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Posted: 10/10/2001 9:21:41 AM EDT
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Quoted: Mostly, they were [red]Catholic[/red] or Muslim in origin, and have as much relation to Biblical Christianity as Judaism does. Oh no...not you too? Catholics aren't Christians? Are you a big Chick tract fan, garandman? |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 9:28:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: g-man I agree. Major, Chaingun I agree as well. I don't want us to look weak. I don't think we should back down now. But my point was that If the positions were reversed and instead of egypt (in the past) jordan, syria; what if Canada and Mexico were attacking us with the same ferver, do you honestly believe that they (israel) would do squat for us? -CK CK, when you are going to go and do something for someone cause it's the right thing to do, you do it precisely [i][b]because it is the right thing to do[/b][/i], not because of anything they might do for you. If I see you stuck in a burning car after a crash, I don't ask myself, "Well, would this guy pull [i]me[/i] out?" No, I'll try and save you, cause that is the right thing to do. And that is exactly the problem that all moral relativists try and ignore. Real Truth is real Truth, period. Some things are always right, like helping your neighbor when he is in trouble. Some things,like murder, are always wrong. When the relativists try and apply conditional truth to a situation, it becomes a slippery snake that defies holding. So is it "right" to help protect Israel from terrorists only if they would help us, and wrong to help if they wouldn't? What if Iran or Iraq had a sudden change in government, and after a bloody civil war the new government renounced all their old policies and asked for help for their populations? Would that be OK? What if we helped their people regardless of what the new government policy was, simply because we were able to releive their suffering? Is that now wrong? Sure, we have helped many who have turned their backs on us, or worse, now do us harm. But in so doing, we have also helped many nations, like England, who now stand solidly by our side. BTW, send me an email. I lost your address and I hadn't heard from you in a while. You were gonna send me a book, if I remember correctly. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 9:37:33 AM EDT
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OK, let me see if I understand this Afghani situation.
The US gives $ and hardware to BinLaden and the Muj in order for them to accomplish a goal that they desperatly want to attain. Mission finally accomplished. The US renegs on further aid, and goes home, leaving the Muj and Osama better off than when we butted in. And they're angry enough about this to kill[b]6,000[/b] innocent Americans? Anybody else see something missing here, or is it just me? |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 9:54:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: Well, I guess then that since you also chew on bones, you must be a dog.[}:D] Hey, baby - YOUR logic, NOT mine. Not just any dog though, I'm an INFIDEL DOG! |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 9:55:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: OK, let me see if I understand this Afghani situation. The US gives $ and hardware to BinLaden and the Muj in order for them to accomplish a goal that they desperatly want to attain. Mission finally accomplished. The US renegs on further aid, and goes home, leaving the Muj and Osama better off than when we butted in. And they're angry enough about this to kill[b]6,000[/b] innocent Americans? Anybody else see something missing here, or is it just me? You left out some PRETTY BIG details. USA turns from supporting bin Laden, to supporting bin Laden's milennium-old enemy -Israel. USA provides munitions and ornance used to kill Arabs. USA sides with israel, and condemns much of Palestianian world. USA bombs Iraq for now more than five years. So much so that it soesn't even make the news anymore. You know, Saddam Insane, YET ANOTHER creation of the USA. What's the big deal about a coupla dead Arabs PER BOMBING anyway??? Its no wonder they think of us aas turncoats. TWICE NOW we have created these demigods, and then turned on them. We are our own worst enemy, creating the people who hate us. Simply put, our foreign policy is STUPID. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 9:56:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Well, I guess then that since you also chew on bones, you must be a dog.[}:D] Hey, baby - YOUR logic, NOT mine. Not just any dog though, I'm an INFIDEL DOG! Hey, what a great T-shirt that would make! I'm gonna see if I can get a plain white shirt imprinted with "INFIDEL" in block caps. How cool would that be? |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 9:56:48 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Well, I guess then that since you also chew on bones, you must be a dog.[}:D] Hey, baby - YOUR logic, NOT mine. Not just any dog though, I'm an INFIDEL DOG! [:D] |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:17:56 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Mostly, they were [red]Catholic[/red] or Muslim in origin, and have as much relation to Biblical Christianity as Judaism does. Oh no...not you too? Catholics aren't Christians? Are you a big Chick tract fan, garandman? No comment? |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:22:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Mostly, they were [red]Catholic[/red] or Muslim in origin, and have as much relation to Biblical Christianity as Judaism does. Oh no...not you too? Catholics aren't Christians? Are you a big Chick tract fan, garandman? No comment? I can't and won't answer for Garandman, but do you really want to know the answer? Or do you want to hear it from Garandman? |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:24:44 AM EDT
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Here is the problem with out alliance with Israel.
