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DScott:
Originally Posted By Dire_Wolf: Maybe I'm not making myself clear... or perhaps some people are just skimming the lines and not reading the whole message... I want my old account unlocked, NOW!
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I'll vote: Locking the account was justified... their site, their rules, all behavior has consequences. You've experienced yours. Have a nice day!
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You too, DScott. So basically your saying i'm guilty... OF WHAT??!!! Take a good look at that Forum Conduct Code, then take a look at my last string. Don_R was already threatening to throw me off long before I lost my civility... Even then, I fail to see where I violated the rules. Of course, Don_R dosn't have to explain himself... He just points and clicks to shut you up... dosn't matter whether you really broke the rules or not... if he's displeased with you, that's reason enough.[:(!]
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 9:12:15 PM EDT
I will have to agree with the Confederate, it is hard for me to believe that any Moderator on this board would do anything questionable. In other words leave the Moderators alone or show them the God-Like respect that they deserve!
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 9:20:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/13/2001 9:13:54 PM EDT by Vinnie]
4) No pissing matches. Its fine to disagree, but once a thread has run its course, and degenerated into little more than an insult fest, it will be locked. . . . 7) No personal attacks towards ANYONE. If you have a problem with someone, then take it offline with them. If it's with a member of the staff or a moderator, then contact someone from the Senior Staff. Attacking a person, ANY PERSON, in a non-joking manner (clearly visible as a joke) will not be tolerated. Joking and teasing are fine, but if you cross the line, apologize before things get worse. This includes provoking someone into an attack. [red]AR15.com is intended as a home for ALL AR15 owners, where ALL civil, productive and positive discussions are encouraged. Anything not meeting these objectives will be stopped. Any of these violations will lead to your account being suspended. This is not the US Court Systems, you get one chance[/red] -- AR15.Com Staff
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Strait from the conduct codes...looks like you loose.
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 9:22:24 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 9:38:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/13/2001 9:32:48 PM EDT by WWoodworth]
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 9:57:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/13/2001 9:56:34 PM EDT by Getsome]
Wolfboy, I thought I would help you get ahead of the game when your next account is locked so here are some ideas for your next handle: [b]Crying_Wolf Whimpering_Wolf Weeping_Wolf Whinning_Wolf Whipped_Wolf Spanked_Wolf Censored_Wolf NoAccount_Wolf[/b] Take your pick and please don't bother to thank me.
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 10:02:09 PM EDT
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! This has been MOST enjoyable!
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 10:11:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/13/2001 10:05:06 PM EDT by jhasz]
You too, DScott. So basically your saying i'm guilty... OF WHAT??!!! Take a good look at that Forum Conduct Code, then take a look at my last string. Don_R was already threatening to throw me off long before [red]I lost my civility[/red]... Even then, I fail to see where I violated the rules.
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AR15.com is intended as a home for ALL AR15 owners,where all [red]civil[/red] productive and positive discussions are encouraged
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Um, yes, I would say "guilty" of non-civil discussion! This by your own confession! In the words of the Eagles (I seem to quote them a lot) - Get over it!
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 10:29:46 PM EDT
Hi Wolfie. Sorry to take so long, but I was out with family and friends. You're right, this is a privately owned site, and therefore whatever rules the owner sets should be respected. Failure to do so can result in not being able to be a part of the membership here. As far as you strongly suggesting anything, thanks, but I strongly suggest that you realize that demanding anything is not going to get you anywhere. Telling me that you want your old account unlocked NOW, didn't get you a lot of points either. My original decision stands. If you've got a problem with this, I suggest you contact GoatBoy. Until then, buh bye.
Link Posted: 11/14/2001 5:52:39 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/14/2001 6:24:49 AM EDT
I agree Beekeeper!! I never saw that coming, I can't wait till the next episode of [b]"As AR15.com Turns[/b].......maybe we will find out who the mother is!!!![;)] sgtar15
Link Posted: 11/14/2001 6:40:23 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/14/2001 8:08:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Originally Posted By GoatBoy: DonR = "GoatBoyJR"
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Don_R is the illegitimate son of GoatBoy? Geez, you learn something new here every day. [:D]
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Well damn! I guess the goat's out of the bag now. As far as mom, [i]EWE[/i] guys should have seen her big brown eyes. GB never got to from his angle!! [}:D]
Link Posted: 11/14/2001 8:14:02 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/14/2001 8:31:07 AM EDT
Hey Pops, shouldn't that be "same goat time, same goat channel"?? [;)]
Link Posted: 11/14/2001 9:41:35 AM EDT
Just like family: Always buttin' heads!!
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 11:12:23 AM EDT
I have some observations on this whole mess. (1) Dire_Wolf
Maybe I'm not making myself clear... or perhaps some people are just skimming the lines and not reading the whole message... I want my old account unlocked, NOW!
