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Posted: 10/20/2001 6:18:55 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 6:29:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/20/2001 6:48:08 PM EST by SPECTRE]
Originally Posted By kpel308: And please pass his personal information to the Judge Advocate General. Please see the following page for justification: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=62209&page=4[/url] Please ban me, if you feel that this is inappropriate. I do not.
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made it red [:D] *edited to add my disgust and agreement that this traitor and coward should be banned.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 6:51:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/20/2001 6:46:24 PM EST by kpel308]
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 6:58:43 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:06:56 PM EST
I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:08:55 PM EST
Originally Posted By Floater: I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit.
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Horseshit. He isn't "standing up for what he believes in," he's worried about saving his ass.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:10:32 PM EST
You can call him a chickenshit to your heart's content, but when did we start removing people whose politics we don't like? I could have sworn that was one of the things we objected to here. Or is that only when we agree with the people whose opinions are being supressed?
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:10:38 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:11:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By Floater: I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit.
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BULLSHIT !!! He signed on to get the bonus and the benefits and says he will refuse to fight if needed. Thats not standing up for something, it's being a greedy friggin COWARD !!! [-!-]
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:13:32 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:16:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/20/2001 7:11:40 PM EST by LARRYG]
Originally Posted By Floater: I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit.
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Excuse me, but he is in the military therefore he does NOT have the right to refuse to go to the front lines. If this is his belief, he should never have joined the military. This is not the same as a civilian refusing to serve, this is someone who joined the military which, guess what, means he accepted the risk of combat. Besides, refusal to go to war to punish those that killed 6000+ in one action is just plain cowardice. In many cases cowardice is covered by claiming to be a conscientious objector. It is bad enough in civilians, but completely unacceptable in those who have joined the military and, when combat looms, suddenly claim to be a CO. It's also a BREACH OF CONTRACT! Civilian cowards have the right to refuse to go, but military cowards do not have that right.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:18:06 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:18:48 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:23:10 PM EST
Originally Posted By Jon3: You can call him a chickenshit to your heart's content, but when did we start removing people whose politics we don't like? I could have sworn that was one of the things we objected to here. Or is that only when we agree with the people whose opinions are being supressed?
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Doesn't this sound all touchy feely and leftist! He signed a contract and swore and oath to follow orders. He is in the military, in case you missed that.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:23:15 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:23:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/20/2001 10:27:44 PM EST by sgtar15]
Originally Posted By Floater: I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit.
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I am not in the least surprised by this quote....since it came from the same guy who doesn't believe in the flag or the Pledge of Allegiance. But Floater was right about one word.....Hypocrat. Edited to add that I was not refering to kpec308 as being a hypocrate Sgtar15 [img]http://imagem.webphotos.iwon.com/1000017294/1000017294_1014200130930PM0.1798059.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:24:53 PM EST
We have to stop being so PC around here. The president said "your either with us or your with the terrorists" theres no in-between. Kramrd is not with us. BAN HIM AND ANY SYMPATHIZERS
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:26:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/20/2001 7:21:04 PM EST by kpel308]
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:27:05 PM EST
Not sure what to make of it all but its possible that he only objects to doing dentistry on the front. If I'm going to be at the front I'd prefer an M4 and a platoon around me to taking care of wounded a half mile from the action any fucking day. And it defies logic to be doing dentistry within shooting range of the enemy. I don't believe he's saying he's a coward but that there are risks and unnecessary risks and that this is one of the later. I wouldn't mind being a doc for a spec ops unit or such, though.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:31:43 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:33:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By drjarhead: Not sure what to make of it all but its possible that he only objects to doing dentistry on the front. If I'm going to be at the front I'd prefer an M4 and a platoon around me to taking care of wounded a half mile from the action any fucking day. And it defies logic to be doing dentistry within shooting range of the enemy. I don't believe he's saying he's a coward but that there are risks and unnecessary risks and that this is one of the later. I wouldn't mind being a doc for a spec ops unit or such, though.
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He himself said that dental augments medical at the front. In other words he would not be doing dentistry, but medical and he WOULD be needed close to the front.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:34:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Originally Posted By Floater: I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit.
