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Posted: 10/17/2001 5:23:19 AM EDT
Saw an M16 airsoft full size on Ebay. Who has used an airsoft rifle (spring powered)? Are they a waste or are they fun?
Link Posted: 10/17/2001 5:32:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/17/2001 5:27:14 AM EDT by Nomad-FA2]
Dont waste your time with a spring powered one.ONLY buy a TOKYO MARUI brand AEG (automatic electric gun) these are completely realistic,and operate similarly to the real thing.Check out our website at www.floridaairsoft.com we have a picture page on it with pics from our past skirmishes.Check out the forums to,tell em FA-2 RECON sent ya.This is the most active airsoft wargame team in Florida,with monthly games,with large turnouts.We also hold official events once a year.
Link Posted: 10/17/2001 8:11:41 AM EDT
I own the electric one, and it is so much fun. It holds about 70 rds in the mag. Has select fire, and there are high performance parts you can add to them. I guess I get about 5 mags out of it before I have to change batteries, but mine are old out of rc cars. It is the vietnam style m-16 with the triangle shaped hand guards. The guards come off, and the butt plate that holds the clean kit in a real one holds the battery in this one. The triger guard will open for gloved hands, and the sights are adjustable. sort of. Elevation not windage. The do not break open though. The ejection port cover will close, and will open on the first shot. The charging handle can be pulled back, but doesn't do anything.
Link Posted: 10/17/2001 8:40:17 AM EDT
I want an FN P90 AEG. [img]http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/images/review%20images/FN%20P90/Marui%20P90%20Main.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 10/17/2001 11:39:50 AM EDT
I still have 3 TOKYO MARUI HKmp5K-PDW new in box for $425.00 each. [img]http://communities.msn.com/_Secure/0LQAgVPEOK0nsfxaBS9oF1HpVm5ulmofx3sNUK1XySsah­6zXc1bbmWggbs6ef9xTs966GYlXLbSY/air01.jpg[/img] [img]http://communities.msn.com/_Secure/0LQAzAPIOUklbJ2xeXWIEOjdfKVk2usDdofXady1uyESS­2h1GBQdImIH3dhrqfS9PXU6J7xDSpBc/air02.jpg[/img] Two or more $400.00 each and free S/H within the US. They retail for $550.00 many places.
Link Posted: 10/17/2001 11:51:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/17/2001 11:46:58 AM EDT by Marksman14]
I sell airsoft guns...ONLY go with TM AEG's or Airsoft Elite MP5's, which are based on the TM design, and in almost all respects, are better than TM. The people at the Buffalo Range shoot saw all of my airsoft equiptment, and EVERYONE thought they were awesome. Personally, I have been into airsoft for about 4 years now, and have sold everything paintball-related. Personally, I have an M4A1 with a metal body, OKO red dot sight, 10 magazines, tight barrel, fully decked out internals, and I have an MP5SD5 with metal body, and upgraded internals. I currently have 3 MP5's for sale if you are interested. I have them in SD6 configuration, and two of them In A4 configuration. I also have a MK23 SOCOM GBB for sale, and a KWJ USP Tactical with metal slide and barrel for sale. Both are threaded, and can accept supressors (airsoft/legal) Sorry for the plug, but Im looking to unload these ASAP. Email me for pricing if you are interested. Also, if any of you are interested in airsoft gaming in the IL area, please contact me. We use these guns in a similar fashion to paintball, and its sooo much more fun. Have a team of about 8 guys now, and its growing. Theres also another team in Rockford if that is closer than Barrington. Please get an MP5 or an M16 or some sort of AEG. (if not from me, please, get one from somewhere) They are more fun than you would imagine. MM14
Link Posted: 10/17/2001 11:56:05 AM EDT
I still don't get it. Why would anyone older than 12 want one? Enlighten me. I could probably buy a milled AK for the price of some of those. I certainly could buy a SAR-1 for those prices.
Link Posted: 10/17/2001 12:10:51 PM EDT
Get the battery power verison. It is the only full auto pea shooter without a tax stamp.
Link Posted: 10/17/2001 12:20:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Garmentless: I still don't get it. Why would anyone older than 12 want one? Enlighten me. I could probably buy a milled AK for the price of some of those. I certainly could buy a SAR-1 for those prices.