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As to skimming the lines; I have to restate things often because many here seem to have such trouble with reading comprehension. Sometimes you want to SHOUT because it seems to take extra emphasis to get people to read EVERYTHING and consider it before replying. Gawd, is the English language so hard to communicate with? Your Account: I think you should seriously consider this is the time to retire your old screen name. C-mon! Just how much value are we supposed to place on any one screen name? Most screen names are just “virtual personalities.” Very few ppl are actually [i]as presented[/I] on screen, and that is proved out on 100's of UBBs across North America. Geez, don’t let the mods act like they can pull your Govt. I.D.! GET CRUCIAL! (2)Vinnie
Strait from the conduct codes...looks like you loose.
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I wish upon you a traffic ticket for 2 mph over posted, and a long line in a seedy municipality kangaroo traffic court to get it disposed of. Finally near the end of your ordeal, as you make out your check, they tell you to reappear, because you didn’t read a posted court requirement closely enough. (3)WWoodworth
did I miss something? Don't like it? Welcome to America. Feel free to start your own site and post to your heart's content.
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Since you obviously don’t get around {the Internet} much, I will give you clue. A UBB is a community of ppl {Posters, screen names, what you will} and without the posters it’s a ghost town. And as in any community, you should be able to address grievances about how it’s governed. If for instance, you don’t like how YOUR community is governed you should not have to run for Mayor, or move you house. So since a guy wants to petition publically for JUSTICE, you want him to sit down and shut up. (4)Don_R
If you've got a problem with this, I suggest you contact GoatBoy. Until then, buh bye
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The kindest thing I can say is disingenuous. He knows GB selectively answers emails, if at all. [i]continued[/i]
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 11:13:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2001 11:08:53 AM EDT by jean-claude]
(5)
Let me put things this way and you see if you can understand... DonR runs the show with EdSr when I'm not around . . . . . . (EdSr is open game cause he's a pain in my ass and has been on vacation hunting for the past 2 months!!! ) . . . . I seriously hope you email Don and work this out OFFLINE, because these forums ARE NOT the place to deal with this.
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Now, [i]Let me put things this way and you see if you can understand...[/I]The references to EdSr are very intriguing for what is not said, and how misleading it is. There have been other references to some type of family falling out between father & son. That is what the “pain in my ass” is about. However it would be a mistake to infer anything about the “open season.” The TRUTH is that both are as tight as you would expect any father/son to be, and you can bet your email will be copied form one to the other within a day, and there is [i]considerable[/I] cooperation. Don’t take that route if you value your screen name. Go outside and relieve your stress by juggling hand grenades instead. Safer and more predictable. RE: “you email Don and work this out OFFLINE” See item # 4 above. What was the word I used? Yes. disingenuous. This is how the system really works. The decision was cast in stone BEFORE they wrote about appealing the decision to another authority, who had no intention of answering the email. Conclusion: It was asked in another {locked - no suprise!} thread: “If the site is so horrible, then why keep coming back?” Well, my analogy goes like this. There’s this community, here in our Metro area. I suppose that most of the ppl who live there are nice. But the Police Dept is corrupt, and the mayor supports it. I have to pass through on business oftentimes. I have every right to be there, it’s an open community, public roads and such. But you have to watch you’re a$$ as you pass through. Your common rights are at stake. See? I like AR15. I like a lot of the ppl here. Because the site exists, and the current crew runs it, does not infer by any stretch of logic that they make consistently GOOD decisions. GET CRUCIAL! And it can be pointed out there is as much [i]whinning[/I] about “this forum belongs to the owners of the site. You should conduct yourself as if you were at somebody's house.” as there is on any other subject. It is almost childish to open a house to all strangers, then b-tch and complain when the general public [b]made up of ppl from across a continent[/b] don’t have the same political viewpoints as those that hail from Penfield, NY. GET REAL! Here, try THIS on for a reality check. If this forum is like somebody’s HOUSE, then move the d@mned thing OFF the information highway and onto a private road! If you don’t like or are “workin my ass off and not in the mood to tolerate it” then take the site PRIVATE The only solution for now world-wolf, is to have 1 screen name that is ingratiatory, saccharine, submissive, subservient fawning, sycophantic, ad naseum. And another screen name to use to stand up and say, “No sir, I disagree with you.” Expect this screen name to be bayoneted often.
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 11:23:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Dire_Wolf: ... He just points and clicks to shut you up...
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... How Sweeeeet ! Ed & Goatboy could raffle off [b]"Mod for a Day"[/b] privledges and make some serious cash. I'd buy in!
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 2:13:08 PM EDT
Strait from the conduct codes...looks like you loose.
