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Posted: 10/9/2001 10:40:12 AM EDT
Dos anyone believe that Anthrax Or Other Bio-weapons are Legit Threats Or Not? Give me your opinions and GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! -Andrea
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 10:42:46 AM EDT
You bet they are a legit threat... and defenitely more so than our government wants us to know... perhaps for good reason... My folks live near Boca Raton, FL... if a teenage intern at that media center had access to anthrax, then we are really in for a treat... and yes, G-D BLESS AMERICA...
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 10:47:49 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 10:55:25 AM EDT
Anyone scared bout this possibility?? Anyone "preparing" for th worst a.k.a moving to a more remote location etc.. I'm not, but I am wondering on other people's reaction with this threat..
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 10:58:56 AM EDT
Did anyone see last night's press conference on the Anthrax/Fla. deal on Fox News??? The FN commentators were right on- WTF was the point of evading hard answers, and spending the entire time congratulating each other on how well they were cooperating...
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 11:04:03 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 11:04:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 11H1P: Did anyone see last night's press conference on the Anthrax/Fla. deal on Fox News??? The FN commentators were right on- WTF was the point of evading hard answers, and spending the entire time congratulating each other on how well they were cooperating...
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There definitely is more to it than they are letting on about.. Makes ya wonder.. How bad IS it??[thinking][soapbox]
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 11:04:42 AM EDT
Obviously, agents like Anthrax are a threat. However, the wildcard here, just like any weapon of mass destruction, is delivery. The Anthrax in FL had to be handled close enough to actually breathe in the spores. It is not the type of item that lends itself to widespread harm. There are far more volatile means that would be employed in that regard. However, if it is a true "terrorist" act, meant only to put people in fear, then yes, the fear of opening your mail would have widespread effect. My theory on the FL scare is this: The office was a tabloid newspaper. They piss off a wide variety of people every day. That's how they sell papers. The story I heard was that a letter was received at the paper with comments about Jennifer Lopez, and it had some type of strange residue on it. It wouldn't be a stretch if some chem lab nerd who had a crush on her read something about her in the tabloid and was protecting her honor. Remember the Reagan/Jodie Foster connection.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 11:09:59 AM EDT
You bet your ass it's a threat. Those three people down in Florida WERE victims of a bio-warefare attack. The likelihood that three people all who work together suddenly coming down with Anthrax by sheer chance alone, is so astronomical as to be absurd. That stuff about the ex-employee is pure B.S. We ARE under bio-warfare attack at this exact moment; just read the drudge report. THIS IS NOT A DRILL; WAKE UP - DEFEND YOURSELF.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 11:18:59 AM EDT
Bio warfare on a large scale will be either state sponsored, or state assisted. Anthrax, Smallpox, and other bio threats are difficult to produce in quanity. They are even more difficult to deliver in quanity. Chemical warfare is about the same. Not as difficult to produce. But difficult to disperse in amounts to cause widespread problems. The Soviet Army planned for 3 tons of chemical munitions per kilometer of frontage they were going to break through. This is of course higher than is necessary for soft, civilian type targets. But it does take a shitload of chemicals to effectively deny (persistant agents) an area, or kill/disable. (non-persistent agents). I am not afraid, just concerned and aware of my surroundings.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 11:33:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 11:40:07 AM EDT
DK-Prof - "Plague, is not too contagious" - Dude you must be smokin some serious $hit. What planet are you on right now. Read a history book about all the times the Black Death swept through Europe. Read about what small pox did to the American Indians. I can see why you could care less; you're stoned beyond belief. Party-on dude.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 11:40:14 AM EDT
remember this the next time youre at a gun show and the guy toward the back is selling instructions for growing and distributing anthrax annd other WMDs. I wonder if he sold any to terrorists? guess we'll never know.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 11:54:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Sitting Bull: You bet your ass it's a threat. Those three people down in Florida WERE victims of a bio-warefare attack. The likelihood that three people all who work together suddenly coming down with Anthrax by sheer chance alone, is so astronomical as to be absurd. That stuff about the ex-employee is pure B.S. We ARE under bio-warfare attack at this exact moment; just read the drudge report. THIS IS NOT A DRILL; WAKE UP - DEFEND YOURSELF.
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The great part of this, if this is ever proved to be the work of an individual wacko, you'll never accept it. You'll say it's a government conspiracy to cover up the real threat. You'll denounce anyone who disagrees with you as a pawn. Miss cleo told me so.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 12:37:45 PM EDT
Moving to a remote area not only will not save you, but in fact may be more dangerous. For any bio type weapon to be effective it needs to go airborn. There are vaccinations/treatment for known agents such as small pox and anthrax. Taking yourself away from society will just make it harder for you to get the proper treatment in time. As far as Chem warfare, houses make great Chem warfare suits.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 12:50:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sitting Bull: DK-Prof - "Plague, is not too contagious" - Dude you must be smokin some serious $hit. What planet are you on right now. Read a history book about all the times the Black Death swept through Europe. Read about what small pox did to the American Indians. I can see why you could care less; you're stoned beyond belief. Party-on dude.
