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Posted: 4/3/2008 3:17:57 AM EDT
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You can't be serious. |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 3:19:43 AM EDT
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Probably. They looked quite "used." |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 3:44:52 AM EDT
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See that often over here at Blount Island. I remember the first conflict over in Iraq, The personal never ended coming on to the Island. I wish I had a camera back then. Cool pics makes U feel proud to be a American.
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Posted: 4/3/2008 3:50:14 AM EDT
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Them tanks have been thru hell. Wonder what the story on where their heading is.
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Posted: 4/3/2008 3:53:40 AM EDT
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ppffffttttt .........Not that long, 
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Posted: 4/3/2008 4:56:32 AM EDT
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We're re-engining them with new AGT1500's. There are some new controls, etc, but for the most part it's the same old engine. It has it's advantages and it's disadvantages. I doubt you could get a TurboDiesel of any size in there, those Turbines are pretty small. |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 5:08:49 AM EDT
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What is the M1A3? I've never heard of that version. |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 6:27:24 AM EDT
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I couldn't believe my eyes I didn't think we had so many left! |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 6:28:46 AM EDT
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I'm in |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 6:31:03 AM EDT
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From 2/27 to 11/11/91 UP 3593 (nee-UP 8084, b/d 8/79, b/n 786218-20) wore this "Desert Victory" camo paint scheme in honor of the 66 UP employees who participated in Operation Desert Storm |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 6:32:15 AM EDT
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Uh, I think that if there were any opsec issues they wouldn't be transporting them in broad daylight. |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 6:44:19 AM EDT
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How would they have unloaded it from the railcar? How could they have transported it without being noticed? |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 6:46:56 AM EDT
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I work with them every day and at times I am still amazed at what they can witchstand. But they do have their limits.
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Posted: 4/3/2008 6:53:27 AM EDT
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My local Guard unit had them up until 3 or so years ago. They only got rid of them when the unit changed from an Armored unit to an Avation support unit. We all miss seeing them at the nearby County Fair.  -K |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 6:55:49 AM EDT
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It's been proposed but not AFAIK, adopted yet. I would be very surprised that any Guard unit would be getting even A2s right now when there are so many A1's in the Regular Army. -K |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 7:09:15 AM EDT
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I'm not sure. I'm thinking that a Javelin would be able to kill an Abrams relatively easily as compared to other AT weapons. The Javelin uses two modes of attack - straight on level attack if the targets under a bridge or tree or something, and a top attack which is the preferred method. I would be confident in the Abrams being to take a Javelin hit in the front, but less so on the sides and rear. However, the M1 has very thin top armor - something like 2 inches from what I have read. Any top attack weapon - The Tow2B IIRC, Javelin, Copperhead, BILL(?), or others would have a much easier time killing an Abrams from the top. Other modern tanks like the Leo2A6 and Chally2 have much thicker top armor and would take a hit much better. I'm wondering if even top attack bomblets from artillery or aircraft would be able to kill an Abrams due to the thin armor. -K |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 7:28:40 AM EDT
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A Javelin would have no trouble taking out an M1, especially in top attack mode. And that M1 in Iraq mentioned above was gutted by that Maverick hit. |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 7:44:21 AM EDT
[#18]
M1's going to RESET
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Posted: 4/3/2008 7:50:43 AM EDT
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www.truveo.com/Stolen-M60-Patton/id/2331121023 |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 9:37:03 AM EDT
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Here's 20 of 'em on the UP line in Chester, Illinois, between the Mississippi River and Menard Correctional Center. This was about two weeks ago.
 
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Posted: 4/3/2008 9:50:17 AM EDT
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They've been talking about M1A2 SEPs in our neck of the woods (MN NG) but we probably won't see them for a few years... |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 9:53:38 AM EDT
[#22]
Fixed. 
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Posted: 4/3/2008 10:12:27 AM EDT
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That was an M60 back in the 90's. |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 5:43:27 PM EDT
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No, you're getting M1A1 AIMS, if they haven't already been delivered. Yakima's showed up a few months ago, as did 185's. No reason to think 161 will be any different. You sure you're not thinking of M2A3s? That's possible (but unlikely)
The same rumours have been flying around CalGuard for a while, but I don't see it happening. Heck, TexGuard was talking about it years ago on the basis that they didn't think the overall cost difference was so huge over the expected service life that they couldn't afford it. Now, on the plus side, the Army have just announced they're adding another 400+ M1A2 SEP(V2)s, which, considering how big the in service force is, is quite a sizeable chunk, and could relieve some older A2s to filter down to the Guard. (Esp if the A3 upgrades get going). On the downside, if the proposed new cavalry structure gets approved by Congress, that's a hell of a lot of tanks suddenly going back into the force. NTM |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 5:54:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/3/2008 5:55:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/3/2008 6:04:49 PM EDT
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There's a bunch of tanks at Ft. Knox. Shhhhh, don't tell anybody.  |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 6:21:29 PM EDT
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Ok...Ok...
You all knew this was coming, So here it is, the man himself. . . . . 
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Posted: 4/3/2008 6:30:24 PM EDT
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Possibly, I wouldn't know the details of the top armor, but it appears that front and side attacks are suprisingly difficult.