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Why was he too tight? Straight from the conduct codes...looks like you lose. Third grade was a real bitch huh Vinnie? (Just filling in for Garand man)
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 2:46:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2001 2:40:40 PM EDT by Steve-in-VA]
Originally Posted By jean-claude: The only solution for now world-wolf, is to have 1 screen name that is ingratiatory, saccharine, submissive, subservient fawning, sycophantic, ad naseum. And another screen name to use to stand up and say, “No sir, I disagree with you.” Expect this screen name to be bayoneted often.
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Or, . . . you (BOTH OF YOU) could quit bitching paragraph after paragraph about what amounts to substantively nothing, stop crying about fairly modest rules, ditch the melodrama and get a life.
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 2:57:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 3:39:04 PM EDT
Don_R maybe old but he is still a few days away from being senile so if he locked your account, you must have crossed the line. [:D] [:D]
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 4:05:41 PM EDT
All you R trolls R belong to McUzi: go away![stick]
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 4:39:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jean-claude:... Well, my analogy goes like this. There’s this community, here in our Metro area....
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Actually, the better analogy is Disneyland (in many, many ways it seems [:D] ) - and if they want to institute a dress-code, a conduct code, or hair length requirements, up to them. While some may think this is about grander concepts, it's really about knowing when to back off. Oh, and in keeping with the tone of some of the other responses here, "whining" is spelled with only one "n". Yer welcome.... [:P]
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 4:50:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jean-claude: Conclusion: It was asked in another {locked - no suprise!} thread: “If the site is so horrible, then why keep coming back?” Well, my analogy goes like this. There’s this community, here in our Metro area. I suppose that most of the ppl who live there are nice. But the Police Dept is corrupt, and the mayor supports it. I have to pass through on business oftentimes. I have every right to be there, it’s an open community, public roads and such. But you have to watch you’re a$$ as you pass through. Your common rights are at stake. See?
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you just don't give up, do you? even in a different screen name. the conclusion you should be coming to is that you have a right to be anywhere you want, but that anywhere doesn't have to cater to your whims. if you don't like the town you live in, move. if you don't move, it's your own problem for letting yourself be subjected to things that you dislike. your analogy of your town falls short in a way because you do have recourse to avoid the "infringement" upon your rights. you can pack up and move. likewise, you have every right to be here insofar as you (or any of your alter egos) follow the board rules. however, don't expect the way things are run to change just to suit you. if you don't like it, leave and don't come back. you do [i]NOT[/i] have a right to expect things to be done your way on a site that is [i]NOT[/i] yours.
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 4:55:24 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 4:57:16 PM EDT
It sucks when people just don't get the point when they are no longer wanted somewhere.
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 5:14:30 PM EDT
AR15.COM is like a Private Shooting Range. Some pay 60 bucks to shoot, but the range is also open to the public. If you don't obey the rules you will not be allowed to shoot, and asked to leave. There are no Appeals at the PRIVATE Range. go away.[stick]
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 5:33:23 PM EDT
OK. I read it. Was there something in this that was supposed to be a revelation that would make me feel so bad that I would change my views on supporting this board and it's rules?? If there was, I guess I must have missed it. Sorry.
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 5:40:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2001 5:45:55 PM EDT by jean-claude]
I said many things to many ppl in that two post missive, and one of those things I said to Dire_Wolf becomes salient here: [b]<<“As to skimming the lines; I have to restate things often because many here seem to have such trouble with reading comprehension. Sometimes you want to SHOUT because it seems to take extra emphasis to get people to read EVERYTHING and consider it before replying. >>”[/b] First off, There was nothing about “infringement” or living in a town in my post. Second: The quoted part by our esteemed member ARLady proves my point. Some persons either have reading comprehension skill deficiencies or are so quick to attack that it must be malice towards a person that propels their fingers on the keyboard. I think that’s why ARLady throws the “ leave and don't come back” in our faces. She just wants to fire a shot. From thebeekeeper1 we have this: [b]<<“But, but, what about the 1st Amendment? I have my rights, you know, you Nazi.”<<[/b] And I really expected better from a 40something. But as much as both of these members claim its important to follow the forum rules, they bend them to the maximum to be as provocative as they can be, rule 4) “No pissing matches” notwithstanding. From Don_R we have: [b] Was there something in this that was supposed to be a revelation that would make me feel so bad that I would change my views on supporting this board and it's rules??[/b] Revelations? Not unless there are some here that haven’t figured out by now that the “take it up in private email” is a hoax. Or that political viewpoints such as those that hail from Penfield, NY may not be accepted without question in the middle third of the country.
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 5:51:35 PM EDT
jean-claude, Do you have a point to make or are you just looking to piss and moan in this medium because if you tried it in real life you'd probably wind up on your butt?? You have one very valid point. We cannot tell you what you can or cannot say. But, since this board is privately owned, we do have the right to tell you whether you can or can't say it here. If you have a problem with this, I can always put you in contact with the man who created, and has paid for this place long before you came along. It's his ball, and his rules. If you can't deal with this, find another game.