They are supposedly our "ally" and "right arm" in the middle east. Problem is, everytime some crap starts we form a coalition with certain arab countries and as a result CANNOT USE ISRAEL FOR ANYTHING. So we arm them, pump millions of dollars into that country and then tell them..."OK theres a war, quick DO NOTHING." Then there is the addistional problem od Israel being a religiously motivated state that is no more sane, stable or humanitarian than their crazy ass neighbors. As it stands Israel is just cuasing us fallout. We should cut our ties and turn them loose. Who cares what they do in the middle east. It is crazy people shooting crazy people over there. Kinda like Los Angeles. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:27:24 AM EDT
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I remember seeing that hilarious Chick comic, where he claimed that Catholics were in league with Satan, and that the Pope was the anti-Christ.
The best part, was when they showed a picture of a priest conducting a mass. Apparently the picture of the priest wasn't "evil" looking enough, so they colored his hair black, with a Dracula-style widow's peak, and gave him a big mustache. Boy, If one's argument is so weak that you have to resort to that...... Garandman, cerberus you guys don't believe the Pope is the Anti-Christ, do you? Say it ain't so...[whacko][whacko] |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:27:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: I can't and won't answer for Garandman, but do you really want to know the answer? Or do you want to hear it from Garandman? Hey, anybody's welcome to take a whack at it. I was just surprised to hear it from him. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:30:15 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Mostly, they were [red]Catholic[/red] or Muslim in origin, and have as much relation to Biblical Christianity as Judaism does. Oh no...not you too? Catholics aren't Christians? Are you a big Chick tract fan, garandman? OOpppss.. missed this one. [BD] Whether or not a Catholic is a Christian is simply a matter of whether or not he has received Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. I don't portend to know a man's heart in this matter, and certainly could not make any blanket statements. Catholics DO have a number of doctrinal issues that to my reading conflict with Scripture - the treatment of Mary, praying to saints, Trans-substantiation, the adressing of another man as "Father" (prohibited by Christ), the ritual nature of the Mass and repetitious prayers (also prohibited in Scripture) to name a few. that said, I know quite a few Catholics that are VERY nice people. My whole family on my father's side is Catholic (at least in name) My reference was more aimed at the medieval and pre-medieval catholic church that in addition to the above doctrinal issues prohibited the distribution of God's Word the Bible, sold "indulgences" (essentially SELLING salvation) and the whole Inquisition thing was kind of unseemly as well. Oh, your question was about Chick tracts. Nah, don't have much use for them. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:36:18 AM EDT
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Garandman, allow me to reply to your last post:
Let's see, although Israel is biggest single foreign aid recipient, isn't it true that we contribute MORE to arab/muslim countries, in aggregate, than to Israel? We didn't turn from Bin Laden and rush to support Israel, we supported both for a while, and dropped Bin Laden, while continuing to support Israel. We also supply ordnance, etc to Arabs, some of our best, in fact. Our bombing of Iraq could be halted by Saddam's keeping his written agreements, i.e., not to produce WMD, and allowing inspections. AS PER WRITTEN AGREEMENT. The US didn't create Saddam, he was firmly in charge of the B'aath party in Iraq long before we assisted him in the Iran-Iraq war. BTW, do you [i]really[/i] think there would be a Palestinian Authority on the West Bank without US pressure on Israel? Don't we get any points for humanitarian aid in Bosnia, Somalia, and other arab/muslim places? I wouldn't say US Foreign Policy is stupid. A better description would be poorly concieved and inconsistently applied. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:36:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: Here is the problem with out alliance with Israel. Then there is the addistional problem od Israel being a religiously motivated state that is no more sane, stable or humanitarian than their crazy ass neighbors. As it stands Israel is just cuasing us fallout. We should cut our ties and turn them loose. Who cares what they do in the middle east. It is crazy people shooting crazy people over there. Kinda like Los Angeles. I agree with some of what you said but have to take exception to these two. Israel is anything [i][b]but[/i][/b] a religiously motivated state. Sure, they pay lip service to the Hassids and Orthodox Jews just to keep the Old Guard happy, but the Government is totally secular and actually quite socialist in the way it operates. Same holds true for Israeli society. They will all "observe" the Jewish holidays in the same way churches are filled on Christmas and Easter, but the Jewish faith doesn't drive their daily life. Our support of Israel has