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Full-of-Bull: Plague is spread from rats to humans by fleas and is not contagious. Neither is anthrax. Maybe you were smoking something back in history class. Smallpox was introduced to the American Indians by the settlers, and in one case deliberately by the government, via infected blankets. Party on, yourself.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 12:57:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Malpaso: Obviously, agents like Anthrax are a threat. However, the wildcard here, just like any weapon of mass destruction, is delivery. The Anthrax in FL had to be handled close enough to actually breathe in the spores. It is not the type of item that lends itself to widespread harm. There are far more volatile means that would be employed in that regard. However, if it is a true "terrorist" act, meant only to put people in fear, then yes, the fear of opening your mail would have widespread effect. My theory on the FL scare is this: The office was a tabloid newspaper. They piss off a wide variety of people every day. That's how they sell papers. The story I heard was that a letter was received at the paper with comments about Jennifer Lopez, and it had some type of strange residue on it. It wouldn't be a stretch if some chem lab nerd who had a crush on her read something about her in the tabloid and was protecting her honor. Remember the Reagan/Jodie Foster connection.
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CONSIDER;.....the wierdos coming out of the woodwork now......IF this was not a terrorist threat possibility, would the press glorify it as much as they have?....[dracula]
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 1:08:16 PM EDT
It appears to be somewhat difficult to get anthrax distributed. The guys in Japan that conducted the nerve gas attack had tried earlier with anthrax, and that was a bust. In the building in FL it appears that there were three infections (so far) in a building with a few hundred people. Some genetically engineered superflu might be a different matter. The spanish flu killed something like 40 million people, more than WWI, over the course of a couple years.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 1:33:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mcgredo: Some genetically engineered superflu might be a different matter. The spanish flu killed something like 40 million people, more than WWI, over the course of a couple years.
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Don't forget Smallpox. There is only vaccination. Once you get it your screwed most likely. Vaccinations don't last longer than 10-15 years?? Some have had one as a child.... but it won't help today.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 2:33:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RamblinWreck:
Originally Posted By Sitting Bull: DK-Prof - "Plague, is not too contagious" - Dude you must be smokin some serious $hit. What planet are you on right now. Read a history book about all the times the Black Death swept through Europe. Read about what small pox did to the American Indians. I can see why you could care less; you're stoned beyond belief. Party-on dude.
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Full-of-Bull: Plague is spread from rats to humans by fleas and is not contagious. Neither is anthrax. Maybe you were smoking something back in history class. Smallpox was introduced to the American Indians by the settlers, and in one case deliberately by the government, via infected blankets. Party on, yourself.
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At least one of the 11 states considered "The Southwest" has a plague outbreak every summer amongst its rodent population. Most of "cow country" in the midwest has Anthrax in the ground. Anthrax may work as a way to assinate someone you dont like but as a WMD you would need a lot of it. A military could use it, but a small group of people couldnt deliver enough. A crop duster couldnt deliver enough. A B52 or Bear could- which is why the Russians were working on it in the 80's. And they were more concerned with using it against Afganistan than against NATO This acutally makes it one of the better bio-weapons from a military standpoint. Since it behaves in a predictable manner.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 2:44:49 PM EDT
So I take it alot of you are becoming paranoid.. Well, it is a scary thing, but do you people really think anyone could produce stuff in mass quantity??(It is HIGHLY unlikely!) It is a threat, but a relatively small one. The wackos in afganistan have threatened us with more airplane attacks(something they can keep dreaming about because security is WAY too tight right now.. PLUS, they actually believe that they can rally their own muslim brethern together, when the northern alliance amongst their own people wants to kill the Taliban! [-!-!-][puke]People, like Hitler, they are hoping to wipe us out and have a "dominant race". Hitler didn't succeed and he was much more powerful than these jerks are! They are happy we are getting scared because of possible bio-warfare. That is exactly what they want to weaken us! Don't let them do it! Stand tall and stand proud.. Just some opinions...[soapbox]
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 2:46:13 PM EDT
You should worry about Anthrax and Plague as you do the threat of a grenade attack; if it goes off near you, you're screwed. Small Pox is the scary one, and I'm not scared. Fuck them.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 2:49:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/9/2001 2:44:15 PM EDT by ArmdLbrl]
