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3/20/2017 5:03:23 PM
Posted: 11/5/2001 10:39:47 PM EDT
talk about dumbass q's of all time. i see pump actaion shotty's and semi's with 7 rd or 9 rd or whatever why can't the manufactues design a mag for a shotgun? 30 rds of buckshot would be nice. there's a reason, i just don't know the mechanics of it. 30 rds of slug in semi auto... talk about urban a-fucking-ssault!!! hell yeah OffRoad
Link Posted: 11/5/2001 10:43:50 PM EDT
"urban a-fucking-ssault" Thats a good name for a B movie[:D] They do have mag feed shot guns,as soon as I can figer out a way to make a 30 rounder I will put this damn AR away for good! But right know all they have are 3-5 rounders that I know of.
Link Posted: 11/5/2001 10:46:10 PM EDT
i mean not in the stock. like a "clip" (wrong word i know) coming out the bottom, like a "uzi" or ar15. a big 30 rd mag sticking out the bottom.
Link Posted: 11/5/2001 10:46:55 PM EDT
Some do. I believe it was Saiga that mage one using a AK type action, there are others I am sure. Usually, however, with the roll of a shotgun do you need more than two rounds. By this I mean bird hunting, skeet, or turkey hunting. Only in self defense is there a need for more than two rounds and even then one will usually clear a room pretty damn fast!! And I am sure cost is also an issue sgtar15
Link Posted: 11/5/2001 10:49:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By OffRoad: i mean not in the stock. like a "clip" (wrong word i know) coming out the bottom, like a "uzi" or ar15. a big 30 rd mag sticking out the bottom.
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No dude,I'm not talking about the mag tube I mean like the Saiga and I have seen one like a Rem. 870 in the Shotgun News.
Link Posted: 11/5/2001 10:52:07 PM EDT
your gonna get pissed at me for saying this: to sgtar15: when do you NEED a 30 rd mag, wouldn't 1 round clear a room?? that was an example. not flaming, just saying. why aren't 30 rd shotguns popular?
Link Posted: 11/5/2001 10:54:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/5/2001 10:51:25 PM EDT by operatorerror]
Saiga makes a couple of automatics in 12/20g, and maybe .410, that use mags. EAA and Valtro market pump action 12g shotguns using mags. I think there are some aftermarket conversions out there. Does Knox sound familiar to anyone? Mags are pretty good idea for quick reloads, BUT a 30 rd single stack mag would be about 24" long and weigh a couple of pounds. There may also be a Federal restriction on mag capacity for shotguns. I do know that in California, you can no longer buy autoloading shotguns that accept magazines.
Link Posted: 11/5/2001 10:57:12 PM EDT
Offroad, Think of how long a 30 round mag for a Saiga type shotgun would be. Maybe thats why you've never seen them in that configuration. Also think about how heavy the loaded mag alone would weigh. Alex
Link Posted: 11/5/2001 11:01:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/5/2001 10:56:31 PM EDT by m_bolan]
try looking at this. at least it is cool looking. [url]http://www.knoxx.com/product/sidewinder.html[/url]
Link Posted: 11/5/2001 11:02:00 PM EDT
You guys have forgotten the USAS12 and the SPAS15 already!?! They have only been illegal here for 6 years how could you have forgotten so fast. USAS 12 had the biggest mags offered on a detatchable box mag shotgun. A 20 round drum, but even it was almost too big. The 10 round bannana type box was too long to fire the thing from prone position. There was also a 7 round box. It was selective fire- though there was a US legal semi-only version. The SPAS 15 was convertable two ways. It had a semi-full auto selector but could also be fired as a pump action. It had a 6 round magazine, sized so it would fit in a standard M16 mag pouch and so it could be fired comfortably from the prone position. Benelli trolled a box fed version of the M3, called the M3P, to rival the SPAS 15. But when the civilian market for such a weapon dried up, they never put it into production. With all these attempts the discovery was that it was really hard to get a box magazine for a 12 ga that would carry more rounds than the tube magazine due to clearance problems. Almost everyone wound up going to drums for payloads bigger than 7 rounds- and then you get into weight problems. 12ga ammo is hard to package, its just too big.
Link Posted: 11/5/2001 11:05:50 PM EDT
Don't forget the SPAS 15, magazine fed. I think that it used 3 1/2" all brass shells or something like that. Never seen one in person. And I remember seeing a drum mag for either a Benelli or Remington in the movie Alien Nation. It looked really cool.
Link Posted: 11/5/2001 11:08:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/5/2001 11:05:08 PM EDT by ArmdLbrl]
Originally Posted By operatorerror: Saiga makes a couple of automatics in 12/20g, and maybe .410, that use mags. EAA and Valtro market pump action 12g shotguns using mags. I think there are some aftermarket conversions out there. Does Knox sound familiar to anyone? Mags are pretty good idea for quick reloads, BUT a 30 rd single stack mag would be about 24" long and weigh a couple of pounds. There may also be a Federal restriction on mag capacity for shotguns. I do know that in California, you can no longer buy autoloading shotguns that accept magazines.