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Yeah, you make a point. But they are more fun than standard paintball guns, which can actually cost more than airsoft. The only "practical" reason to own one is this. You can do CBQ type training against live opponents and practice home sweeps against live intruders also armed with airsoft. Doing the same thing in your house with paintaball would be unwise. Other than that they are just toys for big kids who didn't have crap this cool when they were a kid. Some nights I sit out back with a bunch of soda cans on the fence and just amuse myself. I already had a full sized MP5 which I use for "training" against my buddies. I ended up with the 3 MP5K PDWs on a bad deal and I'm just trying to get out from under them. So if you ANYONE is interested in airsoft help me out. Letting these go at cost, email me at [url]covertop@hotmail.com[/url]
Link Posted: 10/17/2001 12:25:07 PM EDT
What sucks is the 18 rule. Now I'm 19 so that doesn't matter, but since these are just toys that shoot 6mm pieces of Plastic I don't see why they don't let kids have them. I used a spring-powered one when I was 7. We used to shoot at each other for fun. They were kinda cool at that age. AT close range they still sting though, but don't cause any harm.
Link Posted: 10/17/2001 12:45:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/17/2001 12:41:34 PM EDT by gus]
Hey Steyr - I was just checking around the net at Airsoft related sites, most places are selling the Tokyo Marui HKMP5K-PDW at around $250, sometimes less. Are there several grades of these? I'm not trying to flame your price, just thinking there may be good ones and better ones? I'm totally unknowledgeable about the Airsoft stuff. Edited `cause I can't even spell "Marui"
Link Posted: 10/17/2001 3:43:26 PM EDT
Well, the reason it is fun, is because we use airsoft in the SAME manner as paintball. It has the realism of incredible replica's, and you can use ALL of your firearm gear with it. Eagle vests, holsters, everything. Its like paintball for people who desire realism, and who dont like running around in purple spandex and plumbing nightmares. Dont joke about these guns, my M4A1 is currently shooting 450 FPS at about 950 shots a minute. Amazing what a PDI 190 wiht systema internals and a 10.8v'er will do. It really is one of the most fun things to do. Oh, and to defend Steyr, most places selling them for 250 are in Hong Kong. After spending 80 bucks on shipping and stuff, you can see how the price goes up, plus he includes some accessories. My MP5's are goin for 425, come in the A4 and SD6 versions, have FULL metal bodies (except for the lower, which is polymer) and come with upgraded gearboxes, metal bushings, and PDI 170% springs. In other words, they shoot about 350 FPS at about 930 shots a minute with a 9.6v'er, which these are equipt to use. They are TM's with AE metal parts and ICS boxes. In other words, a damn good deal. Again, sorry for the plug :-(
Link Posted: 10/17/2001 5:45:24 PM EDT
My only problem is paying $750 for an airsoft when I could buy the real thing for $800 - 900. Then again the Beretta 92s, MAC-11s, and Uzis are relatively well priced.
Link Posted: 10/17/2001 5:51:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/17/2001 5:51:32 PM EDT by Marksman14]
Who the hell is making you pay 750 dollars???? I can get most any TM AEG for under 400 stock...as can most any retailer. airsoft atlanta is a nice company to purchase from, as well as airsoft depot. www.airsoftatlanta.com www.airsoftdepot.net Oh, heres a tip on buying GBB's (the ones that function exactly like real pistols) KSC, Western Arms (WA), Tanaka (if you are good with valves), Tokyo Marui, Maruzen, KWJ. I think I got em all. Stay away from KWC, unless you get one of their *heavyweights*. Those arent bad at all.
Link Posted: 10/17/2001 5:58:27 PM EDT
I saw that price on E-Bay. [url]https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campId=5337559805&toolId=10001&customId=j0oi5033mj00zk8a001ni&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Faw-cgi%2FeBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1019934381[/url] BTW, By the real thing I mean an Home-Built M4gery. Then again a real Full-Auto. one would run about several thousand transferrable.
Link Posted: 10/17/2001 7:25:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gus: Hey Steyr - I was just checking around the net at Airsoft related sites, most places are selling the Tokyo Marui HKMP5K-PDW at around $250, sometimes less. Are there several grades of these? I'm not trying to flame your price, just thinking there may be good ones and better ones? I'm totally unknowledgeable about the Airsoft stuff. Edited `cause I can't even spell "Marui"
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Well first...from Marsman14
Oh, and to defend Steyr, most places selling them for 250 are in Hong Kong. After spending 80 bucks on shipping and stuff, you can see how the price goes up, plus he includes some accessories.