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BULLSHIT !!! He signed on to get the bonus and the benefits and says he will refuse to fight if needed. Thats not standing up for something, it's being a greedy friggin COWARD !!! [-!-]
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HOWEVER, he still BELIEVES in NOT fighting. THEREBY standing up for what he believes in.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:34:48 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:35:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Originally Posted By Floater: I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit.
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I am not in the least surprised by this quote....since it came from the same guy who doesn't believe in the flag or the Pledge of Allegiance. But Floater was right about one word.....Hypocrat. Sgtar15 [img]http://imagem.webphotos.iwon.com/1000017294/1000017294_1014200130930PM0.1798059.jpg[/img]
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I believe in the flag, just I'll be DAMNED if I'm going to feel obligated to pledge allegiance to it, or prance around with one on my car. THAT is what I believe in.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:37:31 PM EST
Ban this fucker!! What a fucking piece of shit opportunist. Sure it looks good on paper, when it suits his needs. But when the SHTF he tries to rationalize being a coward, a traitor, and an all around douchebag. Sorry motherfucker, but you don't just sign a contract with Uncle Sam and then back out on it. Usually I'd never vote to ban someone. But this doesn't have to do with free speach. It has to do with whether we want someone around here who isn't a man of his word. Someone who could also lie to us here, and be a liablitly. I'm sorry, but I have a problem with people who don't live up to their word. And this guy obvioulsy doesn't.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:38:16 PM EST
I would have quoted it, but I can't find the post regarding my name. It is the name of a band that was around locally a few years ago.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:40:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By Floater:
Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Originally Posted By Floater: I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit.
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BULLSHIT !!! He signed on to get the bonus and the benefits and says he will refuse to fight if needed. Thats not standing up for something, it's being a greedy friggin COWARD !!! [-!-]
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HOWEVER, he still BELIEVES in NOT fighting. THEREBY standing up for what he believes in.
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Sorry floater, he took the money and benefits cuz he believed he could take them and not have to fullfil his military obligation. So he's a CHEAT and a COWARD !! Your circleing the bowl on this one floater and its time to flush......BAWHOOOOSH !!!!
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:40:46 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 7:43:03 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:00:47 PM EST
Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Originally Posted By Floater:
Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Originally Posted By Floater: I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit.
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BULLSHIT !!! He signed on to get the bonus and the benefits and says he will refuse to fight if needed. Thats not standing up for something, it's being a greedy friggin COWARD !!! [-!-]
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HOWEVER, he still BELIEVES in NOT fighting. THEREBY standing up for what he believes in.
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Sorry floater, he took the money and benefits cuz he believed he could take them and not have to fullfil his military obligation. So he's a CHEAT and a COWARD !! Your circleing the bowl on this one floater and its time to flush......BAWHOOOOSH !!!!
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He may be a cheat and a coward, but he is still STANDING UP FOR WHAT HE BELIVES IN! I am in NO WAY defending WHAT he believes in, I am however defending him in the fact that he IS standing up for what he believes in!!!!
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:04:07 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:07:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/20/2001 8:49:49 PM EST by rainman]
Floater--Kramrd: Your either with us or your with the terrorists. What part of that don't you understand? Ban them both.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:08:10 PM EST
Floater, if this is what he really believes in, he would have never joined the military. He is a coward. He signed up for the benefits and the free ride and when it came time to do his duty, he wants to bail. He is the hypocrite and he is a coward. This is not about what he believes in. He doesn't want to help wounded soldiers and that is the ultimate cowardice.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:08:22 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:08:45 PM EST
All I can say is I hope it ain't so.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:08:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/20/2001 8:03:29 PM EST by Floater]
Originally Posted By rainman: Floater--Kramrd: Your either with us or your with the terrorists. What part of that don't you understand? Ban then both.
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Holy jesus christ! We don't agree with the majority.. better ban us!!!! edit: looks like you need to do some more reading on this thread... then you'll see where I stand.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:11:11 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:12:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: floater you are still missing the point. He is a commisioned officer in the us army. He does not have any right to disobey an order for combat. Plain and simple. If lawfully ordered to go he has no choice.