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You hit the real reason right there. Not enough people buy short barreled shotguns. If there were no NFA, you would see more of them. A Benelli M1 with a box mag, for example, could have its barrel shortened to 10 or 8 or even 6 inches and still be able to carry 3-5 rounds! Now THAT would be a defensive firearm, if you could hold onto it that is. And the real beauty would be that all you would have to do is change the barrel and stock, a matter of a minute at most, and you would have your hunting gun back!
Link Posted: 11/5/2001 11:18:16 PM EDT
I had a valtro. Wish I wouldn't have sold it. The idea of a magazine fed shotgun is a good one but it sure gets heavy and awkward real fast.
Link Posted: 11/6/2001 12:13:30 AM EDT
heres the russian AK combat shotgun, LEO/Military ONLY, it uses an External choke system [img]http://club.guns.ru/eng/sig12/low/sig122l.JPG[/img] heres the russian AK SPORTER shotgun, is OK for import into the US with 5rnd mags ONLY, also classified as a kalif AW. [img]http://club.guns.ru/eng/sig12/low/sig123l.JPG[/img] here is the .410 model in AK combat mode, with 10 round mag [img]http://club.guns.ru/images/saiga410k01-sm.jpg[/img] the magazines you see in the top 2 pics are 5 rnd 12ga mags, the russian military has 7 rnd mags, they exprimented with 10 rnd mags and found them to be un-reliable, and anything more than 7 rounds is toooo long. this is probably why you see most hi cap shotgun mags being the drum style (except for the USAS). also the 94 AW ban says "Civilan SEMI AUTO MAG FED SHOTGUNS CAN HOLD [b]NO MORE THAN 5 RNDS[/b]", so the guns imported are for "sporting" purposes. now if you have a pump action shotgun then anything goes. the 5rnd russian mags are about the same size as a M1A 20rnd mag of 308, so similar size mag= 20rnd of 308 'VS' 5rnds of 12 ga. which would you carry ?
Link Posted: 11/6/2001 12:18:37 AM EDT
BELT FED!![heavy]
Link Posted: 11/6/2001 12:28:27 AM EDT
although it isn't magazine-based, the Neostead looks interesting: [url]http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh08-e.htm[/url] 12+1 shells of 12 gauge ! -psywar
Link Posted: 11/6/2001 1:35:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By psywar: although it isn't magazine-based, the Neostead looks interesting: [url]http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh08-e.htm[/url] 12+1 shells of 12 gauge ! -psywar
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hmm, yeah that is kind of cool. M203 grenadiers would get the hang of it easy.
Link Posted: 11/6/2001 7:37:22 AM EDT
Found this: [url]http://www.longmountain.com/sweeper.htm[/url] The "streetsweeper" used to be a regular shotgun... Feds changed it to a DD. [b]streetsweeper[/b] [img]http://www.longmountain.com/photos/e10.jpg[/img] [b]striker]/b] [img]http://www.longmountain.com/photos/striker12e13.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 11/6/2001 7:44:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By m_bolan: try looking at this. at least it is cool looking. [url]http://www.knoxx.com/product/sidewinder.html[/url]
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[img]http://www.knoxx.com/images/product/New%20Images/sidewinder_cop.jpg[/img] Nuckles. [smash]
Link Posted: 11/6/2001 7:47:19 AM EDT
A conventional box magazine would be tough due to the rim on the shell. The cartridges don't stack up well.
Link Posted: 11/6/2001 8:37:06 AM EDT
Having held a USAS12 loaded with a 10rd magazine, I can say it's impractical because the sumbitch is heavy and off-balance, not to mention bulky and impossible to shoot prone. Magazine tubes are a much better solution, and evenly distribute weight along the rifle while keeping the dimensions down. God Bless Texas
Link Posted: 11/6/2001 8:53:04 AM EDT
I think you want one of these: [img]http://www.hkpro.com/image/cawscase.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.hkpro.com/image/cawscol.jpg[/img] The Heckler and Koch CAWS (Close Assault Weapons System) uses non-conventional 12 gauge ammo, but its mighty kickass. Kharn
Link Posted: 11/6/2001 2:05:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/6/2001 3:00:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sodie: Don't forget the SPAS 15, magazine fed. I think that it used 3 1/2" all brass shells or something like that. Never seen one in person. And I remember seeing a drum mag for either a Benelli or Remington in the movie Alien Nation. It looked really cool.
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I own a SPAS-15. Basically a mag fed 12 guage shotgun. It is a safe dweller more than anything. There was a 20 round drum made for it. I have been hunting for one for a long time!!!
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