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And second, mine are complete including the battery, AC charger, etc. Many sell gun only - stripped. Also mine seem to have somehow escaped the blaze orange tip regulation, they are all black and not just repainted. In fact the barrel is actually a threaded 3 lug barrel w/ thread protector. BTW I'm no airsoft expert either. Surfing the airsoft sites I've seen the exact same package gor for $525.00-550.00 on average. I got them at dealer and am selling them for the same. Order 2 or more and I'll even take a small loss.
Link Posted: 10/17/2001 8:33:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gus: Hey Steyr - I was just checking around the net at Airsoft related sites, most places are selling the Tokyo Marui HKMP5K-PDW at around $250, sometimes less. Are there several grades of these? I'm not trying to flame your price, just thinking there may be good ones and better ones? I'm totally unknowledgeable about the Airsoft stuff. Gus- Edited `cause I can't even spell "Marui"
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I frequent Japan quite a bit and have a good friend in Tachikawa, Tokyo who is very much involved in airsoft and serves as an airsoft adviser. In Japan Tokyo Marui HK MP5-PDW's are ALWAYS in the $150-$190 range. TM M4 usually in the high $100's to low $200's. This is for a standard/non-upgraded gun. Many times prices do not include battery (~$20-$35), charger (standard slow charger=~$10). bb's are way cheap at 1,000 Yen (~$10) for ~3,000 rounds of .20 gram bb's, or 2,500 rounds of .23 g (what I use). Use .2g if you buy a non-upgraded AEG. Heavier weight bb's with increased velocity. With a myriad of upgrades, things can get expensive. i.e. my most expensive airsoft is a Killer Studio (well known custom shop in Tokyo that ony deals with customized airsoft guns) upgraded Steyr AUG which cost me just under $1,100 with EMS shipping ($80) from Japan.
Link Posted: 10/17/2001 8:34:29 PM EDT
BTW, You can easily remove the orange painted tip by dipping in finger nail polish remover with no damage to original finish.
Link Posted: 10/18/2001 3:56:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: And second, mine are complete including the battery, AC charger, etc. Many sell gun only - stripped. Also mine seem to have somehow escaped the blaze orange tip regulation, they are all black and not just repainted. In fact the barrel is actually a threaded 3 lug barrel w/ thread protector.
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After a little more checking around, you're right (not that I doubted you!) about the batteries and chargers not being included. The prices I saw were on eBay and at airsoftdepot.com. Like I said, I am a total Airsoft newbie. I think I'll stay away for now - I just know that I would have to have all the best upgrades, etc ($$$$). I can see how it could get really expensive really fast!! Nice toys though...
Link Posted: 10/18/2001 6:22:00 AM EDT
Classic Army all metal guns are also well made...
Link Posted: 10/18/2001 2:01:32 PM EDT
Yeah prices in Japan ROCK. Too bad only one store from japan will actually ship to the US. There prices are better than the Hong Kong overseas retailers, but still not as good as Japan street prices. Of course, they want to make a profit. Steyr's prices are nothing unusual. Infact, for the package, not a bad deal. Being in the business myself, I wouldnt buy it, but for a typical US deal, its right on target, and actually, at the low end price wise. If I didnt get dealer discounts, I'd prolly buy one too :-) Airsoft really is a ton of fun, I love getting people into it, which is why Im selling my guns with no profit margin. And my guns as well, are orange free ;-) Being able to use my M4A1 in *no disrespect meant towards people who have been in combat* a "combat" situation is actually alot of fun. You almost forget that they are airsoft guns, and you fight like you want to live to see tomorrow, and you get the biggest rush adrenaline possible. Paintball just never had the same effect on me, jumpsuits and tubes just dont cut it. Airsoft does, its really amazing. I would love to show all of you guys what these things are capable in person, but unfortunently, I can't do that. And to be honest, 90% of the guys I skirmish with are in the 20-30 year old range. Airsoft isnt only for the kiddies...