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 6:11:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Don_R: jean-claude, if you tried it in real life you'd probably wind up on your butt?? You have one very valid point.
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I made my point, and if people could read, or had something more than a one track mind, this discussion and those like it would not degenerate into a staff temper tantrum or a lockfest. But one thing you said did pique my interest and it needs to be said sooner or later. It’s about the IRL in real life I’d end up on my butt. Is that what you would do, sir? I think I will perceive that as a threat. And while we are on the subject, replies such as Don_R’s should be examined in a critical light. For it happens that members of this board propose get-togethers occasionally. And I can’t imagine they will all be held on private land. And should they be held in a public building or a public range, I can’t imagine what’s going to be the outcome of this ill suppressed anger that some of direct towards other who don’t speak in Politically Correct Language. The safest course of action may be to forgo any public get togethers until individuals can accommodate opinions other than their own w/o threats or tantrums, or schedule the meets on private lands. Since I don’t want to “land on my butt,” and wish to preserve Jean-Claude for now, I will close this session, (and save the page for later anaylsis)
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 6:22:13 PM EDT
You percieve this as a threat????? Sir, it is obvious that I have greatly underestimated your complete grasp on reality. For this, I humbly apologize. As far as saving this, from where I'm concerned you can shov.......aw, nevermind. I'm afraid you might percieve that as a threat too.
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 6:44:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jean-claude: I said many things to many ppl in that two post missive, and one of those things I said to Dire_Wolf becomes salient here: [b]<<“As to skimming the lines; I have to restate things often because many here seem to have such trouble with reading comprehension. Sometimes you want to SHOUT because it seems to take extra emphasis to get people to read EVERYTHING and consider it before replying. >>”[/b] First off, There was nothing about “infringement” or living in a town in my post.
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ohmyfreakin'god. it would seem that you are the one with a comprehension problem. do you not understand analogy? i was merely continuing yours chaning the freakin' words. and you have, in the past, complained about your "rights" to say what you want, regardless of the board rules. so the infringement comment, while not used by you directly, was implied by the tone of your whiny posts.
Second: The quoted part by our esteemed member ARLady proves my point. Some persons either have reading comprehension skill deficiencies or are so quick to attack that it must be malice towards a person that propels their fingers on the keyboard. I think that’s why ARLady throws the “ leave and don't come back” in our faces. She just wants to fire a shot.
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the "leave and don't come back" means nothing more than this: if you are so fucking miserable with something or some place that all you can do is piss, moan, complain, whine, and cry about how horrible it is, perhaps you should consider a change of venue. period. what in god's green earth would compel you to stick around a website that is so devoted to reading comprehension problems, knee jerk reactions, unfair account lockings (which by the way, based on what i saw was not unfair, you flat out stated that you wouldn't abide by a certain rule)? if it's so damn horrible, why are you still here?
From thebeekeeper1 we have this: [b]<<“But, but, what about the 1st Amendment? I have my rights, you know, you Nazi.”<<[/b] And I really expected better from a 40something. But as much as both of these members claim its important to follow the forum rules, they bend them to the maximum to be as provocative as they can be, rule 4) “No pissing matches” notwithstanding.
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and i expected better than a "i really expected better" rebuttal from you. your "persuasive eloquence" i would have accepted, but this weak return is sub-par, really, sub-par. (GB, we really need an animated smiley that shakes his head like a disapproving mother. that would be cool!) better luck next time, ol' chap. and i most certainly do NOT get in pissing matches on this board. i am well aware of the differences in plumbing and the advatages that you men have. i would no more enter a pissing match and expect to win than i would stick around a place that was as unpleasant as you seem to think this one is. now, on a more literal note: to my knowledge, i have not engaged in any pissing matches. i have been known to goad a few people, on occassion (BB comes to mind). but i am not aware of any pissing matches with my participation. please, show me where i have done this. note: so you can't try and put words in my mouth later...i am not denying it. i just cannot think of any threads that i have posted on in which my participation would be seen as a pissing match. and i'm never provocative. i always post fully clothed!
Link Posted: 11/18/2001 7:05:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jean-claude: Since I don’t want to “land on my butt,” and wish to preserve Jean-Claude for now . . .
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If this netherworld of PC, BigBrother over-regulation truly existed, you would have been shut down a long time ago. Fact is, you have wasted pages saying nothing and bitching about not being able to bitch. Sure, you are a waste of bandwidth, but no one's shut your ass down, have they? Keep fighting the good fight, you rebel you [>(].
. . . I will close this session, (and save the page for later anaylsis)
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You do that you super-sleuth you; create your own little ar15.com-X File so you can document all these nasty threats and Staff instituted conspiracies to keep the little cyber guys down! [BD]
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