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Posted: 11/12/2001 5:36:57 AM EDT
Plane crash
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 5:39:16 AM EDT
NBC NYC Near JFK, in the flight path Into a residential area
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 5:40:44 AM EDT
A 767 went down in Queens. ColtShorty GOA KABA COA JPFO SAF NRA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them."
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 5:42:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/12/2001 5:39:16 AM EDT by OLY-M4gery]
American Airlines 767, buildings on fire on the ground. Circumstances unkown May have been inbound-prelim report JFK airport closed.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 5:50:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/12/2001 8:44:13 AM EDT by PVFD304]
[url]http://www.thebravest.com/queens/queens.htm[/url] Live scanner from Queens NY
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 5:51:34 AM EDT
no distress call recieved prior to crash.......
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 5:53:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By PVFD304: [url]http://www.thebravest.com/queens/queens.htm[/url] Live scanner from Queens NY
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Link Posted: 11/12/2001 5:56:19 AM EDT
Thanks for the link OLY-M4gery I need to learn to do that one day!
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 6:02:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:
Originally Posted By PVFD304: Thanks for the link OLY-M4gery I need to learn to do that one day!
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url*************/url surrounded by brackets ][ Now they are saying crashed on take off enroute to Santa Domingo.
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Link Posted: 11/12/2001 6:03:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/12/2001 5:57:42 AM EDT by fight4yourrights]
Flight 587 Airbus A300 some tunnels are being closed
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 6:04:26 AM EDT
[img]http://images.ibsys.com/2001/1112/1069630.jpg[/img] [url]http://www.channel2000.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-106961320011112-081153.html[/url] American Airlines Plane Crashes In New York Four Homes On Fire Posted: 9:29 a.m. EST November 12, 2001 Updated: 9:51 a.m. EST November 12, 2001 NEW YORK -- A plane crashed Monday morning in the Queens section of New York, and four homes reportedly were on fire in the neighborhood in the Rockaway section of Queens. The plane crashed shortly after 9 a.m. ET, and thick, black smoke could be scene in televised reports. It was reportedly headed to JFK, but the origin of the flight was undetermined. The type of plane and number of people aboard were not immediately known. Television images show thick black smoke rising from the scene. The smoke was seen turning white, which could indicate that the flames were being put out. Fox News Channel reports it was an American Airlines flight 587. All three New York City airports were closed to air travel. They include LaGuardia, JFK and Newark airports. New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani was on the way to the scene. CNN said American Airlines confirms it was an Airbus A 300. TV reports also quote the mayor's office as confirming that. The American Airlines phone number relatives information line is (800) 245-0999. Copyright 2001 by Channel2000.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 6:06:06 AM EDT
Isn't it almost 60 days to the hour and minute since the previous terror attack? [>]:)]
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 6:06:26 AM EDT
News is saying that it was going to the Dominican Republic. Took off at 9:15 AM, crashed at 9:17AM. Eyewitnesses claim it nosedived into the ground. That is why there isn't as much destruction. Av.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 6:10:36 AM EDT
Airbus A-306 max passenger capacity 266.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 6:15:56 AM EDT
Was supposed to take of at 0800, took off at 0915, unknown reason for delay. Plane lost commo after take off Came down appx 1 mi from airport 246-passengers, scheduled 9-crew
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 6:18:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/12/2001 6:11:24 AM EDT by Avalon01]
They are closing down bridges and tunnels in Queens. The 72-hour kit I keep in my truck doesn't seem that paranoid to my coworkers now. Av.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 6:20:59 AM EDT
Now they are saying within 5 miles. And 1 engine might have been found some distance from the main crash site.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 6:23:18 AM EDT
Just what NYC needs.... ...pissed off Dominicans.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 6:28:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery: And 1 engine might have been found some distance from the main crash site.