Link Posted: 10/18/2001 7:10:56 PM EDT
From a previous post by a member here. Airsoft: all of your questions answered - AR15.com Discussion Forums Author Topic: Airsoft: all of your questions answered SEAL Junior Member posted 12-31-2000 03:40 Hey all, My name is Scott and I am fairly new to these forums. I am however a veteran airsoft player, and when I ran a seach for airsoft, I found that some here know about it, own some, or are curious about them. Please note I am not a retailer, I am just trying to help you all out by clearing a few clouds. Airsoft rundown- Airsoft originated in Japan back in the 80's due to restrictions on guns in Japan. The result is VERY realistic replicas that often times cannot be distinguished from their "real steel" counterparts, until the trigger is pulled. AEG's (automatic electric guns)- these are airsoft guns which use a battery to power a motor, which turns 3 gears, which draws back a piston and lets it go, letting the air gathered in the cyliner expel a 6mm plastic projectile forward, at apx 285 fps (of course, this is for a stock gun) and at a fully automatic rate of fire, from 700-1000+ rounds per minute. However, costly modifications and the addition of a systema (aftermarket company) or PDI (aftermarket company) main spring such as the M160 or 300% spring can make these guns shoot at 500-550 fps, yet many airsofters feel that 450 fps is the maximum acceptable velocity. The main manufacturers of AEG's are Tokyo Marui (which is favored), TOP, and the recent additions of Airsoft Elite and Classic Army. Older manufacturers are Toytec, JAC, and a few others, whom no longer manufacture guns. Here is a list of the Tokyo Marui AEG's M-16 series: A1, A2, VN model, CAR 15, XM177E2, M4A1/RIS model, SR-16 MP5 Series- A4, A5, SD5, SD6, K, PDW G3 Series- A3, A4, SG-1, MC51, PSG1**semi auto only Others- M1A1, SIG 550/551, FAMAS F1/SV, Steyr AUG military/civlian, AK47/s, UZI Other Manufacturers of AEG's make guns such as; 4 versions of the M-60, MP5 series, M134 vulcan. New guns to be released- FN P90, FN M249
Link Posted: 10/18/2001 7:12:06 PM EDT
Please note that the airsoft Vulcan does infact fire at 6000 rounds per MINUTE, and there is only one known owner in the US AEG accessories/upgrades. Upgrades are a pain to talk about so I'll make it short. Unless you upgrade all the internals, your gun will not be as reliable/durable as it was stock. Of course, I am talking about if you "upgrade" the parts that affect velcocity, such as the main spring. Upgrading the spring and doing nothing else has the potential to kill your gun. Basically, what I am saying is dont buy one of these and put in the biggest spring available. IF your gun can even fire with it in, the first few shots will crack open your whole gun*** Systema and PDI are the 2 main upgrade part manufacturers. Of course, accessories for your AEG's can be found at most gunstores like scopes, lasers, carry handles (I have a bushmaster carry handle on my M4) and stuff like that. Specialty airsoft parts such as the tracer unit (explained below) autoloaders, and suppressors can be had at most airsoft retailers. GBB (gas blow-back): These guns are powered by HFC134a (1,1,1,2 tetrafluoroethane), or HFC22 chlorodifuloromethane with silicon additive for lubrication purposes, the latter being a stronger gas. GBB's are the most fun to shoot, and the most common form of GBB's is in the automatic pistol form. These guns work EXACTLY like real steel pistols. (gas and BB's placed in real size magazine, loaded into gun in the handle, slide racked, gas pushes BB forward, slide back and does produce recoil, hammer re-cocked/next round loaded, repeat until empty, slide locks back via slide lock lever) There are lesser expensive GBB's out there which are not as exact as some of the more high end pistols, which if ordered out of country run from 100-300 dollars. The most popular GBB makers are Western Arms, KSC, Maruzen, Tanaka, and Tokyo Marui. These guns come in the following forms: Beretta- M9, 92, centurion, brigadeir, 92 INOX, 92 elite, 84, Cougar, 93r (full auto) Colt- 1911A1, 1991 black or silver, MKIV series 70 and 80 Walther- P99 (suppressor avail) PPk (suppressor avail) H&K- MK23 SOCOM, USP .40, USP tacical, USP custom Strayer Voight INFINITY- 6", 5", 4.3", 3.9" in black or silver SIG- 220, 226, 228, 229, 230, 232, sigro 2340 GLOCK- 17, 26, 18c (full auto) Other- DE .50, CZ 75, browning HP, etc Tracer Unit- This item looks like a suppressor, and basically has a light in it which is activated when a BB passes through the clear tube. This does not suppress the gun, or affect velocity or accuracy, but it does provide a nice little "muzzle flash" or, when using special green tracer BB's, will give an AWESOME starwars affect...but it does give away your position. Spring Powered- inexpensive, not very powerful, nuff said. UNLESS you get a Tokyo Marui Spring Shotgun, Benelli M3 or SPAS 12, which fire 3 BB's per trigger pull and are very powerful and fun to shoot. And then the hi-end single shot sniper rifles...but those are a whole new topic.