caused us lots of trouble, but consider the alternatives. From a purely secular standpoint, if we didn't support Israel, who would? No one. And no one [i][b]really[/i][/b] messes with Israel like they did in '67 and '73 [i][b]because[/i][/b] that means messing with us. So if we go away, then the current forces opposing Israel become emboldened, make the Big Push to eliminate Israel once and for all. The Israelis have vowed "never again" and they mean it, so as they are being overrun they take the nuclear option and it goes downhill from there. Not a good place to be. For all the trouble they cause, a secure State of Israel is the greatest stabilizing factor in the Middle East. From a Scriptural standpoint, well, we won't even go there for now... |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:41:18 AM EDT
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Quoted: Garandman, cerberus you guys don't believe the Pope is the Anti-Christ, do you? Say it ain't so...[whacko][whacko] Won't speak for cerebrus, but.... No, I don't think the Pope is the antiChrist. he's a man, just like you and me. Either a sinner in need of salvation in Jesus Christ, or a born-again child of God needing to learn to be more like Christ. BTW, that ALSO means the Pope is NOT "inspired" or "infallible" in matters pertaining to the Word of God, as he and the Catholic Church claim he is. The Pope being the antiChrist is kinda a spin off doctrine generally held by those who beleive that Israel is the chosen people of God. Not to over-generalize. within Christian circles, they are known as Dispensationalists. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:43:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: My reference was more aimed at the medieval and pre-medieval catholic church that in addition to the above doctrinal issues prohibited the distribution of God's Word the Bible, sold "indulgences" (essentially SELLING salvation) and the whole Inquisition thing was kind of unseemly as well. Hey, you're right on there. But what organized group that's been around a thousand years or so doesn't have a few episodes in it's history that it deeply regrets? I'm sure the Protestant faith isn't proud of that witch-burning era a few hundred years ago, or of its members throwing molotov cocktails and curses at small schoolchildren walking through their Belfast neighborhood...a few weeks ago. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:43:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: Garandman, cerberus you guys don't believe the Pope is the Anti-Christ, do you? Say it ain't so...[whacko][whacko] Garandman answered the main part, and did better than I would have, so I'll let it rest there. And no, I don't believe the Pope is the Anti-christ. I will say what I said to you in another thread, and Garandman got it here, too. When discussing spiritual issues, the thing that really matters is one's personal relationship with God. The doctrines and dogmas of organized religions often cloud the picture and inject controversies that are not really relevant and don't need to be there. Do you believe in God, have you accepted the salvation offered through Jesus Christ, and do you live guided by the Spirit? That is all that matters, the rest is just fodder for argument on boards like this. Added: Yes, I'm sure that every organized body of any kind, with any amount of history, has it's share of funny uncles and black sheep. It's just a matter of being discerning enough to sort through that stuff and stay with the truth. Kinda hard to get in trouble that way, ya know? |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:48:01 AM EDT
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I'm just wondering, did we ever get permission from Vichy France to overfly their country on the way to bombing Nazi Germany?
Did we ever get authorization from the Dutch and Belgian puppet-governments for these same overflights? Then why do we need to get anyone's permission to overfly any of these countries now? We haven't learned a whole lot in the last 55 years or so, now have we? I say if we're going to be called [b]the Great Satan[/b], if folks are gonna treat us as if we're [b]the Great Satan[/b], then ain't it about time we started acting like the friggin [size=4][b]Great Satan?[/b][/size=4] Where do you want it first? In the head or in the ass? Eric The(JustToBe[u]Polite[/u]AboutIt!)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:48:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: I wouldn't say US Foreign Policy is stupid. A better description would be poorly concieved and inconsistently applied. ROTFLOL!!!!!!! There's a difference between "stupid" and "poorly concieved and inconsistently applied." ????? You say "tomato." I say "tomoto." [:D] Whatever we call it, I suspect it just cost us 5K lives, at least in part. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:52:42 AM EDT
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Oslimea and his crew have never before had a thing to say about Israel. All of a sudden now, when they see a coalition containing a bunch of Arab states forming, they jump on the 'from the river to the sea' bandwagon. What Oslimebag and his nutbags want is the US out of Arabia and all of Arabia under the rule of the imams, just like the happy-go-lucky dudes in Af-soon to be gone-istan.