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Just heard the same.... witnesses claim parts were "falling from the sky" before the plane crashed. It truly sucks to be an airline right now... nobody is going to want to fly for a while. Av.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 6:34:00 AM EDT
I live about a mile away. It's my old neighborhood, I'am heading there now to check on relatives and friends. I'll update whenever I get back online.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 6:43:51 AM EDT
This hereby debunks the "flying is the safest way to travel" for me. If something on the ground (car, train, etc.) breaks down you can generally stop and fix the problem. In the air... you're [frag]
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 6:52:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 7:03:00 AM EDT
You can be fairly sure this is a mechanical failure. If it were a bomb or terrorist attack the engine would not have come off the wing. A bomb might take off a wing or destroy the entire aircraft but not the engine. Someone in the cockpit is also not going to be able to get the engine to come off the wing. Something went wrong with the engine. I am an aircraft mechanic With a major airline, From experience i can assure you that this was probably a mechanical failure....pat
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 7:03:24 AM EDT
the timing of this incident is very curiouse.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 7:05:06 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 7:08:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By paterpk: I am an aircraft mechanic With a major airline, From experience i can assure you that this was probably a mechanical failure....pat
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hope you have lots of resume's on hand. you will need them.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 7:29:24 AM EDT
From FOXNews.com: [b]Bush administration officials said the FBI believes there was an explosion aboard the plane and they are investigating its source.[/b]
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 7:36:38 AM EDT
OK. I'll ask the question... What's the range of a Stinger? My estimation is the aircraft was in range. How many did we give OBL?
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 7:40:47 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 7:50:49 AM EDT
hope you have lots of resume's on hand. you will need them.[/quote] I just might need them but as your name suggests, I will survive.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 8:01:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By paterpk: You can be fairly sure this is a mechanical failure. If it were a bomb or terrorist attack the engine would not have come off the wing. A bomb might take off a wing or destroy the entire aircraft but not the engine.
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One of the eye witnesses who spoke with Bryant Gumbel this morning said that it looked like the entire wing seperated from the plane. Another guy said he had one 12ft and one 5ft section of plane that he pulled off his restaurant roof and handed over to the police. God Bless Texas
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 8:03:24 AM EDT
FBI confirms there was an explosion on the plane. They are trying to determin it's orgin. From MSNBC: FLIGHT 587 CRASHED shortly after 9:15 a.m. ET in the Rockaway section of Queens on Long Island, sending up a thick plume of black smoke that could be seen miles away. Bill Schumann of the Federal Aviation Administration said there was no immediate indication of what caused the crash, which came two months after two hijacked airliners brought down the World Trade Center. But witnesses reported seeing one of the engines explode and fall from the jet before the plane hit the ground, and Bush administration officials said the FBI had concluded that an explosion brought the jet down and was investigating whether the crash was an accident or sabotage. Av.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 8:04:14 AM EDT
Could a bird being sucked into the engine cause it to explode?
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 8:05:33 AM EDT
Now it wouldn't surprise me if it was a terrorist act. One engine falling off a plane is rare, but is an accident. There have been reports of BOTH engines falling off the plane. What are the odds of that happening? I think there may have been a bomb on board. Av.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 8:07:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Renamed: Could a bird being sucked into the engine cause it to explode?
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A twenty pound frozen turkey oughta do the trick.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 8:10:57 AM EDT
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,38565,00.html[/url] Oh God, read this: [i]The plane went down in the Rockaway neighborhood of Queens, [b]which is home to many firefighters who were among the dead and the rescuers at the World Trade Center on Sept. 11.[/b][/i] My prayers go out to them. [>(]
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 8:13:48 AM EDT
I have seen the pictures of "BOTH" engines. One engine is the engine core( the real engine) The other pic is of the thrustreverser and translating sleeve. Probably the same engine in 2 parts. This would be normal for a cata of the engine. There have been several G.E. engine cato's in the last two years. Caused by turbine wheel failures. I have a set of pics of one of ours if someone wants to see them I dont know how to post them. The pics I have were of a cato during a ground runup, we were having oil consumption problems and were looking for a leak when it came apart...pat
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 8:14:05 AM EDT
I'm thinking there is a distinct smell of goat in the vicinity. Sorry, engines don't fall off of Airbus A300s. I don't want to speculate too much more, but if I was a bettin' man, I'd bet against a maintenance problem and in favor of bad intent.[pissed] shooter
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 8:15:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 8:16:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/12/2001 9:20:21 AM EDT by a3kid]
Originally Posted By paterpk: I have seen the pictures of "BOTH" engines. One engine is the engine core( the real engine) The other pic is of the thrustreverser and translating sleeve. Probably the same engine in 2 parts. This would be normal for a cata of the engine. There have been several G.E. engine cato's in the last two years. Caused by turbine wheel failures. I have a set of pics of one of ours if someone wants to see them I dont know how to post them. The pics I have were of a cato during a ground runup, we were having oil consumption problems and were looking for a leak when it came apart...pat
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Send them to me, I'll post them.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 8:43:29 AM EDT
Sounds like the old TWA 800 story might pop up. Yeah, it sound funny for the engine to fall off. I guess it "COULD" happen. The starter fell off of my car one day!