FBI: No Sign of Crime in Anthrax Cases By Sue Pleming Reuters WASHINGTON (Oct.9) - The FBI said on Tuesday it had not found any evidence so far of criminal intent in its investigation in Florida of two cases of anthrax, a rare disease that could be used as a biological weapon. Teams of FBI agents have been searching the building belonging to a supermarket tabloid group, American Media Inc., in Boca Raton, Florida, where two workers were exposed to anthrax. One of the workers, a photo editor, died last Friday. "So far, we have found no criminal intent in the case," said an FBI spokeswoman. "We are being extremely vigilant and checking everything possible, but there is no evidence yet of any wrongdoing," she added. Authorities have sealed off the Boca Raton headquarters of American Media Inc. after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta said the bacterium that causes anthrax might be present in the building. Coming so soon after the Sept. 11 attacks, investigators are looking into how the men were exposed to anthrax and whether there is any link to terrorism. Some of the hijackers who rammed planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11 are believed to have frequented flight schools near the home of the photo editor and asked questions about crop-dusting aircraft, which could, theoretically, be used in an anthrax attack. Attorney General John Ashcroft said on Monday he took the anthrax cases in Florida very seriously but that he did not have enough information to say whether they were linked to the Sept. 11 attacks or to terrorism. But he said the investigation could at some point become a "clear, criminal investigation." Justice Department spokeswoman Mindy Tucker described the inquiry as a criminal investigation and said that was a precautionary step to enable the FBI to gather the necessary evidence if charges were ever filed. News of the anthrax cases in Florida came as the United States was on high alert for possible attacks by the al Qaeda network associated with Saudi-born exile Osama bin Laden, blamed for last month's attacks that killed more than 5,500 people. In Manassas, Virginia, health officials said a man had been tested for anthrax late on Monday and that preliminary results indicated he did not have the rare disease. The man, a computer specialist in his 40s, told emergency room staff he worked in a building affiliated with American Media Inc. Health officials have sought to calm fears over anthrax, pointing out it is not contagious and cannot be passed from person to person. Reuters 13:00 10-09-01
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So it seems that the report of a 3rd Anthrax case is false.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 2:49:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Major-Murphy: Small Pox is the scary one, and I'm not scared. Fuck them.
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Small Pox??? Hasn't there not been a reported case of it since the 1970's??? If so, then there really isn't too much to worry about..
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 2:51:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Major-Murphy: You should worry about Anthrax and Plague as you do the threat of a grenade attack; if it goes off near you, you're screwed. Small Pox is the scary one, and I'm not scared. Fuck them.
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Gotta agree here. Also, Blonde_BombShell, anyone with a lot of land and a large herd of cows CAN incubate large quantities of anthrax (the large area of land would be to hide the fact that your herd of cattle are dying off).
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 2:52:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blonde_BombShell:
Originally Posted By Major-Murphy: Small Pox is the scary one, and I'm not scared. Fuck them.
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Small Pox??? Hasn't there not been a reported case of it since the 1970's??? If so, then there really isn't too much to worry about..
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And the last reported case of pulmonary (airborne) anthrax was in 1976...
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 2:54:29 PM EDT
Come on now... Do you really think that terrorists are going to be THAT stupid as to dump stuff on us.. If so, then we would retaliate, retaliate by nuking their a**es! They know we can do it too!
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 2:55:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blonde_BombShell:
Originally Posted By Major-Murphy: Small Pox is the scary one, and I'm not scared. Fuck them.
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Small Pox??? Hasn't there not been a reported case of it since the 1970's??? If so, then there really isn't too much to worry about..
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No wild case, no. But a few people have caught it from the vaccine itself. Just like the handful of polio cases in the last couple decades have been traced to the OPV. There was strong debate about a plan by the CDC to destroy the last remaining samples of the live smallpox virus. Which so far as known exists only in a few viles in Atlanta and some place in Russia.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 3:04:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blonde_BombShell: Come on now... Do you really think that terrorists are going to be THAT stupid as to dump stuff on us.. If so, then we would retaliate, retaliate by nuking their a**es! They know we can do it too!
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They want to scare us mainly, they want us to feel and react and respond like the Jews do in Izzyland.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 3:06:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Smeghead: They want to scare us mainly, they want us to feel and react and respond like the Jews do in Izzyland.
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My thoughts exactly!
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 3:50:04 PM EDT
No, the fanatic want to kill as many Americans and Infidels(Jews) as possible, but usually in a big way; ie car bomb, suicide bomb strapped to chest, Plane hitting Major building. This doesn't fit their M.O., but I wouldn't count it out.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 4:09:58 PM EDT
well I do not know about the threat level but their is some heavy stocking up on drugs in the last week. got in many ,many thousands of injectible doses for chemical attack and today received 44,000 doses of anitiboitics for anthrax. can't say where I work but you can take a good guess of who I work for. hey it most likely will never happen in a large scale so don't worry about it. just support our gi's out there who are going to put their lives on the line. god bless america!!!!!
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 4:13:54 PM EDT
The only way anthrax is a weapon is as an aerosol.Complex and hard to accomplish.Only two countries are known to be capable.Afghanistan is not one of them. Many people die of pulmonary anthrax each year in the US and it is not reported because it is not tested for.That will now change. cpermd
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 5:53:13 PM EDT
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