I am not Steyr AUG but 11H1P just had a great idea.  Lets wright to our gun manufactures. Penned/snail mail. And to the NRA and request that from this day forward. Every Gun Manufacturer in the United States puts a copy of the Constitution of the United States and a copy of the United States Bill of Rights with every shipped rifle/pistol/shotgun or any other gun they manufacture.

There are a bunch of 1st time gun buyers these days and well That I think would go a long way toward making Our most fundamental point.

Benjamin

What do you think SteyrAUG???

Benjamin

BTT

Devils Advocate...

1. It will cost more money for the manufacturers.
2. They will see no benefit of including these in each gun.  It doesn't make someone go out and buy another.
3. Will anyone who gets these actually read them?  Except for gun people like us, I'd say less than 5%.

Back to me...
I'd say it sounds interesting and might help us in the long run.  

No, I don't mind they can pass the cost onto the consumer.  No it doesn't make people buy more guns but what is $1 or $2 more.

3] But what it does do is far more subtle. Even if they don't actually read it they will still see it, and it will link the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to guns in their minds. Wheather they realize it or not.

Benjamin

Hate to disappoint you, but they manufacturers are too busy trying to stay in business. Yeah I know that in the long run.....  There would be no long-run is they fail in the short-run. Right now, most of the manufacturers put a post card in their gun boxes to join the NRA. And even Taraus USA has offered to pay for a the first year of any new members.

Exactly.

Here's the poop from LoC.

Madison Gift Shop: (202) 707-0204

18"x23" Parchment Constitution $3.50
Same size Declaration, same price

Legal size Parchment Constitution/BoR (2 pages) $2.50

Same size Declaration (1 page) $1.50

Same size Gettysburg Address, same price.

Same size that contains all 4 is $4.00

i think its a great idea! just include it as part of the instruction manual.

...doesn't have to be the whole document, just the BOR...

Here is another thought...  

What is the point anyway?  The Constitution isn't valid anymore.  [;)] Currently I do NOT have the right to bear arms in Washington DC.  I do NOT have the right to have a 'NEW' M16.  I do NOT have the right to take my 'old' M16 across the state lines unless I go to a government agency and ask permission.

This would likely be something that the local retailers could do. Mfgrs could do so, and pass on the costs to distributers/customers. They need to think longer term. With knee-jerk legislation, they could be shut down as far as sales in this country.

This was prompted after reading my niece's "History" book, that had almost 4 paragraphs devoted to Gun Control movement, and the 1st, 10th, and 14th ammendments discussed in depth. Half of 1 paragraph outlined the 2nd, and less was said of the others.

As far as the familiarization/safety brief, is a few minutes of time too much to ask to get these soccer moms to feel comfortable about their purchase?

I bitch about it, and also work to correct the situation- that is the point. Use the enemy's own methods against them. The buyer may read it while on the porcelain throne. They may decide to oust those that made your freedom restricted, and may get a few more to demand them back.

I agree with the idea of writing gun manufacturers to tell them, that as a CUSTOMER, you would be more inclined to purchase their product if references to gun ownership and the constitution were more prominant in the included literature.  This is how you turn their heads.  I don't think Bushmaster, DPMS, RRR, Armalite, etc. should be the target of this since this , speaking of these companies and their customers, is like "preaching to the choir"  The target should be Ruger, H&R, Winchester, Mossberg, Remington, etc. that sells .22 rifles and shotguns at Wal-Mart to first time buyers.  To target those looking to buy a handgun, the method would be to task the gun store to provide a copy of the Constitution and Bill of Rights to buyers.  They could have a 8.5X11" American Flag on one side of a piece of paper with Bill of Rights printed on the other.  Just my .02

That was addressed by the point of sale familiarization/safety brief. We were not talking of those that don't buy the guns, but those that do.

DoubleFeed I think that is two different things and needs to be two different things.  Hunter Safety and Firearms Safety is of course one thing.  The philosophical underpinnings of these United States is another. But I would not barry these two Items(constitution/Bill of rights) In the instruction manuals.  I would like to see it seperate. In that a Person gets their purchase home, opens the case or Box and out flops the Constitution of the United Sates and the Bill of Rights.  They will see it , they might think ?what?? and then even if they do push it to the side it has entered their Minds and starts to work. They will then be walking by the news and will hear something that falls into the same category(because their mind is already primed) and this will catch in their minds subconciously.  Their mind will constantly seek to add more content. Which is the way minds work. so here is what you have.

A decent person goes and purchases a firearm.
That person after opening the purchase has before them a GUN/ A Constitution/ and A Bill of Rights.  They already know if only vaguely how this nation was founded. They already know about Republicans and Democrats, they already know broadly about the issues. And many first time buyers are now in the process of purchasing their first firearms.  

To this to counter that New book where the author makes the claim that not many people owned firearms in colonial America.

My Ass and that SOB knows it.  There was NOT a house WITHOUT a RIFLE would be my guess because these people had to shoot Game day in and Day out. You can't grow MEAT from the Ground. And we had MEAT. That means Grouse,Squirell,rabbit,bear,mountain lions,pheasant,quail, frogs,snakes.

Benjamin

What Ben said!  To lighten things up, I saw a bumper sticker that read "If God meant for us to be vegitarians, why did He make animals out of meat?"

That was a little off topic, but it has to be done, because. People like this can get their books published because of their credentials even if they are full of shit.

And although there are many sources for own edifice we have to defend and fight for, we need more and there are today many thousands of gun buyers who have never purchased a rifle/pistol/shotgun and never linked the two concepts in their mind.

Benjamin

My point exactly. Teach them at time of purchase (safety, humanizing element), and make the link in their minds (Constitution/BoR).

Well I can say that with my last two purchases, I have yet to not be told some basic firearm safety. When I took reciept of my gun it was opened and everything in it was explained to me.  And it would only take 30 seconds to say to the buyer.

"Here is your instruction manual, please read it. Here is a copy of the US Constitution and the Bill of rights so that you can help us secure our right to Bear Arms."

Benjamin

No, more like a quick rundown of basic safety. an extra 4-5 minutes, here is the safety, here is how to operate the firearm, don't point it at anything you are not willing to destroy. Offer them the more in-depth classes hosted by volunteers. Optional for the in-depth stuff.

I like to have a function rundown when purchasing an unfamiliar gun. I have no problem waiting and browsing when someone else is going through it.

The certificate/registration thing is a bit in left field, IMO, just let them know that a volunteer will be available at such-and-such time and place.

If they want in-depth instruction with range time, there are instructors/ranges offering that for a fee already.

I think it would be a lot more effective to place this information on American currency.  The exposure overseas of our philosophy would be invaluable in fighting opposing propaganda, since it seems almost everyone in the world has some greenbacks floating around:

http://hcps2.hanover.k12.va.us/lms/libbill.htm

Sorry not a live link - but do paste it in and consider this currency idea.

"Never ask a man if he is from Virginia.  If he is, he will certainly tell you; if not, you don't want to embarrass him."

DoubleFeed Wrote:


No they showed me basic function.  But when they open the purchase so I could Okay it they gave me a quick rundown on everything in the box.  I am saying this is the time to throw in the quote I mentioned. Because they are talking to you the whole time. At least good gunshop owners and salemen.

Benjamin

I like the basic idea.

At least the Bill of Rights!