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 8:46:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/12/2001 8:41:44 AM EDT by LE6920]
Seems logic would lead us to belive, or me at least, that this was a bomb. And it sure would be a good time to have a bomb go off just before the holidays. Those terroists sure love NYC. And they sure love American Airlines. Anyone who thinks that an engine just happened to fall off is not with the program. Just my opinion. Prayers go out to those on board and those on the ground that will deal with this.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 8:48:41 AM EDT
The pics were sent. I was not there when the pictured eng blew i got the photos off the net at an aviation site. I cant take credit for them. Yes an engine can come off the wing, It has happened more than a couple of times. usually you dont loose the aircraft. If the enging KB's though that is a different story....
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 8:51:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By LE6920: Seems logic would lead us to belive, or me at least, that this was a bomb. And it sure would be a good time to have a bomb go off just before the holidays. Those terroists sure love NYC. And they sure love American Airlines. Anyone who thinks that an engine just happened to fall off is not with the program. Just my opinion. Prayers go out to those on board and those on the ground that will deal with this.
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whoa there. Don't be using logic around here, not many people subscribe to it, and will attack you if you do[BD] Anyway, you do have a point.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 8:53:06 AM EDT
a3kid send me a note when you get the pics...pat
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 8:54:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/12/2001 8:48:52 AM EDT by Renamed]
If a bomb had been planted in the passenger or luggage compartments, wouldn't it have blown the fuselage apart before it would have knocked the engine(s) off the wing(s)? Anyone with the access required to plant a bomb inside the engine or the wing would also, it seems, have been in a position to arrange an engine explosion through sabotage.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 8:55:36 AM EDT
Fighters in the air?? 60 days to the minute of the WTC attacks? I think it will play like this: There was some kind of hijacking in progress, or at least no communication and a diversion from flight plan. We shot it down. Either we were right, and the gov't fesses up, or it was all a big mistake and we never find out the cause of the "accident"
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 9:02:25 AM EDT
from paterpk via my email: some of these pics were taken the night it happened. the aircraft was scrapped because of the damage to the wing. the hole in the wing is 3 ft long and involves the fwd spar. when the engine blew it was at 90% power The parts went every were. some through the cabin some into the other engine. the turbine wheel was in the river over a mile away!
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[img]wsphotofews.excite.com/025/rs/4P/lZ/4651683.jpg[/img] [img]wsphotofews.excite.com/004/6B/RB/gk/4962890.jpg[/img] [img]wsphotofews.excite.com/022/v9/f0/1y/4b34060.jpg[/img] [img]wsphotofews.excite.com/021/Nf/o9/9Y/4680558.jpg[/img] [img]wsphotofews.excite.com/005/Zh/MS/kV/4b71605.jpg[/img] I'll let him fill you in on the details. paterpk - I'm working on the other 6. If I don't get bugged here, I'll be done in a few. [:D]
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 9:21:30 AM EDT
more from paterpk via my email: the aircraft was schedualed to fly philli to paris but the mechs didnt like the engine. They went out to investigate away from the terminal. Had the aircraft taken off all on board would have been lost. The wing damage was severe enough to cause failure if under a flight load.
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[img]wsphotofews.excite.com/017/ts/el/FM/4w73355.jpg[/img] [img]wsphotofews.excite.com/006/xT/OM/sE/4A99309.jpg[/img] [img]wsphotofews.excite.com/006/rt/A3/3a/4F41423.jpg[/img] [img]wsphotofews.excite.com/011/X8/nT/jK/4H93744.jpg[/img] [img]wsphotofews.excite.com/005/Qz/Iy/P8/4M74937.jpg[/img] [img]wsphotofews.excite.com/018/kL/kp/YA/4M44020.jpg[/img] There's the rest of the pics. Waiting for paterpk to explain them to y'all....
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 9:23:48 AM EDT
Let's take Kabul now. Who gives a fuck what others think.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 9:24:01 AM EDT
As you can see when an engine does KB it is quite a mess. I have to leave for work now will fill in on the photo's when i get back, and a3kid is finnished helping me out... thanks a3kid....pat
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