Our support for Israel is a handy hook they can hang their turban on, but it's not why they did what they did. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:52:51 AM EDT
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We created bin Laden. The USA did. THEN we turned from supporting him to supporting his enemy, the Israelis. So, what are you saying here??? Are we forever condemned to shifting alliances that may create teh very person who will kill 5,000 of our citizens??? What do you mean we created bin laden and THEN turned to israel? We've always supported israel, and we were doing so years before the russians were even invading afghanistan. At the time, supporting israel and supporting bin laden were not conflicting goals. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:52:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'm sure the Protestant faith isn't proud of that witch-burning era a few hundred years ago, or of its members throwing molotov cocktails and curses at small schoolchildren walking through their Belfast neighborhood...a few weeks ago. You make EXACTLY the right point - ALOT of religious people on BOTH sides USING and ABUSING religion to do things that God hates. All COMPLEELY in contradiction to God's Word and His nature and charachter. The moral?? Don't blame God for people who CLAIM to be religious, doing things that are in disobedience to Him. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:56:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: Very Simply if Isreal were to fall, the book of Revelations would likely play out. And, that is the last thing we want to see. The fall of Isreal will in short bring about Armogeddon. Lets not forget the town of Armageddon is in Isreal. I don't think there's any certainty of that. But why are the events of the book of revelation the last thing you want to see occur? They're what I'm looking forward to most. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:56:19 AM EDT
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Quoted: I say if we're going to be called [b]the Great Satan[/b], if folks are gonna treat us as if we're [b]the Great Satan[/b], then ain't it about time we started acting like the friggin [size=4][b]Great Satan?[/b][/size=4] :)] Here, here!!!!! Instead of the three white stripes like we had in WWII, lets paint a "[}:D]" on the wings of our planes!!!!! |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:57:37 AM EDT
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garandman ...again I must disagree. Our foreign policy is not responsible in any way for the loss of 5k lives. The killers and their supporters are responsible. We cannot shape our policies to conform to any religious fanatics' view of the world, out of fear that they might hurt us. (please don't say that Israel=religious fanatics, that would be silly)
If our foreign policy failed, it is in that they weren't scared of the consequences of their actions. That can be remedied. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 10:58:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: The moral?? Don't blame God for people who CLAIM to be religious, doing things that are in disobedience to Him. Oh, I don't blame God. But I will heap scorn and revulsion on the religion that doesn't repudiate and scorn the members of its body who carry out these deeds. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:00:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: Question, I thought Christ was Jewish before he died and his followers branded him Christian? Just a question? You're joking right? You do realize that the word Christian MEANS "follower of Christ", so how was Jesus a Christian? |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:05:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: You left out some PRETTY BIG details. USA turns from supporting bin Laden, to supporting bin Laden's milennium-old enemy -Israel. We did not turn from bin laden to support Israel! Get that into your head, we already WERE supporting Israel, as the goals did not conflict at that time. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:13:13 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Question, I thought Christ was Jewish before he died and his followers branded him Christian? Just a question? You're joking right? You do realize that the word Christian MEANS "follower of Christ", so how was Jesus a Christian? Other than slightly clumsy wording, that is what he is saying. Read it again. Jesus was the Firstborn of Joseph, of the line of David (the Jewish line of Kings). Historically speaking, it all depends on which family of the line of Levi (the priests) was ruling at the time, Jesus was either born out of wedlock (during the VERY strict betrothal period) or legit (because of the strictness of the betrothal period), and therefore the heir to the (earthly) kingdom. His main earthly "crime" was overstepping