Link Posted: 10/18/2001 7:12:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/18/2001 7:08:41 PM EDT by RipMeyer]
Those are the main types of airsoft guns. Basically, AEG's are all automatic assault rifles and SMG's, and *most* GBB's are pistols, and the only really fun springers are sniper rifles and shotguns. Airsoft guns are basically used for inexpensive yet very fun plinking, tactical training, and skirmishing in a similar fashion to paintball (which we laugh at when we all see orange and purple colored guns) yet we play by an honor system, because airsoft BB's leave no visible markings behind. Yet when skirmishing, we take all the needed precautions to prevent injury- eye and face protection, which is MANDANTORY. And because we play with such realistic replicas, we almost always carry our gear and spare magazines with us the same way that the SEAL's or the Rangers do. Many of the hardcore airsofters invest alot of time and money into thier gear and guns, for example, here is my total loadout: AEG- Knights Armament SR-16 M4. Base gun- TM M4A1. Additions- Systema KAC metal body, bushmaster carry handle, tight bore barrel, all systema upgraded internals, aimshot 6300 laser sight, 4x20 scope, dual magazine clamp, retractable 4 position stock. Soon to add replica M203 (fires like spas 12/M3), surefire replica M500A tactical light, C-more flat-top tactical sight. GBB- TM M9 (full metal, on order), USP .40 with threaded barrel and suppressor. Gear- Woodland BDU set, Eagle Industries tactical vest and thigh holster/pistol belt combo, M12 holster, Balaclava, ESS CBCAM goggles, ALTAMA combat boots, BDU cap, Motorola 250/w headset, camelbak hydration system, 6 spare magazines for the M4, 2 for the M9, 1 for the USP, pistol lanyard for M9, nomex flight gloves. Can you say special forces? Cause when you play airsoft, you sure can feel like a SEAL, or SWAT, or whatever youre into. LAWS- all airsoft guns come with orange paint on the muzzles, and with trademarks puttied over. Yes, these guns are so exact that they even have identical trademarks on them, liscensed of course in japan. However, it is possible to reverse them both, which is not a good idea because it is a felony to do so. (nobody does it...really) Basically, airsoft is a great sport, and I hope this answers some questions for you all. US retailers that I recommend: www.airsoftdepot.net www.midwestairsoft.com Hong Kong retailers I recommend: www.redwolfairsoft.com www.dentrinity.com www.wargameclub.com These are all legit retailers with the best prices around, and with great customer service and product selection, and they are the best around. Have fun, and please do it safely. Take care all, Scott SEAL Junior Member posted 12-31-2000 03:47 also, I forgot to add, great sources of airsoft information can be had at the site and forums at www.airsoftzone.com
Link Posted: 10/18/2001 7:14:09 PM EDT
You can register as a member there for free and you can view a forum that has over 30,000 useful posts. However, if you do, please search for your questions first, or your post will be deleted. Many new people come and post questions that have been answered a few times, so if you go, please be forwarned. The best forum for information that is not as widely used anymore (server problems so we couldnt post, and everyone moved to airsoftzone, but then it got fixed but nobody posts there anymore) is none other than www.airsoftguns.com This has TONS of information on it, and will be very helpful to you all. BTW, my alias at all of these forums is "SEAL" so you can identify me should you go. If you have any questions for me, please send them to airsoft@avenew.com and I will reply ASAP
Link Posted: 10/18/2001 7:42:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/18/2001 7:38:47 PM EDT by Marksman14]
Hey, you found my old post!!!! Jeez I wrote that a long ass time ago. Glad its finally getting some publicity, you guys didnt seem into as much back then. Oh, btw, go search for SEAL over at the boards. Im memeber 5 thousand something. You'll see that the email addy's match. Edited because my email addy is actually posted at the end of that post I wrote so long ago :-) MM14
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