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You are missing MY point. Frankly, I don't give a shit what he is ordered to do, does do, or doesn't want to do. He could be giving a horse a blow job, for all I care. If that is what he believes in doing, as long as he is not harming that horse, FINE BY ME. However, he obviously DOES believe in NOT going over to fight, and he is resisting it. THAT is the SOLE reason I am praising him! He IS standing up for what he believes in.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:13:28 PM EST
Yeah, read Floater's initial post again.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:13:33 PM EST
Floater, you still here? At least Kramrd has been shamed into not posting again. The bottom line is your backing a coward and your against the flag. I know why you picked the name Floater: Your like that turd that won't flush.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:22:29 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:23:35 PM EST
Hey floater, Janet reno believes in burning innocent women & children ALIVE!!! I suppose that's just fine with you too. [:(!][:(!][:(!] ColtShorty GOA KABA COA JPFO SAF NRA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them."
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:27:16 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:28:46 PM EST
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I'll keep this simple. He abided by the above rules, so he stays. You can ignore his future posts, troll on his posts etc., but I see no violation of board policy, and thus no reason to be banned. Am I on his side? No, I'm disappointed in his words, especially from a long time member of this board (and the old board). I wish he didn't feel the way he does, but I support his continued membership on this board, no matter what my personal opinion of him is now.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:30:20 PM EST
I don't want kramrd banned. I want him here so we can talk some sense into him.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:31:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By Floater:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: floater you are still missing the point. He is a commisioned officer in the us army. He does not have any right to disobey an order for combat. Plain and simple. If lawfully ordered to go he has no choice.
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You are missing MY point. Frankly, I don't give a shit what he is ordered to do, does do, or doesn't want to do. He could be giving a horse a blow job, for all I care. If that is what he believes in doing, as long as he is not harming that horse, FINE BY ME. However, he obviously DOES believe in NOT going over to fight, and he is resisting it. THAT is the SOLE reason I am praising him! He IS standing up for what he believes in.
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I REPEAT, he is NOT standing up for what he believes. If he really believes what he is saying, he would not have joined the military. He is just a COWARD, plain and simple. When you join the military, you do NOT have the right to 'stand up for what you believe'. You follow orders. That is part of being in the military. He just wanted the free ride and is now chickening out. He VOLUNTEERED for the Army, there is NO DRAFT! It's that SIMPLE!!! He is not being noble, he is being cowardly.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:32:52 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:34:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By HKocher:
The following is an evolving series or rules for conduct on the forums. All moderators feel free to modify and/or contribute to them. 6) Pure trolling. Either to piss someone off or simply for your personal enjoyment. If you're here to cause trouble, it will be a very short stay. Any of these violations will lead to your account being suspended. This is not the US Court Systems, you get one chance. -- GB
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I'll keep this simple. He abided by the above rules, so he stays. You can ignore his future posts, troll on his posts etc., but I see no violation of board policy, and thus no reason to be banned. Am I on his side? No, I'm disappointed in his words, especially from a long time member of this board (and the old board). I wish he didn't feel the way he does, but I support his continued membership on this board, no matter what my personal opinion of him is now.
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Maybe number 6 is what his original post is about. It worked.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:34:21 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:34:45 PM EST
Jesus Christ, pretty soon sounds like we'll have a group hug and forget about it all. Goddamn, wheres the patriotism?
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:40:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Originally Posted By Floater:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: floater you are still missing the point. He is a commisioned officer in the us army. He does not have any right to disobey an order for combat. Plain and simple. If lawfully ordered to go he has no choice.
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You are missing MY point. Frankly, I don't give a shit what he is ordered to do, does do, or doesn't want to do. He could be giving a horse a blow job, for all I care. If that is what he believes in doing, as long as he is not harming that horse, FINE BY ME. However, he obviously DOES believe in NOT going over to fight, and he is resisting it. THAT is the SOLE reason I am praising him! He IS standing up for what he believes in.
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I REPEAT, he is NOT standing up for what he believes. If he really believes what he is saying, he would not have joined the military. He is just a COWARD, plain and simple. When you join the military, you do NOT have the right to 'stand up for what you believe'. You follow orders. That is part of being in the military. He just wanted the free ride and is now chickening out. He VOLUNTEERED for the Army, there is NO DRAFT! It's that SIMPLE!!! He is not being noble, he is being cowardly.
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Beliefs can change, can they not?
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