his bounds, and preaching the Word to ALL people. This was the the exclusive realm of the Levites. So, yes, Jesus was Jewish. Understand, this secular bit of history in NO WAY affects the Truth of the Bible. It would also help to remember that there were/are MANY sects of Judaism (just as there are today in Christianity and Islam, each THOROUGHLY convinced that they are "right" to the exclusion of all others). Don Out |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:13:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: You left out some PRETTY BIG details. USA turns from supporting bin Laden, to supporting bin Laden's milennium-old enemy -Israel. We did not turn from bin laden to support Israel! Get that into your head, we already WERE supporting Israel, as the goals did not conflict at that time. That's a PRETTY NARROW distinction - turning from supporting BOTH to only supporting one. Either way, fact is we left Usama high and dry. While most every enemy around him was armed to the teeth, with US ordnance. If someone did the same to you, you'd be pissed. Don't expect Usama to be the "bigger man" than you are. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:16:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: Jesus was the Firstborn of Joseph, Don Out Jesus was NOT the son of Joseph. If He was, then this whole discussion is moot, becasue he claimed to be the Son of God. If He was the son of Joseph, then he lied about that, and everything else He said is irrelevant, and can be dismissed as the word of a liar. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:22:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You left out some PRETTY BIG details. USA turns from supporting bin Laden, to supporting bin Laden's milennium-old enemy -Israel. We did not turn from bin laden to support Israel! Get that into your head, we already WERE supporting Israel, as the goals did not conflict at that time. That's a PRETTY NARROW distinction - turning from supporting BOTH to only supporting one. Either way, fact is we left Usama high and dry. While most every enemy around him was armed to the teeth, with US ordnance. If someone did the same to you, you'd be pissed. Don't expect Usama to be the "bigger man" than you are. You say "Narrow", I say "Exact" Since Usama and the Muj were left better off (in other words, eventually in charge of Afghanistan) than when they started, what's their beef? They got exactly what they wanted. If the US is the "Great Satan" what does that make anyone who accepts our aid? |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:23:48 AM EDT
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...whiny Muslim bitches?
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:26:14 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Jesus was the Firstborn of Joseph, Don Out Jesus was NOT the son of Joseph. If He was, then this whole discussion is moot, becasue he claimed to be the Son of God. If He was the son of Joseph, then he lied about that, and everything else He said is irrelevant, and can be dismissed as the word of a liar. Garandman, I was speaking from an outside, legalistic/historical (non-Biblical) standpoint. If you would please re-read the last 2 sentences of my post, you would not have written this. Respectfully, Don |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:30:13 AM EDT
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Quoted: You say "Narrow", I say "Exact" Since Usama and the Muj were left better off (in other words, eventually in charge of Afghanistan) than when they started, what's their beef? Well, if being "exact" is your goal, then your pretty BAD at it. [}:D] After a war, NO ONE is better off. Usama had expended lives and property doing the bidding of the US in fighting off the Soviet threat. To claim he was "better off" is to be completely myopic as to the true nature of war. It was in this state that the US abandoned Usama, essentially re-directing the $$$ he used to get to his natural enemy, Israel, so Israel could afford shiny new US missiles to be used in killing Arabs. If you're trying to spin this off as the US being the benefactor of Usama, they you crazier than he is. Usama was the pawn of the US. (Sorry for the inflammatory rhetoric. Call it a charachter flaw of mine) |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:35:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: If someone did the same to you, you'd be pissed. Don't expect Usama to be the "bigger man" than you are. But I wouldn't kill 7000 people that had nothing to do with it. I suppose you think the attack is perfectly justified. Why don't you just move over there with all your camel-loving friends. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:36:03 AM EDT
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Wrong, Garandman, the winner of a war, who achieves his goals is surely better off than the dead opposition.