It was penetrated and there was heat and shock damage, but I seem to remember something about them checking it to assess damage and finding that pretty much all the internal systems still worked (hence why they kept hitting it with stuff)... Crew would have been dead were it hostile fire, but in WWII we generally learned that tanks can often outlive their crews. Of course it's been several years since I read that report, so I might not be remembering it correctly. Interesting to consider, however, just how much damage Mavericks did to the T-55s/T-72s we used them on... Generally they were horrid looking hulks. One thing I do remember is after the missile hits, the Abrams in question still looked practically intact externally. Contrast that with: T-72 120mm Sabot kill:  AGM-65 T-55 kill, if I'm not mistaken:  The Abrams was hit with both of those, if I recall. |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 6:42:31 PM EDT
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I took a nap on an M1 sitting on a flatcar,felt it was as good a place as any to take a snooze(humpin'155 ammo all day will do that),Ft Knox,1988. Best place to catch ZZZZZs? Up a tree,no one ever looks up there. 
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Posted: 4/3/2008 6:49:34 PM EDT
[#31]
Would you mind elaborating on this? This is the first I've heard of it and I'm quite interested to know more. I'm not sure if I would see more tanks as being a 'Downside' though. Also, why does Congress have to approve this? They would be some of the last people who would be capable of making that kind of decision with any kind of intelligence. -K |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 6:53:21 PM EDT
[#32]
More tanks would need to be balanced by more Infantry... Assuming we want to actually occupy any place we invade in the future. |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 6:54:00 PM EDT
[#33]
They took the one we had on static display outside our armory for overhaul! Hell, the green one on that train might be it.
Those are old tanks guys, off to be overhauled or cut up for scrap... |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 6:57:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/3/2008 6:58:32 PM EDT
[#35]
lol
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Posted: 4/4/2008 3:29:16 AM EDT
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AIMS is an upgrade to the M1A1, not the M1A2. It basically digitises the troubleshooting system to a central computer instead of having to troubleshoot broken parts manually. There are a few detail changes like adding puffers to the V-packs and adding new ballistic tables for new ammunition, and fitting for FBCB2, but otherwise it's the same M1A1 we've been using for years, down to the old sight.
He's right. One just went by my window ten minutes ago. (I'm in Knox).
You mean 'surprisingly easy'. The latest M1 upgrades emphasise adding extra armour to the sides of the hull particularly, and some parts of the turret. They're leaving the roof as it is, probably due to weight.
It's a downside if you're a guardsman and only getting the 'hand-me-down' vehicles the Regular Army doesn't need any more. More demand in Regular Army, fewer toys available for you! Basically there is widespread agreement that the recon squadron configuration doesn't work. Platoons of HMMWVs with three people in them, and Bradleys carrying 5 are too big to sneak around, too weak to fight for information, and too lacking in dismounts to do anything more than provide close security for the vehicles. A few months ago the Army decided to greatly increase the amount of dismounts, ditch the HMMWVs (In the heavy recon squadrons), and add a bunch of tanks. Basically go back to the old 1980s cav structure.
If you're going to be spending billions of dollars of taxpayer's money to provide all the new equipment, and increase the manpower levels of the Army by several thousands, Congress gets a say. The Army wants to do many things. Doesn't mean that Congress funds everything the Army wants. NTM |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 3:54:51 AM EDT
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Holy shit..... Fap fap fap fap fap fap fap. Great pics. Thanks for sharing.  -T. |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 5:20:36 AM EDT
[#38]
I guess it depends on what you want to use them for. If it's cavalry they're probably used for screening, scouting, and raiding. None of these are really infantry intensive like regular armor tasks. -K |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 7:43:42 AM EDT
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You should see the yard full of them behind 3656th maintenance at Camp Shelby. |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 3:17:34 PM EDT
[#40]
That's a whole trainload of ass whipping!
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Posted: 4/4/2008 3:25:50 PM EDT
[#41]
As a ex-grunt that went Armor I was always amazed that everytime we "railheaded" we didnot drop the shit all over the ground!
Talk about stress !! |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 3:31:02 PM EDT
[#42]
At the begining of this year i saw a train load of Abrams in the middle of nowhere between Snyder and Post. I really wanted to stop and investigate however i was in a hurry to get back to Lubbock. It was really wierd to just see that parked out there.
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Posted: 4/4/2008 5:09:28 PM EDT
[#43]
Bullshit. If the military cared about this issue the equipment would be covered and moved at night. |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 5:21:02 PM EDT
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That train would probably go down to Sweetwater, then Tecific. There it would hop on the BNSF Lampassas Sub and head for Ft Hood. |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 5:36:40 PM EDT
[#45]
Fixed it for ya. |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 5:37:37 PM EDT
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Not going to scrap any M1 hulls unless they are totally mangled. They will be rebuilt. |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 5:44:28 PM EDT
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Did you see all the rust? Those have been sitting somewhere rotting for a long time, probably going to get cut up for scrap. |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 5:49:06 PM EDT
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I was once told it was an OPSEC violation to say I was deployed to Afghanistan. |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 5:50:37 PM EDT
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I picked up/delivered many a load to that depot. I would walk around the "yard" while being loaded/unloaded. Everything from boats to humvee ambulances to tanks in there. Many, just moved there from battle.  I looked at a line of humvees, that stretched as far as the eye could see, that were shot to shit and blown to pieces. I sat in one that had obviously been in an IED and tried to imagine what the soldiers went thru.The Humvee had the keys in it and I gave it a try of the key.......................it started right up!!! Now, imagine this, the front two wheels were blown off and the hood was gone. Significant damage to the under-carriage and sides. It started and ran until I shut it off. The damage this thing sustained and still run is a testament to American ingunueity(sp). very humbling(sp) experience. 
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Posted: 4/4/2008 5:54:05 PM EDT
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 Anyone who has ever operated a HMMWV is about to come along and call BS on you here...... |
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