You're upset by the Military aid we give Israel, but say nothing about the even greater amount we gove to many Arab/muslim countries, such as Egypt, Saudi, Jordan, etc. If you want to continue this discussion in a civil manner, fine. Otherwise so long. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:38:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: Garandman, I was speaking from an outside, legalistic/historical (non-Biblical) standpoint. If you would please re-read the last 2 sentences of my post, you would not have written this. Respectfully, Don Don- I don't think there is any way you can look at Biblical truth in a non-Biblical way. Any no matter HOW you look at it, Jesus was NOT the son of Joseph. if He were, he would have caried the sin nature that Joseph had, and would NOT have been the sinless sacrifice that he was. If you are in agreement with this, then my apologies for jumping the gun. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:41:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: But I wouldn't kill 7000 people that had nothing to do with it. I suppose you think the attack is perfectly justified. Why don't you just move over there with all your camel-loving friends. Why don't you put words in my mouth??? Wait a minute - you already did. My opinion as to the muderous, completely unjustifiable nature of Usama's act of war on the US, for which he MUST die, and we MUST eradicate all those who think as he does, is WELL documented in this forum. Typically, when the ability to rationally debate a subject is gone, one will resort to your tactics above. i guess that means you and I are done here. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:43:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: You're upset by the Military aid we give Israel, but say nothing about the even greater amount we gove to many Arab/muslim countries, such as Egypt, Saudi, Jordan, etc. I have condemned our support of Arab nations over and over agasin in this forum. EVEN in THIS thread. Please read more carefully. As I've said before, what I want is a completely neutral postion with respect to BOTH Israel and the Arab states. Let the animals kill each other off. God willing. (to quote from a recent movie) |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:47:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Garandman, I was speaking from an outside, legalistic/historical (non-Biblical) standpoint. If you would please re-read the last 2 sentences of my post, you would not have written this. Respectfully, Don Don- I don't think there is any way you can look at Biblical truth in a non-Biblical way. Any no matter HOW you look at it, Jesus was NOT the son of Joseph. if He were, he would have caried the sin nature that Joseph had, and would NOT have been the sinless sacrifice that he was. If you are in agreement with this, then my apologies for jumping the gun. You jumped it- what I stated has nothing to do with my Faith and belief, just observation/ study of classical culture and long hours of digging through Roman and Hebrew documents, (insert language) to English dictionary at hand. I can and do separate my Faith and belief from my studies of how others perceived events that at the time, were not history. Later, Bro'. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:49:29 AM EDT
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garandman, Why be neutral? Neutrality is for moral relativists and cowards. Why not stand up for what is right, and condemn what is wrong? If we do this with only words, and not deeds, our words will mean nothing. We're the good guys. We must act. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:50:59 AM EDT
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So, both the Muslims and Jews are [i]ANIMALS[/i]?
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:53:21 AM EDT
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Quoted: garandman, Why be neutral? Neutrality is for moral relativists and cowards. Why not stand up for what is right, and condemn what is wrong? If we do this with only words, and not deeds, our words will mean nothing. We're the good guys. We must act. I totally agree with you Major. What's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong, all the time. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:57:05 AM EDT
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Circumstances do change, however.
If your ultimate aim is victory, you must be able to accept this fact. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 11:59:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: garandman, Why be neutral? Neutrality is for moral relativists and cowards. Why not stand up for what is right, and condemn what is wrong? . Neutrality in a fight that is NONE of our business IS right. Interference in a family squabble IS wrong. (Arabs and Jews are BOTH sons of Abraham) Comparatively, either simlutaneously or alternating contributing financial aid and increasing the military might of two nations / religions / races that are at war with each other IS wrong. MORALLY wrong. Its called adding fuel to the fire. its like giving a loaded gun to an angry drunk man who just had someone urinate on his Porche. its wrong. WRONG. And what is STUPID is to, after having armed BOTH sides to the teeth, try to step in like teh great Peace Negotiator. Should we be surprised that we got a bloody nose??? At the VERY least, we need to pick a freakin' side, and stick with it. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 12:01:13 PM EDT
[#48]
Quoted: So, both the Muslims and Jews are [i]ANIMALS[/i]? They been killing each other for 1,000 years. what would YOU call them???? That is NOT "human." In 1,000 years, civilized people could find a better way. Same is true of the Serbs and Croats. |
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Posted: 10/10/2001 12:04:29 PM EDT
[#49]
The lesson to be learned from the 11th is that what was and is occurring in the Middle East is very much our business. It affects us. It sure as hell affected us in NYC. If we ignore it we can't influence an outcome that is in our favor.
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Posted: 10/10/2001 12:11:27 PM EDT
[#50]
Quoted: Quoted: So, both the Muslims and Jews are [i]ANIMALS[/i]? They been killing each other for 1,000 years. what would YOU call them???? That is NOT "human." In 1,000 years, civilized people could find a better way. Same is true of the Serbs and Croats. Garandman, I would call them human beings. You are so far out on this, I will not continue ths discussion with you. May God help you, please. I will say a prayer for you, and I kid you not. RAF out. |
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